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Old 2010-06-25, 18:12   Link #2161
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Actually, if you're referring to Carim's prophecy thing and Verossa's hounds, they're considered a "Rare Skill".

People with a Rare Skill = Carim, Verossa, Hayate, Caro, Lutecia
Btw, how is "Rare Skill" defined and where do they come from?

Carim's is Prophetin Schriften, Verossa's is Unendliche Jagd, Caro and Lutecia are summoners... what's Hayate's?
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Old 2010-06-25, 19:26   Link #2162
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I think it was something about her being a mage knight or having a personal army of 4 or something...
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Old 2010-06-25, 19:52   Link #2163
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Btw, how is "Rare Skill" defined and where do they come from?

Carim's is Prophetin Schriften, Verossa's is Unendliche Jagt, Caro and Lutecia are summoners... what's Hayate's?
Actually, is Caro and Lutecia's summoning rare?

Caro's summoning DRAGONS is a rare ability for summoners.

Hayate's rare skill is being able to use the Tome of the Knight Sky, since it IS a relic from Ancient Belka.
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Old 2010-06-25, 19:53   Link #2164
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Btw, how is "Rare Skill" defined and where do they come from?

Carim's is Prophetin Schriften, Verossa's is Unendliche Jagt, Caro and Lutecia are summoners... what's Hayate's?
Ugh, translating, especially technobabble stuff, is not my territory. :/ I only edit stuff, mate.
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Old 2010-06-26, 04:50   Link #2165
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Oookay, so Hayate's Rare Skill is the ability to use both Ancient Belkan and Mid-Childan system magic. Is that correct to say?
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Old 2010-06-26, 04:54   Link #2166
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Oookay, so Hayate's Rare Skill is the ability to use both Ancient Belkan and Mid-Childan system magic. Is that correct to say?
I think it's more like because she inherited The Book of Darkness [and its abilities], she is able to use its powers as well. Since the book could use other people's powers [summoning dragon, SLB], Hayate can as well.

.... will ask a TLer when I get back in 9+ hours if someone else doesn't come here and confirm. orz passingouttranslations
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Old 2010-06-26, 04:54   Link #2167
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"access" to an assortment of long forgotten ancient(belkan and others) spells catalogued in the Tome of the Night Sky would be the correct way of putting it, rather than "using".

if anything, her Rare Skill is more of being the administrator of an extensive catalogue that gives her access to ancient spells from the old warring eras.
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Old 2010-06-26, 05:47   Link #2168
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if anything, her Rare Skill is more of being the administrator of an extensive catalogue that gives her access to ancient spells from the old warring eras.
To my understanding, that's partially correct, that's half of the point of her Rare Skill, the other part being able to add to that catalogue, if the name of her rare skill is to be taken into account.

The side effect of these is that she's able to execute spells from other magic systems aside from its own. (e.g Mid, and possibly summoning)

IMO it's not wrong to say that Hayate can become a packrat of a myriad of spells through this ability if she wants to, not unlike Orochimaru's stated aim in Naruto, to quote a popular example.

Don't worry Bananoha, no major errors in what you have there.
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Old 2010-06-26, 10:21   Link #2169
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Ugh, translating, especially technobabble stuff, is not my territory. :/ I only edit stuff, mate.
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"access" to an assortment of long forgotten ancient(belkan and others) spells catalogued in the Tome of the Night Sky would be the correct way of putting it, rather than "using".

if anything, her Rare Skill is more of being the administrator of an extensive catalogue that gives her access to ancient spells from the old warring eras.
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To my understanding, that's partially correct, that's half of the point of her Rare Skill, the other part being able to add to that catalogue, if the name of her rare skill is to be taken into account.

The side effect of these is that she's able to execute spells from other magic systems aside from its own. (e.g Mid, and possibly summoning)

IMO it's not wrong to say that Hayate can become a packrat of a myriad of spells through this ability if she wants to, not unlike Orochimaru's stated aim in Naruto, to quote a popular example.

Don't worry Bananoha, no major errors in what you have there.
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Old 2010-06-26, 14:01   Link #2170
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To my understanding, that's partially correct, that's half of the point of her Rare Skill, the other part being able to add to that catalogue, if the name of her rare skill is to be taken into account.

