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Old 2008-09-14, 11:03   Link #821
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Ah, Accous, well they're the intelligence department of the TSAB. They find out where the people they are looking for are hiding and what they are planning, investigating possible Lost Logia, and so on.
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Old 2008-09-14, 11:08   Link #822
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Old 2008-09-14, 11:41   Link #823
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Ah, Accous, well they're the intelligence department of the TSAB. They find out where the people they are looking for are hiding and what they are planning, investigating possible Lost Logia, and so on.
So basically put they are the "CIA" of the TSAB?
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Old 2008-09-15, 07:57   Link #824
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While searching Nanohawiki for some info on the Saint Church, it has come to my attention that the Belkan/German term for 聖王 there is actually Heiliger Kaiser ("Holy King/Emperor"). A check on episode 25 (2:08 of this link) showed that the Cradle also addressed its master by the same term.

The irritating thing is that on nanoha.com, Adult-Viv is labeled as the Sankt Kaiser instead.

While the meanings are essentially similar and only nitpickers like me would be disgusted over the lack of consistency, I thought maybe this little bit of info might be useful for anyone interested.
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Old 2008-09-15, 09:45   Link #825
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Hmm? But 聖 translates to saint, doesn't it?

I mean, the Cradle can be explained that it was merely referring to its master in a more formal rather then official way.
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Old 2008-09-15, 10:11   Link #826
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Hmm? But 聖 translates to saint, doesn't it?

I mean, the Cradle can be explained that it was merely referring to its master in a more formal rather then official way.
Not sure about Japanese, but in Chinese 聖 can mean both holy and saint (though I expect the same from Japanese as well).

And saints are supposed to be holy wo/men, though a critical review of their lives sometimes prove these people to fail badly in moral examinations =3.
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Old 2008-09-15, 10:22   Link #827
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Double checked, 聖 can mean both in Japanese as well.
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Old 2008-09-16, 14:12   Link #828
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Just double checking...

In StrikerS, just where is Hayate's new Tome of the Night Sky stored? =/
Is it stored inside Schwertkreuz, or inside of Hayate herself?

Thanks in advance.:3
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Old 2008-09-16, 14:18   Link #829
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Considering it is a standard storage device, I would say inside Schwertkruez.

Notice how in episode 10 she grabs Schwertkruez before summoning the tome, for example. It doesn't prove anything, but it does support it being stored inside Schwertkruez.
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Old 2008-09-16, 14:24   Link #830
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I guess I'll go with that, then.:3 Jimmy said the same.

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Old 2008-09-16, 17:30   Link #831
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Found a couple interesting things at NanohaWiki.


Schwertkreuz

はやての大規模魔法に耐え得る頑強さを確保するため、AIもカートリッジシステムも搭載しないシンプルな構 造になっている。
なのは達のインテリジェントデバイスやシグナム達のアームドデバイスとは異なり、ストレージ機能も無い、た だの魔法発動媒体に過ぎない。(ただし、ストレージデバイスである「夜天の書」があるのでシュベルトクロイ ツにはストレージ機能は必要無い。)

To guarantee that it would be able to sustain the power of Hayate's wide area magic it was given a simple structure without an AI or a Cartridge System.
It's not like Nanoha and the others Intelligent Devices or like Signum and the others Armed Devices, nor does it have a storage function. It's nothing more than a medium to invoke magic. (That's because with the "Book of the Night Sky" being a Storage Device a storage function for the Schwertkreuz was not neccesary.)


Book of the Night Sky

はやてが自分の記憶野にない魔法を使用する場合、ここからの読み込みが必要となるため、発動にタイムラグが 生じる。

For Hayate to use magic not in her own field of memory, it is necessary for her to read into the book, which in turn creates a time lag in the spell's invocation. Ew, poor phrasing. :X


So perhaps the book is actually the book?
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Old 2008-09-16, 17:48   Link #832
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Found a couple interesting things at NanohaWiki.


Schwertkreuz

はやての大規模魔法に耐え得る頑強さを確保するため、AIもカートリッジシステムも搭載しないシンプルな構 造になっている。
なのは達のインテリジェントデバイスやシグナム達のアームドデバイスとは異なり、ストレージ機能も無い、た だの魔法発動媒体に過ぎない。(ただし、ストレージデバイスである「夜天の書」があるのでシュベルトクロイ ツにはストレージ機能は必要無い。)

To guarantee that it would be able to sustain the power of Hayate's wide area magic it was given a simple structure without an AI or a Cartridge System.
It's not like Nanoha and the others Intelligent Devices or like Signum and the others Armed Devices, nor does it have a storage function. It's nothing more than a medium to invoke magic. (That's because with the "Book of the Night Sky" being a Storage Device a storage function for the Schwertkreuz was not neccesary.)
It makes sense... And no problem with that matter too. The only thing is... Does having no storage function mean the new Tome can't be stored in it or not? More ambiguity from the producers?! D:


EDIT: On second thought, it might just be called Storage Function referring to how Storage Devices work. but what the heck.

