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Old 2007-06-21, 23:48   Link #121
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Other than warning cagalli of an attack when she was in the. Akatsuki does he(athrun) show any more compassion affection for her? Or do they evEr see each other again?
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Old 2007-06-22, 01:26   Link #122
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Other than warning cagalli of an attack when she was in the. Akatsuki does he(athrun) show any more compassion affection for her? Or do they evEr see each other again?
In case you have not watched Gundam Seed Destiny Final Plus and Gundam Seed Destiny Special Edition:

1) In GSD Final Plus, it added an additional Asucaga hug scene before Archangel took off to space in GSD episode 45.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5...ni12897ys5.jpg

2) To compare the hug scene with GSD Final Plus, the GSD Edge manga (whose story focused on Athrun's point of view) has the similar hug scene.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3188/auggace8tp0.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7471/auggace9bl0.jpg

3) In GSD Special Edition I, it included an extra scene where Athrun was holding and staring at the haumea stone given by Cagalli before he made his final decision to join Dullindel.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/3448/haumea1wl6.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6708/haumea2ud0.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2786/haumea3gx7.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4224/haumea4fe1.jpg

4) In GSD Special Edition II, it included the Asucaga pic in the ending sequence.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4...ni27255on4.jpg

5) In GSD Special Edition III, it revised the original scene so that when Athrun woke up from the sickbay in Archangel, instead of only seeing Kira there, he also found Cagalli standing next to Kira. In the revised scene, Cagalli gave him a smile with her eyes filled up with tears, and Athrun softly looked at her and gave her a warm smile in return and went back to sleep with ease.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4...diiiac1xc6.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4...diiiac2px5.jpg

6) In GSD Special Edition III, it also included Asucaga pic in the ending sequence.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5424/gsdiiiacdu6.jpg

7) In GSD Special Edition IV, before Archange took off to space and Cagalli's decision to stand against Dullindel, it added additional scene where Cagalli sorrowfully took off her ring, put it in her personal case and kept it in her dresser.
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1...cagalliub1.jpg

8) In GSD Special Edition IV, Athrun was wearing Orb uniform at the ending sequence.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1134/seiv4ic2.jpg

If you really like Asucaga and like to share and discuss more about them, besides this forum I will recommend you to participate in the following websites as well.
http://asucaga.minitokyo.net/
http://asucaga.lolforum.net/
http://community.livejournal.com/asucaga

Enjoy!

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Old 2007-06-22, 02:40   Link #123
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i concider it lame to make special edition where things change compare to what happen on the TV serie.
they change thing and modify what happen in the TV serie to match some special need they have, they dont have the balls to let it stay the way they first present it because some fans arent please.
i concider i dont have to watch 2 or 3 version of the same serie and pick wich one is the real one, it s the same with lore being given through newtype magazin, official site and stuff. i must not be forced to read, subscribe or buy book because of their lack of will to world that makes sense and think they can always give explantion or create facts later on.
the lore given that way, the alternative ending you get or the reworked scene you see in special edition are just here to cover their total lack of competence and their inability to create anything coherent so they try to hide it by making another ending and changing detail to repair what they fucked up.

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all those scene could have appeared of be made if they didnt waste over 4 episode in recap because they are lazyass.
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Old 2007-06-22, 03:07   Link #124
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I mean post GS/D. Lacus is very much a head of state following that (okay, we don't know her EXACT title, but I'm pretty sure that some Japanese site confirmed that she is on the Council post-GS/D). She has time for Kira.
Yeah, but while Kira was in his "emo beach boy" phase, she had time for him. (And, uh, granted, possibly to run a secret organisation, too.) After GSD, he's well over that phase, so he's not as high maintenance as Athrun "I don't know what uniform I'll put on this morning" Zala.

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Don't see why Cagalli couldn't have time for Athrun. And it seems to me that the implication for the interim of GS-GS/D was that Cagalli and Athrun grew at least a little closer, despite Cagalli running Orb.
I'm sure they had time in the interim to build their relationship, but when things escalated and their lives took them apart, it broke.

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And see, that's my point. Cagalli regressed in GS/D. Circumstances DID tear them apart in GS/D because of the very weird regressions and changes in characters in GS/D. It's like some totally unlearned the lessons of GS.
I wouldn't say she's regressed. It's more like she's been worn down. In GS, she had the recklessness of a child. She was just unaware of all that was going on, and didn't give much thoughts to consequences beyond the ideological. Things were simpler for her back then.

