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Old 2008-08-11, 14:52   Link #1161
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excaliburs
as in more then one
and kallen never uses a beam against MVS weapons
she grabs them melts them and breaks them (like i said,close combat expert)
Yea but I think I saw the new Gurren throw like a radiation fire ball or something. Plus it can launch it's arms at longer range so maybe more shielding?
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Old 2008-08-11, 14:53   Link #1162
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Yea but I think I saw the new Gurren throw like a radiation fire ball or something. Plus it can launch it's arms at longer range so maybe more shielding?
Why not to just cut off that arm.
Shield first. Then cut off.
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Old 2008-08-11, 14:55   Link #1163
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Why not to just cut off that arm.
Shield first. Then cut off.
Well he has to get to close range first but whatever works.
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:03   Link #1164
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Shield for Lancelot:

The Shield of Lancelot, given to him by the Lady of the Lake, it instantly cured him of tiredness and gave him the strength of three men.

Weapons for Lancelot:

1. Mjolnir, the magic hammer of Thor. It was invulnerable and when thrown it would return to the user's hand
2. The Sword of Peleus, a magic sword that makes its wielder victorious in the battle or the hunt
3. Fragarach (also The Sword of Air, The Answerer or The Retaliator), forged by the gods. No armor could stop it, and it would grant its wielder command over the powers of win
4. The Grail Sword, a cracked holy sword which Sir Percival bonded back together, though the crack remained could shoot the mythical green flame.
5. Clarent, the sword in the stone which Arthur pulled free to become King of Britain, not to be mistaken with Excalibur. ( it's poetic, isn't it? to gain KoO status with this sword)

6. Arondight, Lancelot's sword that could cut through stone and metal. ( No comments)
7. Tyrfing (also Tirfing or Tervingi), the cursed sword of Svafrlami, from the Elder Edda; also said to be the sword of Odin in Wagnerian mythology
8. Balmung/Gram, the sword that Odin struck into the Branstock tree which only Sigmund the Volsung was able to pull out. It broke in battle with Odin but was later reforged by Sigmund's son Sigurd/Siegfried and used it to slay the dragon Fafnir. After being reforged, it could cleave an anvil in half.
9. Gungnir, Odin's magic spear created by the dwarf Dvalin. It would never miss its aim and it could not be stopped in mid-throw (Norse mythology)
10. The Spear of Destiny (also Spear of Longinus or the Holy Lance), the spear said to have pierced the side of Jesus at the crucifixion. (Lol, couldn't resist )
11. Rhongomiant, which was the spear of King Arthur

Edit: My preferences are angled.

I like Grail Sword for it's green flames. Fit with Lancelot wing color.
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:08   Link #1165
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Hmm, somehow I think Mjolnir fits better in with the Guren's arm if anything...
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:09   Link #1166
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the lancelot was always the machine with more tricks up its sleeve while the guren was a close combat powerhouse
now the guren has lots of weapons for all ranges and the lancelot only has close combat weapons (again the guren was built for close combat and later had extra functions add, and its what kallen is best at even before the guren,she punched out a satherland in her glasgow and tried the same against the lancelot)
So time to start flipping fighting styles . But the fights against the Guren were mostly fought in the close range sense anyways. The approach has to change for the Lancelot after the Guren's latest upgrades. In order to breach the defence from range would need some massive weaponry that won't match with how fast the Guren is right now.

Its not like Suzaku can't handle close combat anyways. Has been working on his kicking combos and with better shielding he won't lose limbs during them . If he can transfer some of the training he had in close combat outside of the Lancelot into one then it should be fine. Important thing is making sure the shields won't give out and the swords can't be shattered.

Nice list Ruvixur.
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:09   Link #1167
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Hmm, somehow I think Mjolnir fits better in with the Guren's arm if anything...
Uhh. It's hammer, not Claw.
But damage-wise. Yeah. It fits. Really nice.
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:12   Link #1168
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i cant wait for rakshata to install the zigfrieds system in the lancelot as payback to Lloyd
with the new nerve conection system the pilot would be able to target up to 8 enemys at the same time
and they would call this machine : the strike zig-freedom
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:15   Link #1169
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i cant wait for rakshata to install the zigfrieds system in the lancelot as payback to Lloyd
with the new nerve conection system the pilot would be able to target up to 8 enemys at the same time
and they would call this machine : the strike zig-freedom
In the Lancelot?
How will she get her hands on Lancelot? It'
And she said that One Off ( from subs) system can't be mass-produced. Only cyborg can use it.
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:22   Link #1170
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In the Lancelot?
How will she get her hands on Lancelot? It'
And she said that One Off ( from subs) system can't be mass-produced. Only cyborg can use it.
joke man

i still think Lloyd might have a big problem upgrading the lancelot to match the guren
the guren was built by rakshata to be one of the strongest KMF's in the show and then the camelot team got a chance to install all the really cool things that they never had a chance to put on the lancelot (rakshata knew of cecile's energy wing despite not having seen her in years)for some reasons
its a machine built by a team made up of the greatest KMF masterminds in the world
the lancelot is Lloyd's baby and from the looks of it installing the energy wings means ditching half of the old weapon system (just to get it to work properly,since they had the energy wings for a while and didnt install it)
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:26   Link #1171
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joke man

