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Old 2008-12-17, 05:12   Link #781
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Screenshots + brief summary if anyone is interested.

Dunno how the rest of you guys feel about KnK's storytelling, but the mystery/drive in the plot of 1-3 that connected things together was murders around town, and
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Old 2008-12-17, 07:35   Link #782
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Thanks a lot for the summary/pictures. I'll be sure to give it a read once i've seen the fourth movie for myself. Don't want to go and spoil myself now. :3
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Old 2008-12-17, 10:22   Link #783
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The best part of part 4 was the return of the ice cream...
I wonder since they included "境界式" at the end of the movie, will the end of part 6 have the "Intermission - Lio" scene?
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Old 2008-12-17, 13:49   Link #784
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Old 2008-12-17, 16:32   Link #785
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Old 2008-12-17, 21:22   Link #786
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I think it's a flash back prior to episode 3 before all that happened.
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Oh this time it was so short, 30 mins really wasn't enough :/. Good though.
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Old 2008-12-17, 22:08   Link #788
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Old 2008-12-18, 00:05   Link #789
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So in term of time-line, this happens right after the second movie? And the second movie is first?

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Old 2008-12-18, 00:58   Link #790
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Old 2008-12-18, 01:21   Link #791
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So in term of time-line, this happens right after the second movie? And the second movie is first?

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Old 2008-12-18, 13:52   Link #792
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I've always wondered why Ryogi Shiki could control her eyes without the aid of any special glasses, whereas Tohno Shiki needs them. Also why Tohno Shiki's eyes would cause him to die in his teens, whereas Ryogi seems to be living just fine. As I recall, even without his half-shared-drained life, his extensive use of his eyes would destroy his brain relatively soon. Maybe it's because Ryogi's opponents aren't quite as strong as Tohnos and she doesn't have to strain her eyes as much (to see lines conceptually in things that are immortal (i.e. Arcueid's source of immortality)...?
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Old 2008-12-18, 14:57   Link #793
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So in term of time-line, this happens right after the second movie? And the second movie is first?
The chronological order for the first five movies is: 2, 4, 3, 1, 5 !!!
From the 5th and onward, I think they are in chronological order, but I am not sure.

Anyway, again, excellent movie in all fields, animation, music, but especially script and its transfer to another medium! Now I can only hope with the release of Tsukihime (which is a rework of the original), it going to get a similar treatment.
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Old 2008-12-18, 15:42   Link #794
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I've always wondered why Ryogi Shiki could control her eyes without the aid of any special glasses, whereas Tohno Shiki needs them. Also why Tohno Shiki's eyes would cause him to die in his teens, whereas Ryogi seems to be living just fine. As I recall, even without his half-shared-drained life, his extensive use of his eyes would destroy his brain relatively soon. Maybe it's because Ryogi's opponents aren't quite as strong as Tohnos and she doesn't have to strain her eyes as much (to see lines conceptually in things that are immortal (i.e. Arcueid's source of immortality)...?
My personal take as to why Tohno eyes cause him strain because he doesn't accept them and therefore refuses them causing his mind to suffer, where as ryougi accepted the eyes and their power. Basically his death in his teens is caused from the mental strain of his eyes on his brain. Also note that ryogi's eyes possesses the ability to to perceive the death of life force and also the death of the existence of objects and concepts alike. At this level, it enables her to perceive and annihilate physical material, persons, diseases, ghosts, intentions, and even magecraft. Her eyes have proven a little more advance than Tohno's, (only because its never been stated or i might just not have read it that Tohno can kill concepts) but that's not a certainty.

Anyways if anyone's curious i get all my info on the Mystic Eyes from here. http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Mysti...ath_Perception
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Old 2008-12-18, 16:01   Link #795
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My personal take as to why Tohno eyes cause him strain because he doesn't accept them and therefore refuses them causing his mind to suffer, where as ryougi accepted the eyes and their power. Basically his death in his teens is caused from the mental strain of his eyes on his brain. Also note that ryogi's eyes possesses the ability to to perceive the death of life force and also the death of the existence of objects and concepts alike. At this level, it enables her to perceive and annihilate physical material, persons, diseases, ghosts, intentions, and even magecraft. Her eyes have proven a little more advance than Tohno's, (only because its never been stated or i might just not have read it that Tohno can kill concepts) but that's not a certainty.

Anyways if anyone's curious i get all my info on the Mystic Eyes from here. http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Mysti...ath_Perception
In terms of displayed capabilities, Tohno's eyes were shown to have the power to destroy "higher order" objects and concepts such as poisons, infecting life forces, reality marbles, a being's cycle of reincarnation, and so on. So it's certainly not as if he can't do all the things Ryogi can with his eyes.

It's just that whenever he uses the more extreme capabilities of the eyes, his brain nearly breaks. As for why, well you'd have to ask Nasu, he seemed to acquire a taste for protagonists whose abilities could kill them.
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Old 2008-12-18, 16:04   Link #796
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Tohno can do the same, but trying to comprehend concepts and objets will most likely kill him (blood vessel being brusted).
There isn't anything related to "strong opponent" whatsoever, as Tohno was still suffering big time with lines and dots for inanimate object.

It seems the fact that Ryougi was in comatose state for 2 years (ptolonged near death experience), was a factor for her Magan.
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Tohno can do the same, but trying to comprehend concepts and objets will most likely kill him (blood vessel being brusted).
There isn't anything related to "strong opponent" whatsoever, as Tohno was still suffering big time with lines and dots for inanimate object.

It seems the fact that Ryougi was in comatose state for 2 years (ptolonged near death experience), was a factor for her Magan.
well, and she was born with a mystic eye ability that involved understanding concepts, so Ryogi probably had the right "wiring" to begin with.

you know, kinda funny now that I think about it, the mystic eyes setting fits much more in KnK, with all its discussions of issues like perception and recognition, than it does in Tsukihime. Sort of odd that KnK came first. >_>
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Thanks for the clarification ashlay and Klashikari, good to know I just love the whole concept behind the eyes.
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Old 2008-12-18, 17:14   Link #799
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you know, kinda funny now that I think about it, the mystic eyes setting fits much more in KnK, with all its discussions of issues like perception and recognition, than it does in Tsukihime. Sort of odd that KnK came first. >_>
I agree with you that it suits KnK better, though i like the broken down version and how dark the mood can change in Tsukihime when they're the main topic. It's good that they're the same technique, though so different in both shows.

Small question, it may be answered on the link that was posted though i'll ask it anyway. Is Shiki able to control when she sees the lines? Probably not, though that's just the feeling i get with the fact that her eyes basically turn on and off when she chooses. Something probably not apart of the original novel as much as these movies.
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I believe she only sees the lines when she turns the circuit on (aka turns her Mystic Eyes on), and with them off she doesn't see the lines.
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