After having to actually wield power, and dealing with politicians rather than soldiers, she's found out the world was much more complicated than she'd thought, and that not all problems could be solved by shooting at them or spouting slogans. I think she started GSD tired, and it only got worse.



As a viewer, I prefer AsuCaga to AsuMey. Precisely because there are more hardships in it. It would be more difficult for Athrun and Cagalli to make it work. (Especially if Athrun rejoins Zaft... again.) If Athrun and Meyrin became a couple, well... It'd just work, nothing to see. And Meyrin herself would become nothing more than "Athrun's girlfriend", because everyone knows main characters need one.

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Old 2007-06-22, 05:45   Link #125
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2) To compare the hug scene with GSD Final Plus, the GSD Edge manga (whose story focused on Athrun's point of view) has the similar hug scene.
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3188/auggace8tp0.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7471/auggace9bl0.jpg
♥there are many scene in Edge of asucaga which can't be any more romatic . but edge show it from a different view so they still might broke up in the Movie. (if people serious thing that asucaga already broke up ... they haven't read enough shojo )

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i concider it lame to make special edition where things change compare to what happen on the TV serie.
they change thing and modify what happen in the TV serie to match some special need they have, they dont have the balls to let it stay the way they first present it because some fans arent please.
I'm surprised that you think that the fandom has so much power.

never considered that fukuda or whoever wasn't pleased with the story, too? it was necessary to modify something since THERE ARE SO MANY ILLOGICAL SCENE!
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Old 2007-06-22, 06:02   Link #126
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But I saw from a screen cap
When athrun first left for zaft he kissed cagalli. in the special edition they changed it so that he just kissed her on the cheek. Why did they do that?? Were they trying to down play their relationship and make them friends not lovers?
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Old 2007-06-22, 07:09   Link #127
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I'm surprised that you think that the fandom has so much power.

never considered that fukuda or whoever wasn't pleased with the story, too? it was necessary to modify something since THERE ARE SO MANY ILLOGICAL SCENE!
why did kira took over the show? (biased here but why do you think fllay died? her haters wanted her dead
if fukuda wasnt please with the story why didnt he spank his wife until she was able to come up with something better.
as for the necessity to change thing i think it s bullshit. it was necessary to do thing right in first place instead of trying to rectify them in special edition.
get your shit right in first place or dont bother doing it to begin with.
this kind of attitude where lazy people think it s ok to do a halfass job since there will prolly be a chance to fix it later is what lead to the steamy pile of sh*t that GSD was and will remain known as.
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Old 2007-06-22, 09:42   Link #128
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For those of you athrun x cagalli , kira , lacus , shin , and that girl he liked whose name i can't remember, meyrin plus sister and ezak fans: i just had to share this link it's a cosplay montage and they truly brought the caracters to life.. !!!! 110 percent:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_W2M...elated&search=

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hahaha japanese student really have too much free time on their hand (and money as well).
i dont know if i should feel embarassed for them or fell proud of them for going all the way in what passionate them.

i guess i should be embarassed since they picked GSD character to cosplay. but respect is due to their hairdresser for managing to get anime haircut out of RL hair...( though they look emo as hell /wrist )

edit : props to the gropping shoot. though i was waiting for the shinn/blondegirl half naked waiting on cloth to dry
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Old 2007-06-22, 10:50   Link #130
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i loved how they changed their eye color and that kira x lacus and athrun x kira in his body guard outfit is amazing...

damien it took me a moment to relize that pose was from the part where shin caught stella...as far as that hairdresser I wish i had their name - athruns haircut and color is amazing not to leave kira out..leaves much to be desired for live action
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Old 2007-06-22, 11:12   Link #131
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♥there are many scene in Edge of asucaga which can't be any more romatic . but edge show it from a different view so they still might broke up in the Movie. (if people serious thing that asucaga already broke up ... they haven't read enough shojo )
Mikyu, as a matter of fact, I have purchased and read all five Edge manga.

The manga showed more positive direction and hope for Asucaga instead of what we watched on TV (before we saw the new ending sequence of GSD Special Edition IV).

In the manga:
1) It shows Athrun's still thinking of and glimpsing at Cagalli before his Saviour was finished by Kira's rage with his Strike Freedom.

