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Old 2008-04-17, 14:08   Link #301
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Well considering area 11 is a major fuel depot for the Empire it would be a crippling blow if they lost it
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Old 2008-04-17, 14:12   Link #302
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Here's some complete speculation somethings. I noticed that Russia is part of the EU. Now historically in anime Russia as always been grouped with China because of their communist ties.

From what we know of the Chinese Union they still have their Imperial monarchy in place. So we could probably assume that communism never took hold. From the looks of it, I wouldn't be surprised if socialism never rose to power in Russia either. With their tsar-ship (i have no idea what to call it) in place I believe they had more ties to Europe than to Asia.

Interestingly, having Russia be part of the EU gives them the ability to wage war on the Empire on 2 fronts.
And from the way their hair and clothes styles are, the Mongols and Manuchurians may never had taken control of China either.

Meaning that one of the Dynasties prior to the Song may have prevailed into this century.
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Old 2008-04-17, 14:13   Link #303
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The Chinese technically operate under a communist system alongside the Imperial Court themes presented as well though...
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Old 2008-04-17, 14:14   Link #304
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And from the way their hair and clothes styles are, the Mongols and Manuchurians may never had taken control of China either.

Meaning that one of the Dynasties prior to the Song may have prevailed into this century.
Hmm... I don't believe we've ever explored the Chinese Federation this much yet. Although of course that's to be expected. We've had no interaction with them save for that fairly useless episode 20, which gave us no real information on them.

Time to put my research hat back on.

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The Chinese technically operate under a communist system alongside the Imperial Court themes presented as well though...
Do we know that for sure? The only indications of the governmental structure are the Empress and the usurpation of her power by the eunuchs right?
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Old 2008-04-17, 15:19   Link #305
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Europe got its hands full defending on its Western borders, I don't think it can spare the men for an assault from the East side.
And is it really a good idea to launch an attack from Siberia of all places? I am sure Britannia didn't attack that side because they (smartly) feared the cold, but just because it is a good defensive platform doesn't make it a good place to start an offensive.
Especially since EU doesn't have even Vladivostok (it's still chinese here), so unless a significative global warming, what they've got of Pacific coasts is frozen in ice half a year.
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Old 2008-04-17, 15:24   Link #306
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Here's some complete speculation somethings. I noticed that Russia is part of the EU. Now historically in anime Russia as always been grouped with China because of their communist ties.

From what we know of the Chinese Union they still have their Imperial monarchy in place. So we could probably assume that communism never took hold. From the looks of it, I wouldn't be surprised if socialism never rose to power in Russia either. With their tsar-ship (i have no idea what to call it) in place I believe they had more ties to Europe than to Asia.
A very good point, on how the absence of Communism would have kept Russia and the Eastern European nations closer to Europe (as it has, for most of history) than to China. The theory is compatible with the earlier spat of discussion on Western Europe's development after Napoleon, the Germans, etc. However, Russia would have had to change their government from monarchy to some form of democracy via some way besides the Bolshevik Revolution in order to be integrate into the EU.
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Old 2008-04-17, 15:25   Link #307
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A very good point, on how the absence of Communism would have kept Russia and the Eastern European nations closer to Europe (as it has, for most of history) than to China. The theory is compatible with the earlier spat of discussion on Western Europe's development after Napoleon, the Germans, etc. However, Russia would have had to change their government from monarchy to some form of democracy via some way besides the Bolshevik Revolution in order to be integrate into the EU.
Or they could just have been conquered by Napoleon (or somebody in his position) in a more successful campaign against Russia. Much simpler really. Stamps out communism too.
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Old 2008-04-17, 15:29   Link #308
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Do we know that for sure? The only indications of the governmental structure are the Empress and the usurpation of her power by the eunuchs right?
Pretty strong indicators. The Emperor went on about how the Chinese tried to make all their citizens equal in his speech during episode 6, and the Newtype previews for the Chinese Federation stated that their system was communist even though they were ruled by the Enunuchs and had an Empress... I know, it's weird
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Pretty strong indicators. The Emperor went on about how the Chinese tried to make all their citizens equal in his speech during episode 6, and the Newtype previews for the Chinese Federation was that their system was communist even though they were ruled by the enunuchs and had an Empress... I know, it's weird
I forgot about the emperor's speech (shame on me), but how the hell is rule by the empress and the eunuchs "communism"? It's sounds a lot like an "I am more equal than thou" system.
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Old 2008-04-17, 15:32   Link #310
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Having equality doesn't always mean Communism. An Americanlike constitution is also another suggestion... Though I don't see anime these days without a ruthless Chinese nation. I have to give note to Communism XDD
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Old 2008-04-17, 15:33   Link #311
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I forgot about the emperor's speech (shame on me), but how the hell is this "communism"? It's sounds a lot like a "I am more equal than thou" system.
When has there ever been a true communist government? In every incarnation of a 'communist' government there was always an upper echelon of government officials who reaped the benefits of their positions despite proclaiming the equality of all while forcing the masses to toil away under their socialist policies designed to secure their hold on power. I don't blame Li for wanting to start a coup against these guys, honestly >_>
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Old 2008-04-17, 15:33   Link #312
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I forgot about the emperor's speech (shame on me), but how the hell is rule by the empress and the eunuchs "communism"? It's sounds a lot like an "I am more equal than thou" system.
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Old 2008-04-17, 15:34   Link #313
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A very good point, on how the absence of Communism would have kept Russia and the Eastern European nations closer to Europe (as it has, for most of history) than to China. The theory is compatible with the earlier spat of discussion on Western Europe's development after Napoleon, the Germans, etc. However, Russia would have had to change their government from monarchy to some form of democracy via some way besides the Bolshevik Revolution in order to be integrate into the EU.
Well, Napoleon isn't above crowning himself emperor, so an united Europe doesn't have to abhor monarchies. I am sure a constitutional monarchy can join EU with a little adjustment. I can't help but wonder if Wakamoto's speech during Clovis' funeral concerning Britannia's rivals were wildly exaggerated. After all, EU and China were being insulted, and when you insult someone it can often happen that you exaggerate things. The EU in Code Geass may not be entirely ruled by Democracy, and the Code Geass China political system doesn't even resemble communism at all. Wakamoto was probably embellishing political policies when he made that speech.
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Old 2008-04-17, 15:43   Link #314
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Having equality doesn't always mean Communism. An Americanlike constitution is also another suggestion... Though I don't see anime these days without a ruthless Chinese nation. I have to give note to Communism XDD
Heh. We'll see how the Chinese behave here in Geass. I look forward to Li.

