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Old 2013-08-04, 05:31   Link #9481
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Um, hi? Long time lurker here, I just recently decided to join up in the forum. You guys really have some fun discussions! XD

Just finished reading the latest chapter. For me it was kinda "meh". A bit of good comedy, but to sum it up, Hata sensei is stalling for more time as usual.

by the way Ruka has quite the imagination
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Old 2013-08-04, 07:26   Link #9482
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Hayate is obviously the real enemy, Ruka's just avoiding the issue by trying to change the setting.

Okay chapter, but yeah it's just setup for the next one. Typical for the chapter before a double issue.

Prior to this chapter though I hadn't realized that the scene where Nagi stumbles unto Hayate and Ruka was supposed to be after the concert. So next chapter is the important one, I suppose.
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Old 2013-08-04, 10:32   Link #9483
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This was a great chapter. Hayate might have his good qualities but he's also EVVILLLL I say!
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Old 2013-08-04, 13:25   Link #9484
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this chapter was kinda boring, but Ruka does have a silly imagination
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Old 2013-08-04, 13:38   Link #9485
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But I like seeing the lengths Hayate will go to for her, and I love seeing her few moments of personal growth (or at least, temporary un-selfishness) whenever he really needs her. I don't want to see them "together", but I'd hate to see them part ways.
Really? What kind of "growth" do you see?

That's one of the things I find sad, in fact. Whenever there is a chance to actually give Nagi a trace of growth, there is a relapse into her old NEET ways to make another joke about it. Nagi is essentially exactly the same she was at the beginning of the show. There is neither growth nor progress. None whatsoever. Zero.

But hey - if you seriously enjoy what's going on, more power to you. To be honest, I found the entire long Nagi-manga arc incredibly tepid and boring. And seeing yet another fairly likable character (Ruka) tossed into the reset grinder doesn't even really bother me anymore. Which indicates that my personal investment into the show has hit rock bottom.

*shrug*

Well, enjoy.
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Old 2013-08-04, 15:50   Link #9486
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Really? What kind of "growth" do you see?

That's one of the things I find sad, in fact. Whenever there is a chance to actually give Nagi a trace of growth, there is a relapse into her old NEET ways to make another joke about it. Nagi is essentially exactly the same she was at the beginning of the show. There is neither growth nor progress. None whatsoever. Zero.
Nonsense. At the beginning of the manga, Nagi had no friends except Isumi and Sakuya, spent money like water, could barely be coaxed outside the mansion, was getting into constant tsunder-ish misunderstandings with Hayate, basically never went to school and was incapable of working hard or taking constructive criticism of her manga.

Now she runs an apartment house for a boatload of girls she's good friends and frequently does stuff with, knows how to live on a budget, understands Hayate like no one else, (See the "you did it again, didn't you?" chapter) expresses herself to him freely (See, for instance, her little sitdown and talk with him about the Ruka situation.) and basically fights with him never while Hina is still punching and running.

She still doesn't go to school much but makes an effort and feels bad about it now and again. Furthermore she just got done staying up all night to finish her manuscript after consulting with several people to storyboard and get ideas, ect after an extended trip that involved among other things walking several miles to the point of exhaustion and being able to reach out and ask strangers for help, a stark change from her previous self that was too proud to even admit being lost and couldn't run 50 meters without collapsing. Now days Nagi is as likely to organize a rescue mission for Hayate as the other way around.

Yes, she's still a NEET and still backslides frequently for comedic purposes but claiming she's had zero character growth is absurd. Character growth and becoming a completely different person are not the same thing.
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Old 2013-08-04, 16:30   Link #9487
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Nonsense. At the beginning of the manga, Nagi had no friends except Isumi and Sakuya, spent money like water, could barely be coaxed outside the mansion, was getting into constant tsunder-ish misunderstandings with Hayate, basically never went to school and was incapable of working hard or taking constructive criticism of her manga.
Most of her friends weren't won by herself, but by association with Hayate. She STILL needs to be coaxed out of the mansion, she DID go to school before (though less regularly, it seems), and she is still incapable of working hard. Her manga skills had not improved either - with the exception of the deus ex machina revelation of the second latest chapter which was not prompted by anything but "the author wills it so".

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Now she runs an apartment house for a boatload of girls she's good friends and frequently does stuff with, knows how to live on a budget, understands Hayate like no one else, (See the "you did it again, didn't you?" chapter) expresses herself to him freely (See, for instance, her little sitdown and talk with him about the Ruka situation.) and basically fights with him never while Hina is still punching and running.
She doesn't run _zip_ (Maria and Hayate do that), she still has no clue about a budget - just doesn't have unlimited funds anymore - and every single girl in the story in a position to help Hayate had "you did it again, didn't you" chapters, too.