2) It has more details and lines between him and Cagalli when he noticed her risking life at front-end to battle against Shinn's Destiny to protect her Orb.

3) Their special hug scene (as shown in GSD Final Plus) had been retained.

4) The manga shows no sign or pic about him thinking of Meyrin at all.

5) During his escape in episode 36, instead of Athrun's himself, BOTH Athrun and Meer escaped to Meyrin's room.

6) There's NO shopping scene with Kira, Lacus, Athrun and Meyrin in Copernius.

7) Before meeting with Meer in a free city, Lacus was accompanied by Kira, injured Athrun and 3 Dom Troopers (no Meyrin at all).

7) Instead of hugging Kira and Lacus during their take off to space, Cagalli was handshaking Lacus and then she got hugged by Athrun all of sudden (as shown in my pics above).

8) After their hug and Archangel's took off to space while Cagalli addressed her public speech against Dullinel, he said that though both Cagalli and himself chose their own roads, he's protecting the day that they will meet again. Temporary separation (due to the war and special circumstance) does not conclude their breakup. Also note the writer might not have been aware of the new GSD Special IV ending sequence with Athrun's wearing Orb uniform before she wrote the ending.

9) At the end of the manga, there's NO 6 peope (Kira, Lacus, Shin, Luna, Athrun and Meyrin) meeting at the tomb and thus NO separate walking scenes at all.

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Old 2007-06-22, 11:50   Link #132
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Are the edge novels available in English?
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Old 2007-06-22, 16:39   Link #133
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Yeah, but while Kira was in his "emo beach boy" phase, she had time for him. (And, uh, granted, possibly to run a secret organisation, too.) After GSD, he's well over that phase, so he's not as high maintenance as Athrun "I don't know what uniform I'll put on this morning" Zala.
Yeah, she had to run TERMINAL. LOL ^_^
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I'm sure they had time in the interim to build their relationship, but when things escalated and their lives took them apart, it broke.
True. And maybe it means that they just can't persevere.
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I wouldn't say she's regressed. It's more like she's been worn down. In GS, she had the recklessness of a child. She was just unaware of all that was going on, and didn't give much thoughts to consequences beyond the ideological. Things were simpler for her back then.

After having to actually wield power, and dealing with politicians rather than soldiers, she's found out the world was much more complicated than she'd thought, and that not all problems could be solved by shooting at them or spouting slogans. I think she started GSD tired, and it only got worse.
Eh, I think if she were to continue to be a head of state she'd have to have some kind of backbone and not constantly cry and be manipulated (to an extent). She had time to grow up, and while the events of GS/D were quite powerful, she still just seemed to not have the strength she used to have. Yes, she may have been tired, but even so, I think it was still a regression of sorts.
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As a viewer, I prefer AsuCaga to AsuMey. Precisely because there are more hardships in it. It would be more difficult for Athrun and Cagalli to make it work. (Especially if Athrun rejoings Zaft... again.) If Athrun and Meyrin became a couple, well... It'd just work, nothing to see. And Meyrin herself would become nothing more than "Athrun's girlfriend", because everyone knows main characters need one.
*approved*

Meyrin seems to be a convenient "out" for the writers. Though I do like her character. ^_^ I want a "Meyrin" for a girlfriend.
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For those of you athrun x cagalli , kira , lacus , shin , and that girl he liked whose name i can't remember, meyrin plus sister and ezak fans: i just had to share this link it's a cosplay montage and they truly brought the caracters to life.. !!!! 110 percent:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_W2M...elated&search=

what do you think???
oh I know their page! they are quite famous.
from the amount of pic of asucaga I would say they're a big asucaga fan as well. I just love the asucaga beach photos! ♥♥♥

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9) At the end of the manga, there's NO walking scene with Kira/Lacus, Shin/Luna and Athrun/Meyrin at all.
could it be that the edge is asucaga centered? because I've never seen any kiraLacus scans T.T
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For those of you athrun x cagalli , kira , lacus , shin , and that girl he liked whose name i can't remember, meyrin plus sister and ezak fans: i just had to share this link it's a cosplay montage and they truly brought the caracters to life.. !!!! 110 percent:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_W2M...elated&search=

what do you think???
All these girls should be awarded for their wonderful GS/GSD costumes and hairdresser. I just wonder if they were participating in some cosplay contest. Or they just did it for fun ony.