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When has there ever been a true communist government? In every incarnation of a 'communist' government there was always an upper echelon of government officials who reaped the benefits of their positions despite proclaiming the equality of all while forcing the masses to toil away under their socialist policies designed to secure their hold on power. I don't blame Li for wanting to start a coup against these guys, honestly >_>
Up with Li for beginning his own rebellion, but down with him if he interferes with Zero.

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Or perhaps the eunuchs all self-castrated themselves to get into positions of power.

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Well, Napoleon isn't above crowning himself emperor, so an united Europe doesn't have to abhor monarchies. I am sure a constitutional monarchy can join EU with a little adjustment. I can't help but wonder if Wakamoto's speech during Clovis' funeral concerning Britannia's rivals were wildly exaggerated. After all, EU and China were being insulted, and when you insult someone it can often happen that you exaggerate things. The EU in Code Geass may not be entirely ruled by Democracy, and the Code Geass China political system doesn't even resemble communism at all. Wakamoto was probably embellishing political policies when he made that speech.
Now this explanation I like.
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Old 2008-04-17, 16:00   Link #315
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Or perhaps the eunuchs all self-castrated themselves to get into positions of power.


hmm....so no sex scandals at the top?

Where will the common people find their entertainment then?!

OH The horror.....
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Actually that was exactly the justification for doing so.
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Actually that was exactly the justification for doing so.
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Old 2008-04-17, 17:47   Link #318
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Well, Napoleon isn't above crowning himself emperor, so an united Europe doesn't have to abhor monarchies. I am sure a constitutional monarchy can join EU with a little adjustment. I can't help but wonder if Wakamoto's speech during Clovis' funeral concerning Britannia's rivals were wildly exaggerated. After all, EU and China were being insulted, and when you insult someone it can often happen that you exaggerate things. The EU in Code Geass may not be entirely ruled by Democracy, and the Code Geass China political system doesn't even resemble communism at all. Wakamoto was probably embellishing political policies when he made that speech.
By democracies I meant to include Constitutional Monarchies, but I was mistaken.

So yes, I could see an EU containing Constitutional Monarchies. I believe they do today.
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Old 2008-04-17, 17:57   Link #319
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Since when? Did the Kaiser suddenly return when I wasn't looking? What happened to those Parliamentary Revolutionaries of Great Britain that kicked the monarchy out to North America in the first place?

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Old 2008-04-17, 19:42   Link #320
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Actually that was exactly the justification for doing so.
More like, eunuchs were castrated so that they could not ascend to the throne due to the inability to have a heir!
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