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Old 2007-03-21, 17:31   Link #1
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Ikkaku & Yumichika: What's the deal?

So I think it's high time we discussed Ikkaku and Yumichika's relationship.

Given what we see of them in ep119 from before they joined the Gotei 13(especially the way Yumichika was dressed!) I think we need to question what exactly their relationship is.

Any thoughts? I mean, Yumichika goes just about everywhere with Ikkaku. And Yumichika seems perfectly content to sit behind Ikkaku (pun intended) in the ranks of 11th squad. We don't know if Yumichika has a bankai yet, but we do know that his shikai (Bloom, Fujikujaku) is insanely dangerous and probably much more powerful than Ikkaku's shikai (Grow, Houzukimaru). <--that's considering how quickly Yumichika pawned Hisagi, coupled with Hisagi's reaction (Bastard! Who knew there was a zanpakutou like that?!).

Come to think of it, if you analyze their shikais, it makes them even more questionable. Ikkaku has a long stick that grows. Yumichika has a beautiful flower that blooms. There's some Freudian psychology there, I'm sure of it!
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Old 2007-03-21, 17:50   Link #2
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They are lovers Xp . I kidd I kidd or not oO .

Jokes aside its a bond based on survival and common intrest . During the Edoardo Vs Ikkaku fight it was clearly visible . Yumi Iku and Ken share the same crazy streak the streak for glory and recognition . Yumi due to his feminine appearance and vanity may not look like the rest . But I would question anyone's sanity who would sit and watch his best freind die . Without even considering the thought of helping . In the journey of life Yumi followed Ikakku and till now his confidence has payed off , from Rukognai to 11 div .
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Old 2007-03-21, 18:27   Link #3
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i like the lover idea . i cant believe yumi looked even more bishie in the flashback than he does now.
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Old 2007-03-21, 23:28   Link #4
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I doubt they are lovers (at least both of them being in love with each other), but they are increably close. Intresting this is one of the fan pairings I've seen the least of (thank god) even though it seems to have the most cannon if weak hints.

They all follow the same code but Yumichika is a lot more relaxed on sticking to limiting his powers then the other two and in a fight he plays to win not just for the joy of the fight.
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Old 2007-03-21, 23:43   Link #5
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I think they are the strict norms of Seireitei dont allow them to express themselves .

EDIT : Lommm it would be great if ya could include a poll with this thread
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Old 2007-03-22, 02:04   Link #6
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i have to agree, secret Lovers
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Old 2007-03-22, 02:26   Link #7
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Of course they are. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just in denial. Way too many hints for them to just be buddies.
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Old 2007-03-22, 05:00   Link #8
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Yea but still... I know Yumichika looks a little dodgy but I don't think Ikkaku loves him
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Old 2007-03-22, 05:28   Link #9
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Yea but still... I know Yumichika looks a little dodgy but I don't think Ikkaku loves him
Lol, why not! Haha just jokes.
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Old 2007-03-22, 05:31   Link #10
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Yeah the 100s of YumXIkkaku fasites can never be wrong : D
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Old 2007-03-22, 05:36   Link #11
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I agree there relationship is pretty weird,

Ikkaku seems like some monk who got kickd out of the monestry, while yumichika is probably some playboy showing off his feminine side too much, maybe he wish he was alpha male like ikkaku....
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Old 2007-03-22, 05:42   Link #12
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Well said Ikkaku has the whole shaolin monk thing going for him as a matter of fact his shikai is almost like the weapon featured in one of the 36 Chambers of Shaolin . I remembered someone from AS itself had drawn Ikkaku as a monk only if I could remember the artist .

EDIT : if my memory serves me right think it was Wolcik

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Old 2007-03-22, 06:39   Link #13
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To negate any bishie asstalk going around:

I speculate Ikkaku was an olympic polevaulter before he died (hence the growing pointy pole) and went to Soul Society.. and Yumichika had a flowershop (hence the blooming shikai) and was the one who gave the commemorative "Thanks for being here, too bad you didn't win anything" bouquet of flowers to Ikkaku after wich a bomb exploded ( could've been 1996 in Atlanta even.. 2 people died there by a bomb at the Olympics..)

