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Old 2011-08-03, 01:14   Link #3401
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The Devices demanded the Cartridge Systems, not the lolis.
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Old 2011-08-03, 01:17   Link #3402
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The Devices demanded the Cartridge Systems, not the lolis.
Right. Clearly the Devices are on the top of the chain of command, forcing the Bureau to obey them without question.
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Old 2011-08-03, 01:40   Link #3403
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Old 2011-08-03, 01:43   Link #3404
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RH would make Skynet look like a p***y

Question: What are the known classes of TSAB ships (including small ones for transport purposes)?
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Old 2011-08-03, 01:49   Link #3405
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RH would make Skynet look like a p***y

Question: What are the known classes of TSAB ships (including small ones for transport purposes)?
Of TSAB ships, we only know of the L-class (Arthra), LS-class (Wolfram), and the XV-Class (Claudia). I don't think the civilian ships have designated classes.
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Old 2011-08-03, 02:01   Link #3406
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How about troop transports? Do they have anything besides the METAL BOXES! helicopters?
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Old 2011-08-03, 02:11   Link #3407
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AFAIK, we only know about the ugly roflcopters.
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Old 2011-08-03, 02:54   Link #3408
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Right. "Muggle" just means "knows nada about magic".



From the same logic you said: Hayate never practiced any magic before the merger, hence, she was a muggle. Also, I have discussed the topic of the origins of Hayate's mad power elsewhere and found two arguments for it being acquired: first is the stochastic likelihood, of two extremely powerful mages being born in the same city in the same year in a world normally devoid of magic.
The question was specifically on power and NOT skill. So cut it down, you were wrong.

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Second are Graham's words in episode 10 (when he explains about how he knows Hayate), which seem to imply it was he who somehow tricked the book into accepting Hayate as mistress.
No, they do not. They only thing they mean that when he found book in hands of lonely girl without friends or relatives he did thought it as sign to go with plan.

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Which, in turn, would imply that Hayate's Linker Core (and she had one, see Sound Stages) didn't have to be as powerful as the previous masters'.
Also even if it were so it does NOT mean that Hayate was less powerful.
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AFAIK, we only know about the ugly roflcopters.
That can go suborbital under 15 minutes. I do not care how they look because it DO make them very cool.
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Old 2011-08-03, 03:08   Link #3410
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That can go suborbital under 15 minutes.
When did that happen? the helicopter I remember was nowhere as fast as the mages (or maybe that's because of poor animation)

While we're at it, has it even been specified just how fast could the mages go? Subsonic? Supersonic? Hypersonic?...Plotsonic?
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Old 2011-08-03, 03:32   Link #3411
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1. IIRC there is no such thing in Nanohaverse, only different levels of power
Regius flat-out said he had no magic.

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While it's true cartridge system do exist at the time it isn't used conventionaly by Mid-style mages, only full trained Belkan knights were able to use it safely
Quint wasn't a fully trained Belkan knight, so we know that's not true.

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econd are Graham's words in episode 10 (when he explains about how he knows Hayate), which seem to imply it was he who somehow tricked the book into accepting Hayate as mistress. Which, in turn, would imply that Hayate's Linker Core (and she had one, see Sound Stages) didn't have to be as powerful as the previous masters'.
One of the sound stages also explains how it was Reinforce that chose Hayate though, because she and the guardians were tired of the constant wars.

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While we're at it, has it even been specified just how fast could the mages go? Subsonic? Supersonic? Hypersonic?...Plotsonic?
If you're willing to believe the visuals, we've seen Fate break the sound barrier at least once.
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Old 2011-08-03, 03:42   Link #3412
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Quint wasn't a fully trained Belkan knight, so we know that's not true.
Agreed, but Quint was no ordinary person tough. I just wonder how damn strong she is to wear both Revolver Knuckles regularly when both of her daughters, a pair of powerfull combat cyborgs, can't manage to do that for more than a couple of hours. Even if she isn't a named Knight she surely has the strenght and resilence of one. And thus, able to withstand the stress of having TWO cartridge powered gauntlets.
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Old 2011-08-03, 04:04   Link #3413
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Yes, because only knights can be strong and resilient.

My point is, we know cartridges were in use by Bureau personnel prior to A's, and not just limited to Belkan knights.
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Regius flat-out said he had no magic.
His phrase could just as well mean that his magical reserve is so low that (combat) training is not viable. People tend to simplify things in speech. (actually "this? magic? It's just normal day to day stuff, I don't have power to cast real magic" while rare is still present in fiction and can easily be case here)
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Of TSAB ships, we only know of the L-class (Arthra), LS-class (Wolfram), and the XV-Class (Claudia). I don't think the civilian ships have designated classes.
Moreover, I think it there was some distinction between "investigative vessels" like Arthra and Estia and space battleships like Claudia and Wolfram. Investigative vessels don't have much of onboard weaponry, so Arthra had to be retrofitted with Arc-en-ciel, while battleships seem to have some cannons by default (Chrono's fleet in StrikerS, Woflram's Augusto).
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Old 2011-08-03, 10:28   Link #3416
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Yes, because only knights can be strong and resilient.

My point is, we know cartridges were in use by Bureau personnel prior to A's, and not just limited to Belkan knights.
Ok, until Fate and Nanoha came into the scene no ortodox Mid-Style mage has used cartridges before. Only trained Belkan Knights and Modern Belkan mages(Quint is classified as one of the latter). It where Nanoha and Fate, or more accurately, Raising Heart and Bardiche, the ones that pioneered the use of cartridge system on intelligent devices. And after some years of research after that, new mages can enjoy the benefit of having a safe cartridge system, Cross Mirage is the most identifiable example.
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Old 2011-08-03, 10:42   Link #3417
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Ok, until Fate and Nanoha came into the scene no ortodox Mid-Style mage has used cartridges before. .
Fanon alert. What Mari said was that a Intelligent device was usually too fragile for cartridge use.

This does mean that Cartridge for midstyle use was, while uncommon, not unknown.
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Fanon alert. What Mari said was that a Intelligent device was usually too fragile for cartridge use.

This does mean that Cartridge for midstyle use was, while uncommon, not unknown.
Heck, didn't AMY recognize the part request right away?
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Old 2011-08-03, 10:59   Link #3419
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Fanon alert. What Mari said was that a Intelligent device was usually too fragile for cartridge use.

This does mean that Cartridge for midstyle use was, while uncommon, not unknown.
Oh man! BUSTED! xD

Good job pal.
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Old 2011-08-03, 11:48   Link #3420
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Moreover, I think it there was some distinction between "investigative vessels" like Arthra and Estia and space battleships like Claudia and Wolfram. Investigative vessels don't have much of onboard weaponry, so Arthra had to be retrofitted with Arc-en-ciel, while battleships seem to have some cannons by default (Chrono's fleet in StrikerS, Woflram's Augusto).
The LS-class Wolfram seems to be a combination of the two--while it looks like the XV-class warship, when I asked about them in this same thread I was told that the LS-class was still half an XV's size. So it's likely the L-class was replaced by the LS-class.
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