The side effect of these is that she's able to execute spells from other magic systems aside from its own. (e.g Mid, and possibly summoning)

IMO it's not wrong to say that Hayate can become a packrat of a myriad of spells through this ability if she wants to, not unlike Orochimaru's stated aim in Naruto, to quote a popular example.

Don't worry Bananoha, no major errors in what you have there.
Ottojiisan! Question!

.... Isn't eating people's linker cores the only way to add to the catalogue? I don't think our dear rittle Hayate would ever....

Looking at the NanohaWiki to me is how some people look at TVTropes. I kind of get stuck looking at everything except these are runes and not things I can easily comprehend. (屮゜Д゜)屮 WHY I DO DIS???!!!
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Old 2010-06-26, 16:15   Link #2171
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Ottojiisan! Question!

.... Isn't eating people's linker cores the only way to add to the catalogue? I don't think our dear rittle Hayate would ever....
There is that "little" fact that Vivio have inherent ability along that lines that do NOT require linker cores. Just watching how spell is done. So what full master of Tome of the Night Sky can do is interesting question.

PS. Linker Core "eating" as main function of information gathering for non-corrupted BoD look stupid anyway. It's owner would be quickly hunted and killed if it were so, even in Old Belka time... or especially in Old Belka time.
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Old 2010-06-26, 18:34   Link #2172
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There is that "little" fact that Vivio have inherent ability along that lines that do NOT require linker cores. Just watching how spell is done. So what full master of Tome of the Night Sky can do is interesting question.

PS. Linker Core "eating" as main function of information gathering for non-corrupted BoD look stupid anyway. It's owner would be quickly hunted and killed if it were so, even in Old Belka time... or especially in Old Belka time.
Sorry, I'm having a little trouble understanding what's going on here.

Yes, Hayate could learn how to use someone else's ability, but that's not using it as part of her Rare Skill?

Are we talking about Vivio being able to use Adult Mode? Or how because she has the blood of the Sankt Kaiser, she inherited the same abilities, most notably the Sankt Kaiser armour? Because they had some fun times back then, gene splicing and whatnot.

PS - Maybe that's how it got corrupted.

Which reminds me of someone's theory on 2ch that I took a peak at while trying to see if there were any image leaks of Memory;14. Person's theory is that there were 4 major rulers back then.

聖王=体・・・聖王の鎧
覇王=技・・・格闘武術覇王流(カイザーアーツ)
冥王=心・・・不明
夜天王=知・・・闇の書

Sankt Kaiser = Body... Sankt Kaiser's Armour
Hegemon = Technique... Kaiser Arts
Meiou? = Heart... Unknown
Master of the Night Sky = Wisdom... The Book of Darkness

HEARTTTTTT. I thought it was cute.
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Old 2010-06-26, 22:50   Link #2173
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.... Isn't eating people's linker cores the only way to add to the catalogue? I don't think our dear rittle Hayate would ever....
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There is that "little" fact that Vivio have inherent ability along that lines that do NOT require linker cores. Just watching how spell is done. So what full master of Tome of the Night Sky can do is interesting question.

PS. Linker Core "eating" as main function of information gathering for non-corrupted BoD look stupid anyway. It's owner would be quickly hunted and killed if it were so, even in Old Belka time... or especially in Old Belka time.
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Sorry, I'm having a little trouble understanding what's going on here.

Yes, Hayate could learn how to use someone else's ability, but that's not using it as part of her Rare Skill?

Are we talking about Vivio being able to use Adult Mode? Or how because she has the blood of the Sankt Kaiser, she inherited the same abilities, most notably the Sankt Kaiser armour? Because they had some fun times back then, gene splicing and whatnot.
More like what al103 means is that there are other ways to learning a spell besides absorbing a linker core, and that there's more to her rare skill than what has been shown so far?

I won't rule that out IMO, since the Tome of the Night Sky was originally intended to archive spells instead of outright draining a linker core (which sounds like an extreme end of what it can do).

