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Old 2013-03-30, 15:15   Link #3101
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The same goes for Signum. Her knight clothing should go poof after Cypha skewered her.
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Old 2013-03-30, 15:19   Link #3102
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The defenition in the Nanoha wiki does say that Barrier Jackets are "an extremely versatile and ubiquitous field-type defensive spell that summons a magical armor protecting a mage from external harm"

So, even with those cases we do seem mages which loses conscious lost their Barrier Jackets. Is something that the show has never been clear about.
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Old 2013-03-30, 15:36   Link #3103
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Vivid actually gives us an explanation for this. When Vivio was unconscious after her fight with Miura, Chris kept her Barrier Jacket and adult form active as an emergency measure.
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Old 2013-03-30, 15:45   Link #3104
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Sansker, it was in the paragraph after your quote. It's related to the device, as Keroko said, independent of the user's mind.
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Old 2013-03-30, 15:49   Link #3105
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However Nanya has a point on the Cradle. Cancel linking between mage and liker core then lose all magic and spells so their Barrier Jacket should vanish. Hey even if they are magically summon cloths they can be created and repair with magic so they are linked with it and they should disappear but that I have my own personal problem with AMF and magic beings.

So I take this as one of the shows inconsistencies. Barrier Jacket acting like regular cloth when need arrives. To be fair those are magic cloths but still.
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Old 2013-03-30, 15:55   Link #3106
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Conservation of Matter, Sansker.

Clothes and devices are solid when they're in use, but they're stored via magic and powered up, via magic.

So, when magic is canceled, they go back to being normal staffs, wands, hammers, swords, clothes, but they're still solid.

After all, wasn't it stated that there's some sort of sub-space pocket?
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:06   Link #3107
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Not that I remember.

But the thing is that Barrier Jackets are magical energy, so when their links are disrupted by the AMF field they should vanish because the magic linking that keeping it together is being block.
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:07   Link #3108
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They are not magical energy, they are magical creations.
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Uh, no, it's not magical energy.

Wikis are not always your friend.

Again, if they were magical energy, then they would have fizzled in the Cradle or by an Eclipse or anything else.
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:10   Link #3110
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Conservation of Matter, Sansker.

Clothes and devices are solid when they're in use, but they're stored via magic and powered up, via magic.

So, when magic is canceled, they go back to being normal staffs, wands, hammers, swords, clothes, but they're still solid.

After all, wasn't it stated that there's some sort of sub-space pocket?
Kind of what happens with shapeshifters in certains works of fiction?

Usually when a shapeshifter gets their powers stripped/cancelled or gets uncouncious it returns to their original form but in some other shows the shapeshifter is stuck in the form he/she was currently using until it recovers the use of it's powers (in some cases this don't happens and they get stuck forever in that alternate form).

Could be the same case with Devices and Barrier Jackets?
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:15   Link #3111
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I don't really know but I still say the Barrier Jackets are energy. They are spells and while this show seems to imply mages can transform energy in to matter, I still see the Barrier Jackets as energy cloths. That is how they can repair it and made them look what they want.
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:18   Link #3112
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I don't really know but I still say the Barrier Jackets are energy. They are spells and while this show seems to imply mages can transform energy in to matter, I still see the Barrier Jackets as energy cloths. That is how they can repair it and made them look what they want.
To be fair it seems the shape of the Barrier Jacket/Kngiht Clothing-armor can only be chosen once and a more specific process is needed in order to change it again. So far no character has been shown to be able to change to appearance and shape of it's combat attire at will xDU
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:22   Link #3113
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Because they don't feel like thinking on more than 2 or 3 sets of cloths for each character. But the idea that is hard to change your Barrier Jacket once you made it doesn't really hold ground for me. I mean I shaped once from my mind so why I can't do it again? Did I lost that part of my brain when I agree to it?
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I don't really know but I still say the Barrier Jackets are energy.
*sighs*

Here we go again.
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Uh, no, it's not magical energy.

Wikis are not always your friend.

Again, if they were magical energy, then they would have fizzled in the Cradle or by an Eclipse or anything else.
Wiki got nothin' to do with it, the manga clearly states Barrier Jackets are made out of energy fields and barriers. Cradle's just a plothole.

Probably the script said "and then the characters lose their magic" and the animators didn't realize that this meant Barrier Jackets should go poof as well.
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:27   Link #3116
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It makes sense considering Raising Heart specifically asked Nanoha for her Jackets shape at the moment of her registration as a validate user. The Knights also told Hayate it's the work of the master to choose the form of the combat attire for the Wolkenritter.

So far the only times there are major changes in appearance is when thei combat attire is revised and unhaced to work with a new system (since StrikerS Nanoha's BJ have two modes in roder to work better with RH's different skillsets... in FORCE her barrier jacket is once again redsigned so the Fortress unit fit her better).

I wonder why only Nanoha's BJ has suffered major changes, as i've said sometime ago the lacking defense the Jackets and Knight attires offer against Eclipse should be enough motivation to improve their clothes as well as their weapons.
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:30   Link #3117
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I wonder why only Nanoha's BJ has suffered major changes, as i've said sometime ago the lacking defense the Jackets and Knight attires offer against Eclipse should be enough motivation to improve their clothes as well as their weapons.
Fate's did as well. Hayate didn't, but she has the excuse that her A's Jacket barely has had any screentime.
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Wiki got nothin' to do with it, the manga clearly states Barrier Jackets are made out of energy fields and barriers. Cradle's just a plothole.
Where does it say that?

Besides, Keroko, that's not completely true that they're made out of energy.

As Aki pointed out, the Wolkenritter didn't have any sort of clothing at all until Hayate designed it for them.

There's also the AMF that was used in StrikerS. Remember how Wendi, Otto and Deed took out those members of the Bureau? They were still in their Bureau Barrier Jackets, not in civilian clothing and there were gadgets around.
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:31   Link #3119
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Will be usless when you consider Dividers can, well, divide magical energy so all their magic defenses like the armors or jackets will be as good as their uniforms. Which seeing how they are equip with revival units, in the arm no less, might not be that bad.

But then again, as Keroko says, the Barrier Jackets are made of energy. Even if we ignore a direct reference we see them as light before covering their bodies and take form and, as say by RH, Nanoha did create that form so they are energy made in to cloths.

Also the TSAB soldiers wear armor as their uniform, so they don't cast Barrier Jackets.
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Old 2013-03-30, 16:34   Link #3120
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Fate's did as well. Hayate didn't, but she has the excuse that her A's Jacket barely has had any screentime.
Oh yeah, i know Fate's BJ has gained several forms over the course of the years but i'm talking about FORCE. She's still wearing her "impulse form" jacket from StrikerS ...the only notorious change is her single ponytail replacing her twintails xD
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