That's their relation and that's why they have such zanpakutou's.

I'm conveniently not taking into account any timespan of maybe 100+ years they spent in SS, and like you all to forget that small detail too.
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Old 2007-03-22, 08:45   Link #14
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They are lovers in a world (anime) where the only relationships are metaphorical.
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Old 2007-03-22, 10:10   Link #15
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Come to think of it, if you analyze their shikais, it makes them even more questionable. Ikkaku has a long stick that grows. Yumichika has a beautiful flower that blooms. There's some Freudian psychology there, I'm sure of it!
In Yumichika's case it's actualy a Peacock-tail Shikai ( the energyform of it that is) than something that resembles a flower wich is a direct link to his everlasting vainness

Fuji Kujaku (藤孔雀, lit. Wisteria Peacock)
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Yep his Shikai is the Feather Duster of Doom.

All kidding aside it is a pretty nasty piece of work when it is active as it seems to suck the power out of the person it is used on and gives it to Yumichika healing and strenghtining him.
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Old 2007-03-22, 16:35   Link #17
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interesting. i forgot what it looked like in the manga. in the anime, fujikujaku just looked like energy. but yeah, it has powers that are almost hollow like (in the way they such out reiatsu) or maybe slightly bounto like (except it doesn't pull spirit particles, but actual spirit energy). as to the name, Wisteria is a flower and Peacock is a bird. So it's a combination of what we are saying.


@K2K: that olympics story is one of the funnier bleach fan stories i have heard in a while. damn those olympic terrorists!! always killing decent buddhist monk pole vaulters and hard working self centered florists!! lol


@Geta: damn!! i didn't think to add a poll. only one of the mods can add a poll now. i can't edit the first post to add a poll. i guess we could shut this thread down and open a new one with a poll...?? should i do that? what do you guys think the poll questions should be?
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Old 2007-03-22, 22:21   Link #18
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Well my Poll Options would be : D

* Very much in love

* Ikakku is Yumichika's Nii Sama

* Who cares they arnt
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Old 2007-03-23, 06:14   Link #19
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i think for people who are opposed to them being secret lovers, they need to see this nagisa oshima/beat takeshi movie called Gohatto or Taboo (look it up on wiki or imdb). it's about how the samurai used to keep a bishie type as their lover while they were in a monastary or training grounds or battlefield. i always pictured the two of them as having some kind of relationship like that. true companion that actually crosses the line into a sexual relationship.

i know it's just gross to some people, but seriously, NSW may be joking a little... but maybe not. there are way too many signs that something else is going on for them to be 'just comrades' ... the flashbacks were the best proof. just think of how yumichika was lying around near ikkaku while ikkaku was healing from his wounds...


from wiki article on homosexuality in japan: "From religious circles, same-sex love spread to the warrior class, where it was customary for a young samurai to apprentice to an older and more experienced man. The young samurai would be his lover for many years. The practice was known as shudo, the way of youth, and was held in high esteem by the warrior class."

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Old 2007-03-23, 15:18   Link #20
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i think for people who are opposed to them being secret lovers, they need to see this nagisa oshima/beat takeshi movie called Gohatto or Taboo (look it up on wiki or imdb). it's about how the samurai used to keep a bishie type as their lover while they were in a monastary or training grounds or battlefield. i always pictured the two of them as having some kind of relationship like that. true companion that actually crosses the line into a sexual relationship.

i know it's just gross to some people, but seriously, NSW may be joking a little... but maybe not. there are way too many signs that something else is going on for them to be 'just comrades' ... the flashbacks were the best proof. just think of how yumichika was lying around near ikkaku while ikkaku was healing from his wounds...


from wiki article on homosexuality in japan: "From religious circles, same-sex love spread to the warrior class, where it was customary for a young samurai to apprentice to an older and more experienced man. The young samurai would be his lover for many years. The practice was known as shudo, the way of youth, and was held in high esteem by the warrior class."
Okay... (even though I went to Japan for a few years and never heard about that. Are you sure it's only said by sum idiots that messes up wikipedia? Cause there are sum random people that do that. Lol) and I don't think this has to do with a Shinigami anime... they do have a really close bond though! Oh well. Maybe we'll find out l8er
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