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Yes, she's still a NEET and still backslides frequently for comedic purposes but claiming she's had zero character growth is absurd. Character growth and becoming a completely different person are not the same thing.
Excuse me. If you seriously see her wanton actions in the manga arc as _growth_, be my guest. The way I see it, she did exactly the same she has always done: Flailing around pointlessly, making huge boastful declarations and then realizing her inability to make good on them.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not mad at Nagi, I'm mad at Hata. What he is doing is BS, in my opinion. Yes, every once in a while, Nagi does something which could possibly be construed as "progress", or "growth". And then, 1-2 chapters later, he undoes it again by making Nagi relapse into the same old silly naive childish NEET behavior to score another cheap joke. No consistency. No lasting development. Just a rehash of the same jokes.

I guess Anh_Minh may be right. This story isn't about romance or development after all, it's about the unwavering loyalty of Hayate towards Nagi. Fine then. That simplifies my emotional disattachment. Ask yourself how your interest in this show over the course of the last 150 chapters has developed (that's since Greece). If you can honestly claim that it hasn't significantly waned since them - congrats.
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Old 2013-08-04, 16:49   Link #9488
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Most of her friends weren't won by herself, but by association with Hayate. .
Kayura. Chiharu. Ruka.

I could go point for point on the rest, but it's a waste of time for both of us.

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I guess Anh_Minh may be right. This story isn't about romance or development after all, it's about the unwavering loyalty of Hayate towards Nagi. Fine then. That simplifies my emotional disattachment. Ask yourself how your interest in this show over the course of the last 150 chapters has developed (that's since Greece). If you can honestly claim that it hasn't significantly waned since them - congrats.
Still a fan, sorry!

Seriously, I get that you're mad about the direction the manga has gone. It would be awfully hard to miss with you ranting about it the last three years. That doesn't make Mentar the Every-Fan everyone needs to justify themselves too for the crime of still enjoying a comic book.

If it brings you that much grief, just move on already. There's never been any shortage of romcom manga in the world.
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Old 2013-08-04, 17:05   Link #9489
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Seriously, I get that you're mad about the direction the manga has gone. It would be awfully hard to miss with you ranting about it the last three years. That doesn't make Mentar the Every-Fan everyone needs to justify themselves too for the crime of still enjoying a comic book.

If it brings you that much grief, just move on already. There's never been any shortage of romcom manga in the world.
Point taken. It's the kind of advice I tend to give others, too, so I guess there's divine justice in having them tossed back at me now ^_^; ... and I admit that you are right.

I'd only ask you to understand something. Over all the years I invested countless hours into this show. I've been fansubbing the first two seasons and the first movie. I've been scouring the net for early spoilers. I remember the energy around the show back then - before the poor Manglobe Movie heralded the decline. And now, I can only see how "Cuties" didn't even manage to create more than 5-6 entries per episode.

Old love dies hard, and I hold strong resentment towards Hata for the predictable results of his decisions. Feels like visiting the grave of a former lover. A feeling of incredulity and loss.

Anyway, I shouldn't burden the remaining fans with this negativity. Sorry. I doubt I'll drop by much anymore.

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Old 2013-08-04, 17:18   Link #9490
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I guess Anh_Minh may be right. This story isn't about romance or development after all, it's about the unwavering loyalty of Hayate towards Nagi. Fine then. That simplifies my emotional disattachment. Ask yourself how your interest in this show over the course of the last 150 chapters has developed (that's since Greece). If you can honestly claim that it hasn't significantly waned since them - congrats.
I never liked the Greece arc all that much. My interest waned since way before that. Since... volume 5 or so. But it's been holding steady at "pretty entertaining" ever since.

(I guess the difference between us is that I've always been a lot more casual about HnG. I never loved it so much it disappointed me. I just... like it a lot.)
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Old 2013-08-04, 17:27   Link #9491
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Is the story still set in ~2003?
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Old 2013-08-04, 17:31   Link #9492
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Is the story still set in ~2003?
Yes.

Though Hayate has included stuff like PS3s which didn't exist back then. He broke the 4th wall and didn't care.
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Old 2013-08-04, 17:35   Link #9493
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Yes.

Though Hayate has included stuff like PS3s which didn't exist back then. He broke the 4th wall and didn't care.
yea I would like to get an iPhone in that time
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Old 2013-08-04, 17:49   Link #9494
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Is the story still set in ~2003?
This chapter show the time of the manga:

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It's 2005, not 2003. (hence, the story started at December 2004)

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Old 2013-08-04, 17:58   Link #9495
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I think the problem is it's hard to find a less appealing character than Nagi. Athena/Luka/Hina= best girl(s). Izumi/Maria don't get featured much (anymore) but are still miles ahead. Even Isumi/Ayumu are more endearing to me than the 'main heroine'.

