[Manga] ....... to Jounin?

[prolifik]

OK, this question has caused a lot of commotion on another forum that I am in, so I will ask it here. After this fight, do you think that Shika should be promoted to Jounin?

I personally do not think so, because almost every fight that I have seen Shika in, he has had someone come save him in the end. I know that most ninjas need help in a fight every once in a while, but in every fight? Now I know his intelligence far outshines anyone else that we have seen in the manga, but this can only take him so far. We have seen on several instances where he used his wits to outsmart his opponent to get an advantage only to fail because of his relatively weak power level.

Maybe I am just overrating Jounins, but I think that there should be a reasonable expectation that they should be able to take on high level opponents (of course I don't mean kage or S-rank ninjas) by themselves. (Even though he is an S-Rank ninja, I am not counting Hidan because he doesn't think like a high level ninja)

If Shikamaru has to get promoted I would say make him a Special Jounin of strategies and tactics. I think that this would suit him well.

Well, what do you guys think?

[zamme]

I think that it will be clear after this arc.. If Shikamaru REALLY can take out Hidan 1on1, then yes, he deserves to be a Jounin.

[tatami]

yes he is smart but hidan is dumb...that makes shika uber smart for hidan..

i dont think that with only brains yopu can be a jounin...if he improves some more in stamina power and jutsu he will become easily to a jounin...but for now it is not enough i think... +its a bit too early...we just see him as a chuunin for a little time...if make him jounin then after 30-40 episodes lets make him hokage....

[Rezard]

Don´t you have to be able to use at least two elements to became a Jounin?

Maybe there are exceptions, but since Shika doesn´t know any, he can´t be one.

[Kinder]

I think it was said in manga that to be a jouunin u need to be able to manipulate 2 elements (in chakra), or something like that. But no doubt that shika has the tallent and brain to be a Jounin

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by Rezard

Don´t you have to be able to use at least two elements to became a Jounin?

Maybe there are exceptions, but since Shika doesn´t know any, he can´t be one.

Originally Posted by Kinder

I think it was said in manga that to be a jouunin u need to be able to manipulate 2 elements (in chakra), or something like that. But no doubt that shika has the tallent and brain to be a Jounin

No, it was not said that to be a Jounnin you need to be able to manipulate your Chakra into 2 elements, it was said that By the time you're a jounin-class ninja, most people can use at least two types. which are two different things.

[Papaya]

Them leaf village kids don't know anything about elements. Sasuke is the only one that uses any fire and his attacks always miss (or suck if they hit).

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by prolifik

I personally do not think so, because almost every fight that I have seen Shika in, he has had someone come save him in the end. I know that most ninjas need help in a fight every once in a while, but in every fight? Now I know his intelligence far outshines anyone else that we have seen in the manga, but this can only take him so far. We have seen on several instances where he used his wits to outsmart his opponent to get an advantage only to fail because of his relatively weak power level.

He should be promoted.

Every time Shikamaru has been saved, it was in situations where he was badly outmatched. The first time against the 9 sound ninja, he was not trying to defeat his opponents, merely to stall them to let Naruto and Sakura escape. The second time, he was pitted against Tayuya, a chuunin with a cursed seal ability. All the genin in the Sasuke rescue arc (except for Temari and Kankuro) either lost against the Sound group or were critically injured in winning, So Shikamaru performed on par in this situation.

I'll point out that though Temari, Kankuro and Neji were promoted to jounin, they have so far been next to useless against Akatsuki opponents. Not saying that they don't deserve their ranks, but if they can be promoted, why not promote Shika who's not only coming up with strategies to defeat Akatsuki members (S-rank nin), but is also the one implementing them as well. If you compare his performance with that of most of the chuunin we've seen so far, he's operating on
a different level.

[prolifik]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

I'll point out that though Temari, Kankuro and Neji were promoted to jounin, they have so far been next to useless against Akatsuki opponents. Not saying that they don't deserve their ranks, but if they can be promoted, why not promote Shika who's not only coming up with strategies to defeat Akatsuki members (S-rank nin), but is also the one implementing them as well. If you compare his performance with that of most of the chuunin we've seen so far, he's operating on
a different level.