i still think Lloyd might have a big problem upgrading the lancelot to match the guren
the guren was built by rakshata to be one of the strongest KMF's in the show and then the camelot team got a chance to install all the really cool things that they never had a chance to put on the lancelot (rakshata knew of cecile's energy wing despite not having seen her in years)for some reasons
its a machine built by a team made up of the greatest KMF masterminds in the world
the lancelot is Lloyd's baby and from the looks of it installing the energy wings means ditching half of the old weapon system (just to get it to work properly,since they had the energy wings for a while and didnt install it)
Lloyd also now has expert knowledge of how to implement (and improve) everything Lakshata did with the Guren, though.
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:29   Link #1172
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joke man

i still think Lloyd might have a big problem upgrading the lancelot to match the guren
the guren was built by rakshata to be one of the strongest KMF's in the show and then the camelot team got a chance to install all the really cool things that they never had a chance to put on the lancelot (rakshata knew of cecile's energy wing despite not having seen her in years)for some reasons
its a machine built by a team made up of the greatest KMF masterminds in the world
the lancelot is Lloyd's baby and from the looks of it installing the energy wings means ditching half of the old weapon system (just to get it to work properly,since they had the energy wings for a while and didnt install it)
Actually, it's better that Lloyd's Lancelot Albion will be purely his work. Combining two different approaches isn't the best option.
And as we can see, Guren got both wings and weapons, which require lots of energy. Much more than any Lancelot weapons. So there will be no problems with equipment.
It's just that they don't want to spoil everything in opening.

P.S. It's just my opinion, but Lloyd+Cecile is waaay better than Rakshata.
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:46   Link #1173
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the gurens only weapon is the arm (the MVS dagger isnt powered by the guren)
the lancelot had harken boosters (4 of them) and a shield as well as a hadron blaster
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Old 2008-08-11, 15:53   Link #1174
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the gurens only weapon is the arm (the MVS dagger isnt powered by the guren)
the lancelot had harken boosters (4 of them) and a shield as well as a hadron blaster
The Guren had a harken booster and shields as well, and the arm now has a harken booster it's attached to. So really it's a question of 2 harkens + Hadron vs. Long-range radiation arm that can form Radiation discs and block even the Hadron blaster with ease
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Old 2008-08-11, 16:09   Link #1175
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The Guren had a harken booster and shields as well, and the arm now has a harken booster it's attached to. So really it's a question of 2 harkens + Hadron vs. Long-range radiation arm that can form Radiation discs and block even the Hadron blaster with ease
the old guren had a slash harken (not a harken booster,very differnt energy wise)
and the old are had long range ability and shield (after the 1st upgrade)

the new guren has only the arm which is now
1)connected to a harken booster
2)improoved in terms of power output (it seems to have lost the wide range attacks in exchange)
3)able to fire rediation disks which are concentrated blasts rather then an unfocused beam)
it has lost the shield (as far as we can tell) and the slash harken in the chest

it only has the arm now (just a much better one)

the lancelot on the other hand had
1)4 harken boosters
2)MSV swords
3)built in shield system
4)varis
5)hardon blaster
6)intergraded float unit

the albion has
1)MVS
2)energy wings

you cant say that they didnt strip it of most of its weapon systems
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Old 2008-08-11, 16:14   Link #1176
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Albion might have more than the MVS. We haven't even seen it yet.
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Old 2008-08-11, 16:16   Link #1177
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the albion has
1)MVS
2)energy wings

you cant say that they didnt strip it of most of its weapon systems
You can't really say that until we see the unit in the actual show
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Old 2008-08-11, 16:16   Link #1178
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the lancelot on the other hand had
1)4 harken boosters - Wouldn't be able to see this on the new one until it uses them
2)MSV swords - Albion has it
3)built in shield system - Albion definitely has it
4)varis - Probably integrated with (5), we've only seen Albion from front anyway
5)hardon blaster
6)intergraded float unit - Albion has the improved Energy Wing

you cant say that they didnt strip it of most of its weapon systems - Yes I can, with as much certainty as you say it has been stripped
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Old 2008-08-11, 16:17   Link #1179
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I don't think she lost the wide-range capabilities, she just had no use for non-lethal attacks in lethal combat against Suzaku. Also, Guren never had a formal energy shield--her shielding capability was and has always been the radiation arm after it was upgraded into the Aerial Type. But yes, it seems to have traded in the slash harken for the harken booster radiation arm. That could be a distinct disadvantage against the Lancelot Albion (we saw in episode 5 of R1 just how effective Slash Harkens were against the Lancelot).

I'm curious as to what Laksharta will do with Guren's upgrades... will she reverse engineer them and apply them to future OotBK Knightmare Frames?
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Old 2008-08-11, 16:22   Link #1180
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Also, Guren never had a formal energy shield--her shielding capability was and has always been the radiation arm after it was upgraded into the Aerial Type.
Rewatch Kallen's CMOA from earlier in R2. Guilford specifically mentions that the new one has a float unit and shields, and we see her not even try to dodge bullets since the shields stop them.
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I'm curious as to what Laksharta will do with Guren's upgrades... will she reverse engineer them and apply them to future OotBK Knightmare Frames?
It seems a bit late in the series to introduce new mass production types...
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