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Old 2009-07-31, 08:43   Link #1281
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I think I liked episode 5 better than 6.
The first half of 6 seemed to move at a snail's pace.
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Old 2009-07-31, 09:25   Link #1282
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It was a bit straight-forward an less-than-creepy for a Kara No Kyoukai episode, but the exposition backhoe sure filled in a lot of the plot. I guess I liked it anyway!
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Old 2009-07-31, 14:31   Link #1283
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another thing I don't get.
I thought Azaka couldn't see the faeries..which was the whole reason why Ryougi had to team up with her. Why could Azaka suddenly be able to see them against the fight in the church?
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Old 2009-07-31, 14:39   Link #1284
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Also, on the blind Fujino, it raises the question as to what Shiki really did to her. To me, it seems that Shiki might have chose to kill her eyes instead of her ability to feel pain to get rid of her powers.
Fujino by the end of her fight with Shiki was already effectively blind. She did develope clarvyvionce which means she doesn't even need her eyes.
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Old 2009-07-31, 14:44   Link #1285
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another thing I don't get.
I thought Azaka couldn't see the faeries..which was the whole reason why Ryougi had to team up with her. Why could Azaka suddenly be able to see them against the fight in the church?
That is because Ouji didn't keep them "stealth". It is perhaps impossible to use them offensively if they are like this (their appearance and structure change radically when they are attacking).
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Old 2009-07-31, 16:27   Link #1286
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ah I see.

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Old 2009-07-31, 18:45   Link #1287
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ah I see.

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So basically, we're talking about parallel universes. Tsukihime, Fate/stay night and KnK are set in parallel universes with only minor characters able to cross over and interact? Ao can cross over but Touko can't?
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Old 2009-07-31, 19:08   Link #1288
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So basically, we're talking about parallel universes. Tsukihime, Fate/stay night and KnK are set in parallel universes with only minor characters able to cross over and interact? Ao can cross over but Touko can't?
I think KnK and Tsukihime are the only mutually exclusive ones because Tsukihime is pretty much a rewrite of KnK. FSN can interact with both, but I'd connect it more to Tsukhime (because it came later).
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Old 2009-07-31, 19:18   Link #1289
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I think KnK and Tsukihime are the only mutually exclusive ones because Tsukihime is pretty much a rewrite of KnK. FSN can interact with both, but I'd connect it more to Tsukhime (because it came later).
i don't know if can consider tsukihime a remake of knk as other then the Shiki mystic eye both series are quite different.
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Old 2009-07-31, 20:35   Link #1290
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I don't think "remake" is a suitable description either.

Like I said before, KnK seems more of a precursor to the world that is Tsukihime and FSN. You have elements of KnK in both Tsukihime and FSN, of which are directly related. From what I know, Tsukihime and FSN practically belong in the same universe, though I cannot be quoted on that.

Nanaya Shiki from Tsukihime is practically comparable to Mikiya in terms of looks, and also hails from a particular special bloodline of some renown similar to Ryougi Shiki—not to mention, that both possess comparable and yet contrasting main powers: Eyes of Death Perception. KnK also features the idea of the Magi, whose machinations play a more prominent role in FSN. Last but not least, Tsukihime and KnK feature Aoko and Touko Aozaki, who despite being featured in two separate universes are—by Nasuverse canon—sisters.

And oh, you also have to take into account the existence of Melty Blood, which is another alternate path springing from Tsukihime.

The whole interrelatedness of these universes reminds me of Kajishima's Tenchi Muyo. There's a quite a number of Tenchi series and spin offs at present, with a few of them having no direct relation with the others at all. Different continuities and all that. The only thing that binds them is that Kajishima differentiates what the main canon is. Nasu on the other hand, doesn't seem to place such importance in such a hierarchy. That is, I haven't heard of him making such a claim of that sort.
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Old 2009-07-31, 20:50   Link #1291
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I don't think "remake" is a suitable description either.

Like I said before, KnK seems more of a precursor to the world that is Tsukihime and FSN. You have elements of KnK in both Tsukihime and FSN, of which are directly related. From what I know, Tsukihime and FSN practically belong in the same universe, though I cannot be quoted on that.