I am by no means saying that he is not a tricky opponent to have, what I am saying is that he is in a good position where he is now. All Chuunin are supposed to be able to lead a group of ninjas into battle, but Jounin are supposed to do this and most of the time also be expected to be the last line of defense for the group. Jounins are supposed to be the strongest or the most experienced fighters in the group. Can you imagine Shika as a Jounin leading Shino, Kiba, and Naruto into a battle? Yes, you can. But couldn't he do the same exact thing as a Chuunin? We all know that Naruto would be the strongest and the most experienced fighter in that group.

Now if he takes out Kakuzu, Hidan (yes I know I am going back on what I said earlier), or any high level ninja by himself, I might change my mind.

[Sasuke_Akatsuki]

Shika leading Naruto into battle sounds so wrong....what if Sasuke comes back! can you imagine Sasuke taking orders from Shika....HELL NO

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by prolifik

I am by no means saying that he is not a tricky opponent to have, what I am saying is that he is in a good position where he is now. All Chuunin are supposed to be able to lead a group of ninjas into battle, but Jounin are supposed to do this and most of the time also be expected to be the last line of defense for the group. Jounins are supposed to be the strongest or the most experienced fighters in the group. Can you imagine Shika as a Jounin leading Shino, Kiba, and Naruto into a battle? Yes, you can. But couldn't he do the same exact thing as a Chuunin? We all know that Naruto would be the strongest and the most experienced fighter in that group.

You could've compared Naruto to Shikamaru that way pre-timeskip, yet he alone was promoted to chuunin and with good reason. Without Shika's leadership, the group would've been defeated almost immediately by Sound Four. I doubt Tsunade would've assigned the leadership position to him if he hadn't been promoted to chuunin. So that's the reason Shika should be promoted to jounin, because he would be assigned to lead more A and S-rank missions where his expertise is sorely needed. Naruto's strong and perhaps more experienced but he's too impulsive to meet the leadership standards of even chuunin rank. As far as field experience goes, we don't exactly know how he compares to Naruto. Remember, while Naruto was off training with Jiraiya, Shikamaru was serving as a chuunin and most likely going on C, B and even A-rank missions so he might've surpassed Naruto in this area. However, even if this isn't the case his sheer intelligence and common sense make up for any lack of experience

Now if he takes out Kakuzu, Hidan (yes I know I am going back on what I said earlier), or any high level ninja by himself, I might change my mind.

That's a steep requirement don't you think? Since we have yet to see any jounin or even Kage-level ninja accomplish this feat single-handedly. I don't coun't Gai's defeat of the Kisame clone.

Originally Posted by Sasuke_Akatsuki

Shika leading Naruto into battle sounds so wrong....what if Sasuke comes back! can you imagine Sasuke taking orders from Shika....HELL NO

Shika's led Naruto into battle before, not to mention Neji who is a genius. Hell, he's leading Kakashi into battle and he's basically the textbook definition of a ninja genius. If Sasuke remained in Konoha (or in the unlikely event he ever returns), I don't think he'd have a problem taking orders from Shikamaru. Sasuke's arrogant, but nearly every ninja Shika's encountered so far have recognized his ability as a leader, even the enemies.

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by prolifik

OK, this question has caused a lot of commotion on another forum that I am in, so I will ask it here. After this fight, do you think that Shika should be promoted to Jounin?

Depends on the requirements for becoming a Jounin.

Shikamaru's intelligence is already above the Jounin level, most probably at Hokage level. But, according to the current policy, he might still lack the strength to back up that intelligence at Jounin level. If he were to born 14 years earlier, he would have already become a Jounin. But, right now, that may not be enough. Anyway, still his chances of becoming a jounin must be higher than the chances for Kakashi to become a Hokage.

