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Old 2012-01-05, 23:00   Link #2541
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^ Problem is that only those whose cores or powers where absorbed/part of the Book of Darkness got fragments. That's the reason Chrono or the Lieze Twins never get one and according to the plot Precia and Linith were created from Fate's memories.
Yeah... too bad there's no Dark Piece of those two...

But there was a Dark Piece Hayate and Will of the Book of Darkness as far as I remembered...

Dark Piece Hayate wanted to have a warm-up XD (in 4koma, cosplay (NSFW, the links))
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Old 2012-01-05, 23:06   Link #2542
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^ Problem is that only those whose cores or powers where absorbed/part of the Book of Darkness got fragments. That's the reason Chrono or the Lieze Twins never get one and according to the plot Precia and Linith were created from Fate's memories.
But there's a Dark Piece of pre-Nanoha Yuuno, as a human being rather than a ferret.

Is he supposed to originate from Nanoha's memories anyway, because his core wasn't absorbed either.
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Old 2012-01-05, 23:07   Link #2543
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But there's a Dark Piece of pre-Nanoha Yuuno, as a human being rather than a ferret.

Is he supposed to originate from Nanoha's memories anyway, because his core wasn't absorbed either.
Probably xD
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Old 2012-01-05, 23:10   Link #2544
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Hah! Then she DOES see him as a boy, not a ferret!


More seriously, I'm not entirely satisfied with that answer. Though I honestly can't think of a better one, as the only other way to handle the plothole is to retcon A's so that Yuuno got his core drained.
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Old 2012-01-05, 23:12   Link #2545
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Hah! Then she DOES see him as a boy, not a ferret!
I've thinked that becomes clear after the hilarious scene when Yuuno revealed his true form for the first time onscreen xD!(even the more serious MOVIE 1st left that little gem mostly untouched xD).
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Old 2012-01-05, 23:14   Link #2546
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Tell that to the number of people joking otherwise.

I haven't actually seen the phrase "Pet Zoned" used anywhere, but it neatly encapsulates the fan idea.
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Old 2012-01-06, 00:01   Link #2547
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Probably xD
I knew it... there was supposed to be a Dark Piece Amitie and Dark Piece Kyrie...
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Old 2012-01-06, 00:16   Link #2548
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^ Problem is that only those whose cores or powers where absorbed/part of the Book of Darkness got fragments.
That makes no sense. there are dark piece of Vivio, Ernheart,Thoma, and Lily running around too.
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Old 2012-01-06, 00:44   Link #2549
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That makes no sense. there are dark piece of Vivio, Ernheart,Thoma, and Lily running around too.
Or the first game lied in regards of this or the "Time Travel Method" and/or the awakening of U-D has something to do with that xD
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robots don';t have souls, obviously!

until they cast their spirit commands
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Old 2012-01-06, 09:14   Link #2551
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lol robots have souls.

Amitie's hotblooded Spiral Power proves it.
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Old 2012-01-06, 19:05   Link #2552
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Okay, new topic: Gathering/Accumulation/Breaker-type Spells!

How hard is it to learn these things?

Vivio knows Restrict Lock, Teanna learned Restrict Lock and Starlight Breaker, nine-year Miura has Starbright Blade...

Vivio is possibly more talented than her mother in various ways... true, she can't fly, but she hasn't needed to learn how. She's not hunting Jewel Seed monsters or fighting an aerial combat mage for Lost Logia, and she lives in a city where unauthorized civilian flight is a crime.

Teanna is less powerful, though "power" and "capability" are different talents. She must have at least some talent at Illusions and Shooting magic to be as good as she is with both.

Where Miura stands in terms of talent, either power or capability, is unclear.


Just how powerful do you have to be to have a chance of learning Mana Accumulation, and do you need a particular talent to do so?

If not, why isn't it more widely practiced?

Should we assume that Chrono has such a skill, but that he has not yet been faced with an on-screen situation in which to use it?

Might Yuuno have the ability to gather all ambient spent mana into a battery he can use to temporarily fuel a very strong defensive barrier?
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Old 2012-01-06, 19:21   Link #2553
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Apparently not all "Breaker" spells have something to do with mana-recollection, or at least i don't remember Fate's Plasma Zamber Braker being that kind of spell. Like the name indicates "Breaker" probably sugguest to the spell's capability of demolishing any defense and deal a humongous amount of damage(Fate's Lightning MCA and piercing power from Bardiche's Zamber form can allude to this theory).

Mana recollection seems to be a known ability in Mid-Childa but not an easy one to use. Teana only learned to do that after finished her formal trainer as a forward. It was stated that a 9-year older like Nanoha shouldn't be able to use it like she do with Starlight Breaker and it's also stated that Miura is an underdog with enormous potential.