I feel basically everyone else is either better written and/or better developed. Nagi is just relentlessly dragged along because the author prefers her. When all you have is a hammer...
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Old 2013-08-04, 18:26   Link #9496
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Nagi's a very unusual heroine. In a lot of ways she's intentionally designed to be different then you'd expect from a stock romantic comedy. And that's fine with me, but different strokes and all.

Still, I think you underestimate how many people do like Nagi, casually or otherwise. She's consistently been the third favorite character (by pretty narrow margins) for pretty much the entirety of the manga. That's actually not bad at all, considering. People like rooting for underdogs and the main heroine in most romcoms has it rough, comparitively.

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Old 2013-08-04, 19:02   Link #9497
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I'm pretty fond of Nagi as a human character. Athena and Maria are the only attractive romantic options though. Ruka has gone down in my estimations since jumping into the romantic game so aggressively, so I admit to becoming slightly disengaged with the manga recently. I generally do appreciate Nagi's manga plotline though, so the story is keeping me engaged on that level.

Although romance was presented as a fairly cogent theme up to the Greece arc, I've actually got zero interest in HtG as a harem series. The sincerity behind the romantic themes of the series has really fallen lately (when was that last time I saw Ayumu...?) which is why I have no appreciation for Ruka being shoehorned into it. As far as I'm concerned, the story explicitly put aside romance (via Athena, i.e. Hayate's perfect romantic candidate) to focus on more general/universal themes (like wealth, misfortune, motivation, the creative act, and sustaining a livelihood -- all wrapped up in a fundamental/central concept, the 'power of royalty'), so it's those themes (which are much more tied to Nagi than Hayate right now) which I'm currently interested in. Ruka was much more interesting to me when she was struggling between debt and her dream/desire to be a manga author than now as she's chasing after Hayate.
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Old 2013-08-04, 20:17   Link #9498
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I've never really had much fondness for Nagi. For me she seemed to just be the doorway for Hayate to the world he's in right now. She's never been any type of romantic contender in my eyes, she's more like a little sister, no matter how much Hata tries to push them together. The real contenders for me are Hina, Ruka, and Izumi. Hina and Ruka are both already honest about their feelings, but they contrast each other in their methods of trying to show their feelings to Hayate. Hina is shy about her feelings and can't really admit it to him, while Ruka no matter how shy she is about it goes out in full force. Ruka is also my favorite because she and Hayate are so alike and compatible, she really reminds me of Athena in the sense that she is really open to Hayate with her feelings, and they are both called Goddesses. But Izumi really has the purest love for Hayate, plus she's the second girl that fell in love with Hayate, in-manga-timeline wise. She would be perfect for Hayate if she just didn't let the fun get to her head to often. I mean looking back at the chapter where Hayate came to her house and Izumi wore that wedding dress, she really is an angel to ease Hayate's hardships. She's really the most sensible of the idiot trio, unfortunately she just goes along with pretty much everything the other two do. But deep in my heart the person I really want Hayate to get together with is Chiharu.

The series in general has been on and off for me with the arcs. Mostly off with the Nagi arcs. I really hope Hata gets a blow to the head and suddenly realizes that Nagi is not suited to be with Hayate, and therefore put more concentration on the other girls!
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Old 2013-08-05, 14:58   Link #9499
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I've just recently marathoned reading the manga from essentially the Greece arc recently. I've always been more of a anime guy over a manga guy, but with the recent drop in quality and Cuties not really delivering personally, I decided to go back to the manga (I'd already read up until the Greece arc, more or less).

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As for the latest chapter, I like it. I like Luka and seeing her arc play out has been sweet. The comedy's fine with me too, gives her more personality.
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Old 2013-08-05, 15:54   Link #9500
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I honestly don't get the appeal of either Hinagiku or Athena. Hina is a fairly typical (and annoying) tsundere, and despite the massive screentime brought on by her popularity she really doesn't seem to have developed that much or gotten anywhere with Hayate. And Athena... the way she treats Hayate and what she taught him about relationships back at the Royal Garden just seems distasteful and kind of creepy to me. :/

I've liked the current plot up until the last couple chapters (which're basically just exaggerating Ruka's personality for the lulz...). Hopefully it'll get back on track soon. I'm interested to see what happens with the manga competition now, how Nagi reacts to the scene she walked in on, etc.
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