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Are the edge novels available in English?
Not do I know. Perhaps, there is a fan club translating them somewhere online. As far as I know, The GSD Edge manga (not novel) is in Japanese (original text), Chinese, and others (I believe French, or something else) but not in English.


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could it be that the edge is asucaga centered? because I've never seen any kiraLacus scans T.T
The Edge manga's story focused on Athrun's point of view. It showed more about his inside feelings for Cagalli. As for Kira and Lacus, they were together most of the time but I don't quite remember reading whole lot of details about this paring in comparison with the pairing for Asucaga.
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Not do I know. Perhaps, there is a fan club translating them somewhere online. As far as I know, The GSD Edge manga (not novel) is in Japanese (original text), Chinese, and others (I believe French, or something else) but not in English.

French I could handle and maybe. Russian . Why is it that English is always last to get translated??

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The Edge manga's story focused on Athrun's point of view. It showed more about his inside feelings for Cagalli. As for Kira and Lacus, they were together most of the time but I don't quite remember reading whole lot of details about this paring in comparison with the pairing for Asucaga.
Based on athrun feelings from the driver edge manga is he in love W/cagalli?? And what else does he say to her duriing the Akatsuki battle with the impulse that is not in the anime?
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Based on athrun feelings from the driver edge manga is he in love W/cagalli?? And what else does he say to her duriing the Akatsuki battle with the impulse that is not in the anime?
The Edge manga focused on Athrun's point of view and thus included his positive feelings for Cagalli; so, yes, he really loves her.

To answer your question, in the manga, when he found out Cagalli's battling against Shin's Destiny, using CIC he demanded her with anxiety to immediately get down and retreat but Cagalli was persistent because she wanted to protect Orb from Shin; and then later, as we saw on TV, at the moment Shinn almost finished her Akatsuki, Athrun screamed out "Cagalli" name.

More, during Morosawa (all Seed series script writer, aka Fukuda's wife) talking about her to-be-released GSD Special Edition in her interview from April Animedia 2006, she made her own comments about the pairing for Athrun and Cagalli.

1) She said Cagalli is very important to Athrun and he will support very important her and that will never change for life.

2) She said even Athrun was surrounded by women, he's not a hula-hula (changeable) man in the relationship section for Athrun and Cagalli.

3) She also mentioned although Athrun and Meyrin were there at that scene but what would become of them remained unknown. Perhaps they would be good combination (not couple) or perhaps they would go to separate roads.

4) After her comments for the Asucaga pairing, the interviewer questioned her that:

"So in no way, both of their love was just a vision, right?"

Then her response to the interviewer:

"They certainly have feeling for each other, but it's still the beginning. For them, they have their own kind of love and these two must find it together. I did not intentionally pull and tear them apart. I like them too so please don't misunderstand me"

1) アスランは確かにカガリのことを大事にしてるし、大変な彼女を支えたいと思っているし、それは 生涯変わらな いと思います

2) 複数の女性が周りにいるからといって彼自身がフラフラしている訳じゃない

3) 「確かに一緒にいましたね、あの場では。でも、この先あの二人の関係がどうなっていくかはわか らない。良い コンビになるかもしれない。でも別な道を行くことになるかもしれないですよ」


4) "決して ふたりの戀が幻だつだわけではないんですよね"

お互いが好きと言う気持ちはうまれたけど、まだ入り口 いうことです 彼らには彼らなりの愛情の形がるはずなんですが
二人はこれを二人で見つけていかなくてはならない いとうことです 二人の仲を裂こうとしていたわけでもなんでもない
私、別にあの二人の仲を引き裂こうとしていたわけでもなんでもありませんし 彼らのこともすきだから書いてますので できればそこは、誤解しないで 頂きたいなあと

The new ending sequence for GSD Special Edition IV with Athrun's wearing Orb uniform is pretty much the answer from Morosawa to her interview listed above; that is, Athrun chose to stay with Orb (Cagalli).

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Old 2007-06-23, 19:50   Link #138
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I love your post boredandsleepy it gives me much hope !!!! Does athrun ever verbaly confess his love for cagalle in the manga?? And in your opinion where do you think they will take the movie?? And do you think if they don't tie up their relationship in the movie that there will be a 3rd season?? and how do the Japanese fans feel about the pairing???
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Cagalli broke up with Athrun because he two-timed her. Hahahaha.
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I'm still against Cagalli and Athrun. Her decision to marry Yuna sealed it for me.
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