Another possibility is that given that the linker core is the "organ" which enables spells to happen in the universe, and connecting that fact with the ability to activate spells from other systems, the Tome can replicate another magic system's (Mid's) mode of mana linking artificially just like a heart-lung machine, which definitely requires an existing linker core to model off of, just that the Tome is supposed to return the core relatively intact after replicating said spell's linking conditions or something.
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聖王=体・・・聖王の鎧
覇王=技・・・格闘武術覇王流(カイザーアーツ)
冥王=心・・・不明
夜天王=知・・・闇の書

Sankt Kaiser = Body... Sankt Kaiser's Armour
Hegemon = Technique... Kaiser Arts
Meiou? = Heart... Unknown
Master of the Night Sky = Wisdom... The Book of Darkness

HEARTTTTTT. I thought it was cute.
Fitting... I must say. Giving artificially constructed being the power of "soul". Fic writers will have a ball with this.
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Old 2010-06-26, 23:03   Link #2174
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.... If only we knew what Hayate could really do.

Force, please deliver. Maybe answer some of our questions. Or no, you'd create more. -w-;
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Fitting... I must say. Giving artificially constructed being the power of "soul". Fic writers will have a ball with this.
I think they're having a ball with Hayate could potentially summon.

.... SUMMON DRAGONS AT THAT.
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Old 2010-06-27, 00:58   Link #2175
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How would a fight between Precia and Signum go? Who would be most likely to win if both went all-out?

"You caused unforgivable pain and suffering to your own daughter! To the girl who helped my mistress purge the Book of Darkness of its corruption and free us Knights! Who I and my mistress owe our lives to!"
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Old 2010-06-27, 01:09   Link #2176
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How would a fight between Precia and Signum go? Who would be most likely to win if both went all-out?

"You caused unforgivable pain and suffering to your own daughter! To the girl who helped my mistress purge the Book of Darkness of its corruption and free us Knights! Who I and my mistress owe our lives to!"
While not really the kind of question that should be asked here, I'd give it to Signum. We ARE talking about someone who can go toe-to-toe with the White Devil.
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PS. Linker Core "eating" as main function of information gathering for non-corrupted BoD look stupid anyway. It's owner would be quickly hunted and killed if it were so, even in Old Belka time... or especially in Old Belka time.
I am, too, pretty sure that the Book has some non-violent but slower methods to absorb spells. Linker Core extraction is probably just the fastest of them, which the Wolkenritter had to resort to out of fear that Hayate dies before they can complete the Book. IIRC they have first wasted at least four months doing nothing (granted, on Hayate's orders) before they realized the Book is killing her. So they had to use violent methods to catch up instead of possibly more stealthy and effective approaches they would have had otherwise.

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While not really the kind of question that should be asked here, I'd give it to Signum. We ARE talking about someone who can go toe-to-toe with the White Devil.
Unless Precia cheats... or uses efficient military tactics, as some prefer to put it.
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Unless Precia cheats... or uses efficient military tactics, as some prefer to put it.
I suppose it'd depend on Precia's health--after all, she can still go "all out" in the state we see her in in the show... it'd just kill her too, however. Ultimately, though, we know that some mages aren't exactly practical for combat, like Hayate and Verossa. Precia herself may be one such mage, and we don't know the extent of her combat abilities.
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I am, too, pretty sure that the Book has some non-violent but slower methods to absorb spells. Linker Core extraction is probably just the fastest of them, which the Wolkenritter had to resort to out of fear that Hayate dies before they can complete the Book. IIRC they have first wasted at least four months doing nothing (granted, on Hayate's orders) before they realized the Book is killing her. So they had to use violent methods to catch up instead of possibly more stealthy and effective approaches they would have had otherwise.
Or, more simply, the "suck your Linker Core dry" function is entirely part of the "corrupted" nature of the Book, that it has to be done that way. Indeed, I could take a wild shot at this and suggest that the initial corruption happened when some owner way-back-when decided that they wanted a faster method of absorbing spell knowledge from people and invented the Linker Core drain (essentially by "reversing" the standard Unison Device function), which pretty well shot everything to heck (for example, perhaps the violent insanity of the defense program occurred when too much "leakage" from the psyches of those absorbed remained behind...or the "reset to zero pages" problem was created because the download-Linker-Core data method was imperfect...things like that). Turning your data storage system into a life-sucking monstrosity never really goes well.
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What honorifics did Nanoha use when addressing the Forwards? I can't remember, but then again, I can't remember her addressing them by name either for some reason... but I also haven't listened to the sound stages yet, either.
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