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Old 2012-01-27, 16:07   Link #2621
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Old 2012-02-02, 22:07   Link #2622
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How would the series have been different without a stun setting?
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Old 2012-02-02, 22:29   Link #2623
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How would the series have been different without a stun setting?
Quite different. Fate would be dead, for one--like in dc's "Breaker" fic's beginning.
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Old 2012-02-02, 22:50   Link #2624
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Or Nanoha would be dead. With no stun setting, and her desire to help Fate, she might hold back with weaker shots.
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Old 2012-02-02, 22:56   Link #2625
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Or Nanoha would be dead. With no stun setting, and her desire to help Fate, she might hold back with weaker shots.
The Wolkenritter managed to get away with holding back while using lethal weaponry so it's not necessarily impossible.
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Old 2012-02-03, 09:11   Link #2626
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Hmm a weird question is that how does the Saint Cradle work if it has an AMF?.....
Well assuming it does rely on something other then well...magic..
(Off topic is that what language is the Saint Cradle in?)
Also, then how are gadget drones powered...including the type IVs ....Hmmm
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Old 2012-02-03, 12:36   Link #2627
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AMF de-links magic spells, it doesn't make magic go away. If it uses raw magical power it should be unaffected.
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Old 2012-02-03, 15:02   Link #2628
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From what I understand of magic. you can create a particle of any size, the more dense it is, the more powerful it is. Also this would likely mimic atomic structures in a carbon sort of way, only in that you can have the particles connect to give them more physical (steel as opposed to stone) properties. This way, you don't always have to maintain its form. Magic delinking would break the bonds here or make it hard to maintain them.
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Old 2012-02-03, 16:53   Link #2629
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AMF de-links magic spells, it doesn't make magic go away. If it uses raw magical power it should be unaffected.
To help make sense of this:

A machine can use mana for fuel, which it either converts into electricity, or which its physical hardware links together to produce its designed result.

AMF has no effect on electronics, and it cannot delink hardware.

The Zero Effect of the Eclipse Virus is different, as it can disrupt electronics as well as unlink spells. Perhaps it also corrodes physical matter; we know it harms organic matter.
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Old 2012-02-03, 16:57   Link #2630
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The Zero Effect of the Eclipse Virus is different, as it can disrupt electronics as well as unlink spells. Perhaps it also corrodes physical matter; we know it harms organic matter.
Cypha's Divider-944 have the specific ability to corrode inorganic matter to make it easier to cut. However we don't know if this an ability that can be willingly reproduced on any EC-Driver.
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Old 2012-02-03, 19:44   Link #2631
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That might also simply be a radically more pronounced version of a common matter-eroding power.

They all have remarkable regeneration, but Cypha's is also especially powerful, yes?
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Old 2012-02-03, 19:46   Link #2632
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Incidentally, using machines to physically link mana into spells or spell-like effects might be how Inherent Skills work.
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Old 2012-02-03, 22:46   Link #2633
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That might also simply be a radically more pronounced version of a common matter-eroding power.

They all have remarkable regeneration, but Cypha's is also especially powerful, yes?
Yup, it's somehow implied that Cypha and Deville's regeneration powers are above the regular Eclipse standards. That Dego guy look very suffering and troubled after Veyron rips his arm off while Cypha barely makes a sarcastic complaint after having her own totally chopper off.
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Old 2012-02-04, 04:25   Link #2634
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Incidentally, using machines to physically link mana into spells or spell-like effects might be how Inherent Skills work.
Inherent Skills were also said to be using different energy.
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Old 2012-03-01, 21:46   Link #2635
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Do you think TSAB has 'alternative' technology other than Magic/Mana-relating technology?
It sounds like I talked seriously(If I did) over the 'Anime', but I don't think it is wise to rely on only 'single' side.
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>>What if there is some way to knock out the Magic-Driven technology similar as EMP's effect.
>>What if there is some deadly skills, such as Dark Archon's Feedback which draining a target's energy and deals damage equal to the amount of the energy drained.
>>What if there is way to nullify/'jamming' Mana 'completly', which is even superior than AMF of The Saint's Cradle.

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Old 2012-03-01, 22:33   Link #2636
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>>What if there is some way to knock out the Magic-Driven technology similar as EMP's effect.
Something like that already exist in the form of Tohma's Divide Zero Eclipse with the little difference that it knocks out all sorts of technology and living beings xDU

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>>>>What if there is way to nullify/'jamming' Mana 'completly', which is even superior than AMF of The Saint's Cradle.
I fail to get how can be "superior" to the Cradles AMF which is already able to reach full magic cancelation(it even cancelled Hayate's unison).

Maybe Mr. Vandin have something like that under his sleeve xD? He seems pretty confident for someone that have Curren Huckebein and Hayate Yagami as potential enemies xD
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Old 2012-03-01, 22:54   Link #2637
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Oh, sorry for my lack of writting on some of my comments. And thank you for giving me the information as well [Man, I should start to watch the series!].

The point of my last post was; if Mana (Energy Source) is 'taken out', what TSAB left to do? Other than swinging the devices as a club toward the enemy, who caused it. Without Mana, even TSAB's elite is literally sitting dock to some physically-trained terrorists [I read some article that their combat physical condition is relied on 'magic' too much. Even worse, they are just 'average' civilian without any magic-reinforced].
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Old 2012-03-01, 23:00   Link #2638
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That's "duck" but yeah, I agree... with the exception of the Belkan Knights and those trained in close combat.
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Old 2012-03-01, 23:03   Link #2639
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What is 'duck'?
[Oh yeah, Belkan Knights were well-trained 'physically'! Thank you, bhl88]
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Old 2012-03-01, 23:08   Link #2640
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The point of my last post was; if Mana (Energy Source) is 'taken out', what TSAB left to do? Other than swinging the devices as a club toward the enemy, who caused it. Without Mana, even TSAB's elite is literally sitting dock to some physically-trained terrorists [I read some article that their combat physical condition is relied on 'magic' too much. Even worse, they are just 'average' civilian without any magic-reinforced].
The TSAB is famous for it's crippling reliance on magic but even then they have a small handfull of resources that can be used in situations like the one you're proposing.

They have trained non-magical soldiers and even some of them have managed to be important figures inside the organization(like General Regius Gaiz in StrikerS, it's implied that he used to be a fierce combatant in the past and the man have zero magical powers).

They have people with special license to carry physical weapons like Runessa Magnus from Sound Stage SSX and her "Silver Dagger" who doubles as a magical device and a conventional gun.

Belkan Knights are, aside of magical fighters, proficent warriors trained in various means of combat, their Armed Devices can double as physical weapons in case Magic isn't viable(The Huckebein only surpassed this challenge by being able to destroy the structure of Armed Devices). Armed Devices also proved to be powerfull weapons against Magic-resillent Gadget Drones and Combat Cyborgs.

The Combat Cyborgs themselves are the ultimate fusion between bionics and living beings able to fight with limited yet very powerfull abilities in complete non-magical enviroments.

One of the reasons people think TSAB behave like a bunch of morons in the FORCE manga is because they're struggling against the Huckebein family despite having lots of alternative methods more effective than sending Nanoha and friends to face the guys immune to magic xDU.


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As I said a while ago: Clothing hyperspace. (hidden in the depths of space, waiting to be dispelled).
But if the spell that replace normal clothes with Barrier Jackets gets dispelled, that doesnt mean their normal clothes will be automatically restored to their previous place in time-space? (aka. on their wearer xD)?

On the other hand it's funny to think a distant dimension only filled with normal clothes floating everywhere really exist xD!
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