[prolifik]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

That's a steep requirement don't you think? Since we have yet to see any jounin or even Kage-level ninja accomplish this feat single-handedly. I don't coun't Gai's defeat of the Kisame clone.

I just mentioned those two because he is currently fighting them. I just want to see him defeat a high level opponent single handedly.

He has all the tools to be an elite ninja he just has to get a little more power in his attacks.

[yuchan]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

I'll point out that though Temari, Kankuro and Neji were promoted to jounin, they have so far been next to useless against Akatsuki opponents. Not saying that they don't deserve their ranks, but if they can be promoted, why not promote Shika who's not only coming up with strategies to defeat Akatsuki members (S-rank nin), but is also the one implementing them as well. If you compare his performance with that of most of the chuunin we've seen so far, he's operating on a different level.

Let's remember those 3 have brains and brawn. They're aren't as smart as Shika, but damn close. Shikamaru isn't even near their level power wise. That's why i don't think he should be a jounin. Maybe a special jounin, but not a regular jounin. He's needs to beef on more battle jutsus, or at least taijutsu

[Sogoro]

His shadow jutsu seems to have gotten stronger

[Zu Ra]

Actually this thread should be merged . there was a similar thread made by cheese4u two three days back which had exact same content as this one ...

Who deserves an upgrade?

[onepiecelover]

I dont know if he should be promoted to a Jounin, he only is a brilliant stratergist he is still not all that strong in his combat skills and he cant increse the time for hs shadow biding technique. I think that if he does in fact defeat Hidan it would probably be due to luck or something but I like Shikamaru so i want himi tobe a jounin but I dont think he would make a very good Jounin in his current power

[Hir0]

lol he completely disregarded Hidan's Taijutsu, kagemane to distract and punch him, he aint scared of Hidan at all to be exact.

He delibrately took the hit even taking all the risks, i think he has enough combat skills to become a jounin. Have u seen Kurenai do much combat against Kisame or Itachi?

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by yuchan

Let's remember those 3 have brains and brawn. They're aren't as smart as Shika, but damn close. Shikamaru isn't even near their level power wise. That's why i don't think he should be a jounin. Maybe a special jounin, but not a regular jounin. He's needs to beef on more battle jutsus, or at least taijutsu

I'll agree with Neji's qualifications. However, Temari's brawn didn't help her much against Shikamaru in the chuunin finals did it? While she did easily defeat Tayuya later on, that was arguably only because Shika give her a quick summary on the techniques Tayuya used and Temari was able to determine what the best attack would be given the situation. As for Kankuro, I would hardly call any puppet user brawny since they rely on their puppets for battle as much as Shika relies on his shadows. The puppets are maybe more versatile depending on the user, but Shika makes up for it by the ingenuity he puts behind his techniques. His list of shadow techniques is also steadily growing, along with the way he can use them. Many jounin prefer or rely on a certain technique more than others. Yamato uses exclusively mokuton and hasn't shown any skills in genjutsu or taijustu. Gai on the other hand relies nearly entirely on taijutsu. Both are jounin. Not all jounin are particularly well-rounded like Kakashi

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Originally Posted by zamme

I think that it will be clear after this arc.. If Shikamaru REALLY can take out Hidan 1on1, then yes, he deserves to be a Jounin.

(It feels like 1 year....2-3 weeks without i-net. )

Anyway my comment on this:

I cant see any other jounin except the Sannin fight an Akatsuki member evenly or atleast fight so good against an Akatsuki member alone... i gotta say i really underestimated his IQ but....his dad is a jounin right?

I think he'd win easily from his dad...

Remember the 2 jounins who'd faced the Sound 4....they were both nearly killed.
For Shikamaru to fight Akatsuki (2 immortals) so good...makes him already a jounin lvl fighter in my eyes. But then again...perhaps his other skills arent good enough to make him one.

+ His strategy & tactics are beyond any other jounin in konoha.
? I dont know about his knowlegde or counter of genjutsu, taijutsu, ninjutsu or kinjutsu..
- We cant say the same about his strenght, chakra or jutsu's.