Nanaya Shiki from Tsukihime is practically comparable to Mikiya in terms of looks, and also hails from a particular special bloodline of some renown similar to Ryougi Shiki—not to mention, that both possess comparable and yet contrasting main powers: Eyes of Death Perception. KnK also features the idea of the Magi, whose machinations play a more prominent role in FSN. Last but not least, Tsukihime and KnK feature Aoko and Touko Aozaki, who despite being featured in two separate universes are—by Nasuverse canon—sisters.

And oh, you also have to take into account the existence of Melty Blood, which is another alternate path springing from Tsukihime.

The whole interrelatedness of these universes reminds me of Kajishima's Tenchi Muyo. There's a quite a number of Tenchi series and spin offs at present, with a few of them having no direct relation with the others at all. Different continuities and all that. The only thing that binds them is that Kajishima differentiates what the main canon is. Nasu on the other hand, doesn't seem to place such importance in such a hierarchy. That is, I haven't heard of him making such a claim of that sort.
I didn't mean remake, and that's not what I said. I said "rewrite", and what I meant was taking the same basic principles and starting from scratch. Obviously Shiki and Shiki overlap, although there's a bit of Mikiya thrown in too. More than that though, you've got the sister in love with the brother who goes to some secluded private school, you've got the morbid probing of the minds of serial killers, you've got the Fujino vs Ryougi fight which almost exactly parallels the Akiha vs Nanaya fight, etc. It's not one to one, but it's clear that he felt no shame in ripping off the themes and even specific scenes of his older work to create the basis of Tsukihime.
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Old 2009-07-31, 20:53   Link #1292
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It's not one to one, but it's clear that he felt no shame in ripping off the themes and even specific scenes of his older work to create the basis of Tsukihime.
And then added vampires and porn.
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Old 2009-07-31, 21:01   Link #1293
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This movie was a bundle of cuteness. Mostly Azaka, but also Shiki--happily getting ready to feed the fish only to pout upon spotting the "Don't feed the fish" sign.

...so I was really surprised when Azaka lost in the Saimoe 2nd Preliminaries yesterday. I mean, I would have campaigned in this thread for sure, whether or not that would have done any good, but I really thought she'd at least have that much in the bag.
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Old 2009-07-31, 21:01   Link #1294
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And then added vampires and porn.
I'd say the vampire aspect was very closely related to the serial killer and mage aspect, rather than being something new. Most of the vampires were simply ancient mages a la Araya, and had similar motivations. The vampirism manifested primarily as brutal "tear them apart and eat their flesh and blood" themes and urges, which frankly isn't any different from the supernatural serial killer stuff in KnK. I wouldn't consider the distinction meaningful enough to say it was an entirely new theme. I would say that Arc's character was fairly distinct from anything in KnK though.

The porn I like to consider something that was simply thought to be mandatory for the genre.
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Old 2009-07-31, 21:07   Link #1295
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I'd say the vampire aspect was very closely related to the serial killer and mage aspect, rather than being something new. Most of the vampires were simply ancient mages a la Araya, and had similar motivations. The vampirism manifested primarily as brutal "tear them apart and eat their flesh and blood" themes and urges, which frankly isn't any different from the supernatural serial killer stuff in KnK. I wouldn't consider the distinction meaningful enough to say it was an entirely new theme. I would say that Arc's character was fairly distinct from anything in KnK though.

The porn I like to consider something that was simply thought to be mandatory for the genre.
I was trying to be funny.

I agree though, the vampire aspect just seems like a way to make the bloodier aspects of KnK even more supernatural.
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Old 2009-07-31, 23:19   Link #1296
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...so I was really surprised when Azaka lost in the Saimoe 2nd Preliminaries yesterday. I mean, I would have campaigned in this thread for sure, whether or not that would have done any good, but I really thought she'd at least have that much in the bag.
Well, she is kind of weird imo with that bro-con bordering on incest thing going on. No offense.
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Old 2009-07-31, 23:24   Link #1297
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I think I liked episode 5 better than 6.
The first half of 6 seemed to move at a snail's pace.
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Old 2009-08-01, 00:48   Link #1298
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anyone have link to the song Fairytale Instrument only?
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Old 2009-08-01, 03:31   Link #1299
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Well, she is kind of weird imo with that bro-con bordering on incest thing going on. No offense.
All the more reason why she should have made it a bit further.
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Old 2009-08-01, 07:13   Link #1300
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I'm really enjoying how the series is unfolding. Though I feel that every time a character is introduced (in this case, Azaka) I feel that it was a waste that their powers only get several minutes of spotlight.
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