It was more or less implied that Teana can recollect mana faster than Nanoha but also her full capacity is lower than the one of The Ace of Aces. This probably means that the caster's mana pool have something to do with this kind of spells and as such it's usefullness varies depending on the mage's capacity and the circunstances. (Teana can shoot a SLB faster which is an advantage if she manage to hit her target first, and advantage that Nanoha lacks but if she manage to set up things to have enough time to gather a full SLB then she'll be able to unleash hell on the battlefield).
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Old 2012-01-06, 19:36   Link #2554
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Fate fueled her Breaker with a lightning bolt summoned from the storm overhead. So she didn't need to collect mana.

Perhaps Signum could stand in the middle of an inferno and suck up all of the flames to enhance the power of her Sturmfalken?
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Old 2012-01-06, 19:57   Link #2555
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Perhaps Signum could stand in the middle of an inferno and suck up all of the flames to enhance the power of her Sturmfalken?
With Agito maybe but by herself that's dubious, the nature of her Fire MCA is a bit phonier than Fate's Lightning MCA. She can fuel flames but i doubt Signum will be able to "recollect" or "control" fire not generated by her own magic. As Cypha demonstrated, Fire MCA have numerous limitations that makes it pretty inferior to Lightning MCA.
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I don't know what Cypha said about L-MCA, but Fate has never controlled electricity.

She manipulated weather and provided a lightning rod for a thunderbolt to strike (Bardiche), but that's taking advantage of how electricity works rather than controlling how it behaves.

Other than that she just generates lightning and adds it to her attacks.
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Old 2012-01-07, 04:12   Link #2557
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Okay, new topic: Gathering/Accumulation/Breaker-type Spells!

How hard is it to learn these things?

Vivio knows Restrict Lock, Teanna learned Restrict Lock and Starlight Breaker, nine-year Miura has Starbright Blade...

Vivio is possibly more talented than her mother in various ways... true, she can't fly, but she hasn't needed to learn how. She's not hunting Jewel Seed monsters or fighting an aerial combat mage for Lost Logia, and she lives in a city where unauthorized civilian flight is a crime.

Teanna is less powerful, though "power" and "capability" are different talents. She must have at least some talent at Illusions and Shooting magic to be as good as she is with both.

Where Miura stands in terms of talent, either power or capability, is unclear.


Just how powerful do you have to be to have a chance of learning Mana Accumulation, and do you need a particular talent to do so?

If not, why isn't it more widely practiced?

Should we assume that Chrono has such a skill, but that he has not yet been faced with an on-screen situation in which to use it?

Might Yuuno have the ability to gather all ambient spent mana into a battery he can use to temporarily fuel a very strong defensive barrier?
You shouldn't say Vivio "can't fly" cause in GOD she was "flying", thanks to Chris.
She should be able to fly, but she just did not learn how to yet.
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Old 2012-01-07, 04:30   Link #2558
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bah, kids and their devices these days... xd
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Old 2012-01-07, 05:15   Link #2559
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How does the Blaster System work exactly?
Does it like, say Kaioken from Dragon Ball?
Also, were there any additional changes when Hayate used it? (Like how Nanoha gained Blaster bits)
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Old 2012-01-07, 05:53   Link #2560
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You shouldn't say Vivio "can't fly" cause in GOD she was "flying", thanks to Chris.
She should be able to fly, but she just did not learn how to yet.
Like how Nanoha at first flew thanks to Raising Heart, then.

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Apparently not all "Breaker" spells have something to do with mana-recollection, or at least i don't remember Fate's Plasma Zamber Braker being that kind of spell. Like the name indicates "Breaker" probably sugguest to the spell's capability of demolishing any defense and deal a humongous amount of damage(Fate's Lightning MCA and piercing power from Bardiche's Zamber form can allude to this theory).

Mana recollection seems to be a known ability in Mid-Childa but not an easy one to use. Teana only learned to do that after finished her formal trainer as a forward. It was stated that a 9-year older like Nanoha shouldn't be able to use it like she do with Starlight Breaker and it's also stated that Miura is an underdog with enormous potential.

It was more or less implied that Teana can recollect mana faster than Nanoha but also her full capacity is lower than the one of The Ace of Aces. This probably means that the caster's mana pool have something to do with this kind of spells and as such it's usefullness varies depending on the mage's capacity and the circunstances. (Teana can shoot a SLB faster which is an advantage if she manage to hit her target first, and advantage that Nanoha lacks but if she manage to set up things to have enough time to gather a full SLB then she'll be able to unleash hell on the battlefield).
No, according to Vivid, taking in and condensing all surrounding magic power in one big attack is exactly what a Breaker-type attack is. Fate's lightning bolt thingy must have been her way of doing it.

And one's mana capacity being key to this is not really surprising. A breaker-type attack may be collecting mana from the surrounding air, but it's still the mage's body that channels it into an attack. It's like filling a water balloon, sure your water supply may be the entire ocean, but you're still limited to the size of your balloon. You can stretch it, but only to a certain limit before it tears.
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