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Old 2008-06-04, 20:42   Link #341
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The "fly" and the "float" anaology is way too broad, anyone got any ideas on what meaning Nasu intended on? Seeing as its used in several situations.

For me fly would have to be assosiated with freedom and the such, there's alot of reference to this freedom and most likely a purity of the mind and desires etc etc.
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Old 2008-06-05, 03:43   Link #342
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I think it means that floating means just drifting along, not in control of anything at all, while flying is really setting a destination and actually exercising your will to get there.
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Old 2008-06-05, 06:03   Link #343
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Check here for interpretation of this movie:
http://loliliciousness.wordpress.com...notes-edition/

I think he make a very good analysis.
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Old 2008-06-05, 12:01   Link #344
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Hmm nice find, he has some good points. I always felt that the Haagen-Dazs was a metaphor of acceptance and in this case forced and bitter acceptance.
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Old 2008-06-05, 13:58   Link #345
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I just saw this movie too, and this is seriously confusing >.<

I really like Type-Moon stories because it's so detailed and beautiful, but this first movie really gave me the big question mark. I guess it's because it's meant to be watched all in one go like a TV series. I guess I'll have to watch it all over again when all 7 movies are out, to really fully appreciate the first movie.

Some scenes were beautifully done though, like the implied violence (when the dog walks pass Shiki, and leaves bloody footprints). As well as random Moe service, like Shiki eating ice cream (maybe it means something, but I duno).
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Old 2008-06-05, 14:04   Link #346
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I'm not exactly sure of this. I think Tsukihime Shiki's eyes become blue because of...
Spoiler for mild spoiler from tsukihime, far side moon route:

His eye color isn't related to his magan, imho (considering Nanaya in MB and the fact the magan is always "activated", until the Magangoroshi actually has an effect on the color)
Ahh. Yes, another detail I misinterpreted. Thank you for clearing that up. There was only one side story in Kagetsu Tohya that implied such a thing that I said. But yeah I remember now what was said.
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Old 2008-06-05, 14:10   Link #347
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Yes, that is probably the fanfiction TYPE-MOON added in Kagetsu Tohya (IIRC, it is "Dawn"): When Shiki removes his glasses, the narrator indicates "blue eyes". Considering the situation, both assertions are correct.

But considering MB, it seems the eyes color is related to "nanaya"... well IMHO
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Old 2008-06-05, 15:21   Link #348
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Shiki's eyes change color due to the concentrated badassness of Nanaya. It's just like spice. Which must flow.
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Old 2008-06-06, 02:39   Link #349
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The color of the eyes does not really tie to the Nanaya mode, as far as I know.

In Nasuverse, there is a type of magic called "Noble Color" which in fact is known as Mystic Eyes. When mystic eyes are active, they change color due to it's user's attribute and power. For example, Arcueid's mystic eyes have color of gold because gold represent power of higher existence and something that is inhuman. Another example would be Crimson Moon's mystic eyes' color are rainbow, which represent the highest level.

In Tohno Shiki case, his eyes are forced to turn on and focus all the time. So his normal eyes color would be of his mystic eyes'. But when he wear a glasses, they are forced to turn off so they change to their original color.

For Ryougi Shiki, she has more control over her eyes, so she focus what line she want to see (I think she can see lines all the time too but have more control over it).
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Old 2008-06-06, 03:57   Link #350
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read

Spoiler for Shiki's Glasses (Tsukihime) and Shiki's Eyes (KnK):


I don't know anything about the eye color stuff, other than the whole "colors that are better than other colors" bit.
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Old 2008-06-06, 04:24   Link #351
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In Tohno Shiki case, his eyes are forced to turn on and focus all the time. So his normal eyes color would be of his mystic eyes'. But when he wear a glasses, they are forced to turn off so they change to their original color.
Why does Nanaya have blue eyes in MB then? It doesn't exactly make sense in this case as he is a phenomenom created by TATARI and he doesn't seem to use anything related to Tohno's Magan (or else, his arc drives would be similar in damage fashion).

Well, I actually take this interpretation from evospace's site, but concretely, I'm also unsure about Arcueid's eyes, as they are more like the sign when she uses her power than specifically the "mystic eyes" (I wonder if she actually has Magan so. Red Arcueid demonstrates that the golden eyes are permanent as she is in state of fury, so unleashing her True Ancestor powers).

ah well, I guess that's another odd point in Nasuverse (geh, time to cut the off topic huh )
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Old 2008-06-06, 06:54   Link #352
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He went too close to the building and had his mind captured by the floating girl. Or something.
I know, what I meant is that the movie intentional didn't explain why he became like that when we first saw him on the couch, and only reveal the result later.
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Old 2008-06-07, 06:10   Link #353
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They didn't exactly fool anyone, with him spaced out on the couch like that...
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Old 2008-06-07, 17:20   Link #354
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I've just seen the first episode,not so bad but a bit confusing ^^"!BTW someone have any info about releases of the next episodes?
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Old 2008-06-07, 17:38   Link #355
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Chapter 2 DVD will be released this 25th june, while chapter 3 will be the 23rd july.
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Old 2008-06-07, 22:53   Link #356
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That means the subs may come out as quickly as late July and August respectively if we're lucky. Reading the novel the next few "episodes" shouldn't disappoint.
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Old 2008-06-07, 22:59   Link #357
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What makes you say that? The subs for the first DVD came out on the same day the first DVD came out.
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Old 2008-06-08, 19:35   Link #358
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What?! Really?! My statement just based on just expectations, those guys clearly worked too hard. Thanks for the the hope for super fast subs. That is of course they continue to sub it, which I hope they do.
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Old 2008-06-09, 03:26   Link #359
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The movies have been around for some time now, I don't think it's unreasonable to guess that some fansubbers have low quality theater versions of the movies, already translated and basically timed, and are just waiting for high quaity versions to put the subs on.
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Old 2008-06-10, 02:58   Link #360
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The movies have been around for some time now, I don't think it's unreasonable to guess that some fansubbers have low quality theater versions of the movies, already translated and basically timed, and are just waiting for high quaity versions to put the subs on.
Mmh that could be true as well..
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