Still!

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DAMN YOU, 7ARCS!!!

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はやてが自分の記憶野にない魔法を使用する場合、ここからの読み込みが必要となるため、発動にタイムラグが 生じる。

For Hayate to use magic not in her own field of memory, it is necessary for her to read into the book, which in turn creates a time lag in the spell's invocation. Ew, poor phrasing. :X
Ooh... So she can still cast her other inherited spells as long as she has them memorized... >:3 I could use this.

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So perhaps the book is actually the book?
Nah. More like she needs a quick reference since I doubt she could memorize all and recite the sheer number of spells from the original Tome at short notice.XD

Though there's no mention with regards to other restrictions on the new Tome. Exceelleeeent... >:3


Thanks for the info, dokupan!
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Old 2008-09-16, 21:43   Link #833
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Ooh... So she can still cast her other inherited spells as long as she has them memorized... >:3 I could use this.
Somehow I think spell casting is more complex than that... knowing how to cast spell-X doesn't always imply being able to use spell-X.

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Nah. More like she needs a quick reference since I doubt she could memorize all and recite the sheer number of spells from the original Tome at short notice.XD
Somehow I doubt she could memorize all of the spells in the book.
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Old 2008-09-17, 01:56   Link #834
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Hm... so there's three components to a device - storing the structure of the magical spells, supporting the mage during the actual casting of the spells, and boosting the power of the mage's spells.

Raising Heart fills all three roles, but Hayate's devices don't. In a way, it makes sense. A lot of Hayate's spells are complicated, slow-casting ritual magic, and she has a much larger variety of them than the other characters, so it's not a surprise that she can profit from a device with a heavy emphasis on spell storage and support. At the same time, those spells are already high in magical output (to the point of ridiculousness?), so a separate device to facilitate the actual casting makes sense. Furthermore, because the staff's not a sentient device, Hayate can run it into the ground if she has to, and just swap it out like a worn-out cannon barrel after things are done.

So what's Rein's function? Hayate says she helps control, but we don't really know if Hayate needs the help or not; it's entirely possible that she's mostly redundant for Hayate's own skill set, which would mean having her merge with Vita or Signum is a better use of her talents. But I dunno...
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Old 2008-09-17, 02:39   Link #835
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In the second episode, Hayate admits that her control is on the low side without support, and later on she also needs help from Long Arch in accuracy. Rein usually helps her with that while in Unison.
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Old 2008-09-17, 03:18   Link #836
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Hayate specialises in using big-ass spells, which are normally hard to control. For Nanoha and Fate, Raising Heart and Bardiche helps them to off-set this disadvantage by helping them to target as per their functions as Intelligent Devices.

On the other hand, Buch von Dunkelheit and Schwertkreuz are Magical Tome and Armed Devices respectively, both of which are are not 'Intelligent'. Therefore, Hayate has to control her spells by herself, which is very taxing, as she has to calculations and charging of the spell all by herself. Having Rein, who is sentient, who plays the part that Raising Heart and Bardiche plays, means that she is helping Hayate with the minor details(such as targetting) so that she(Hayate) can focus on her spells.
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Old 2008-09-17, 04:30   Link #837
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Nanoha doesn't use RH for control, she control everything by herself.

*points to A's eps 1*
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Old 2008-09-17, 12:12   Link #838
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Correction, Nanoha may not be reliant on RH, but she obviously helps with Nanoha's control. In A's episode 1 she struggles to control one Divine Shooter without RH's help. In season one she commonly had between 2 and 4 flying around when she was using RH. Never mind the eight rounds she controls with Axel Shooter.
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Old 2008-09-17, 12:47   Link #839
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Been poking around NanohaWiki and found some more stuff on the Schwertkreuz. It has, like, 3 different articles. X<

(These only reaffirm what we already know/have guessed at but you can never have too much information, amirite? :B)

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一般的なデバイスのように魔法管制・記録能力はほとんど無く、杖本体は加速・圧縮などの魔力サポートのみを 行っている。都築氏によると「単なる砲身」とのこと。
この理由は不明だが敢えて推定すると、はやての場合には、魔導書本体がストレージとなり、融合したリインフ ォースが管制をしているため、一般的なデバイスの機能が不要なのではないかと推測される。

Unlike the commonly-used devices it has very little magic control or record(ing) ability. It's structure is meant only to offer magic support such as acceleration and compression. According to Tsuzuki it is "merely a gun barrel."
The reason behind this is unknown, however one can assume that, with a magical tome's structure being meant for storage, and that when in unison with Reinforce it is she who manages control, the functions of commonly-used devices would not be necessary for Hayate.

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So that would explain Rein's purpose.
(Mind you, this article was written for A's (hence why it says 'Reinforce' rather that 'Reinforce II') but it's probably still the same nowadays.)

Still nothing on where the new Book Tome of the Night Sky is stored though. :/
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Old 2008-09-17, 20:52   Link #840
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Isn't floating in hammerspace enough? That's what I use for tome devices, which I have lots of.
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