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Old 2007-03-28, 00:06   Link #41
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Let's not turn this into a Bleach cannon board. Lol

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Anyway just cause Yumichika dresses and looks like a women I don't think he would have a relationship with Ikkaku. Maybe Yumi is just like that... hmm...
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Old 2007-03-28, 00:43   Link #42
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who said anything about relationship? i only meant sex... lol
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Old 2007-03-28, 00:58   Link #43
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I'd change that to Kon -> Any adult female with any boobs at all

And Add

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Chizuru -> Orihime

That one's pretty obvious
I totally agree with the first part. But i think u still missing other pairing:

Isshin > tatsuki (remember when isshin and karin was eavesdropping at ichi's room. Yutzu mentioned that tatsuki has become a pretty sexy lady...then isshin's face was like woah. )



Don Kanonji > karakura rangers (ururu, ginta, karin, yutzu)

that annoying ichigo's classmate > matsumoto ( damn, i totally forgot his name)

and maybe ulqioura > aizen ( ulqi seems a bit too submissive towards aizen)


Well...aside from the canon pairings, I think ikakku=yumichika is still a very very questionable relationship. At least KT keep the details at PG level. I don;t think he wants to teach japanese kids (...well, kids around world practically) about homosexuality. I think the pairing is more toward yumi's adoration towards ikakku's drive to thrive as a fighter. And Ikkaku probably hanging out with yumi because his loyalty for him. Yumi and renji are the only people that know about ikakku's bankai. All three of them have a common trust between them, and that's probably the best bonding between them. (other wise, every other explaination will have tendency toward gay relationship)
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Old 2007-03-28, 01:11   Link #44
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I think Iba Tetsu... whatever his name is.... Komamura's VC. I think that guy probably knows about Ikkaku's bankai. remember when he and ikkaku were training in SS arc??

anyway....

i think Isshin > Tatsuki was more out of embarrassment than actual lust or love.
and i think Ulquiorra is just uber loyal. that's more like father>son... kind of like Nemu>Mayori. Or Monster>Frankenstein.


oh, and it was Keigo. He's the classmate who likes Matsumoto('s breasts). Everyone should learn his name because
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Old 2007-03-28, 08:00   Link #45
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Most of the Yumi Cosplayers and Rpers I have met or seen have been girls . So I always pictured Yumi as Girl @_@

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Old 2007-03-28, 14:53   Link #46
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that points even more to the bishie/yaoi side of things, sin ce girls are usually the target audience for that stuff in japan.
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Old 2007-03-28, 21:13   Link #47
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ulqioura > aizen ( ulqi seems a bit too submissive towards aizen
Even I felt that ... I have stated it before

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Old 2007-03-31, 08:11   Link #48
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I think Iba Tetsu... whatever his name is.... Komamura's VC. I think that guy probably knows about Ikkaku's bankai. remember when he and ikkaku were training in SS arc??
Ikkaku said to Renji that he didn't intend to tell anyone else but him and Yumichika about his Bankai.

And slightly off-topic, but why does every friendship in manga lead to someone claiming it to be a romantic relationship? Ganju and Hanatarou? Ukitake and Shunsui? I laugh at you. Ha.
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Old 2007-03-31, 09:59   Link #49
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I agree. Whats this hidden obsession to find these wierd gay lovers? I really hope they are just firends.
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Old 2007-03-31, 14:26   Link #50
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Both Yumichika and Ikkaku reminds me of some kind of kabuki Actors. since all the actors were male during a certain period in feudal Japan, they had very feminine males playing the female roles and so on. And yes, most of them were gay.

of course thats just me rambling
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Old 2007-03-31, 14:37   Link #51
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Are saying most of feudal japan males were gay?
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Old 2007-03-31, 17:25   Link #52
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Are saying most of feudal japan males were gay?
No, I'm talking about kabukis
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Old 2007-03-31, 19:34   Link #53
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No, I'm talking about kabukis
Wat The Heck??? Okay, I havn't been reading the previous posts but not all guys in kabuki are gay! It's just like how in Europe females wern't allowed to act on stage, it's just like that with kabuki. Just cause males dress up as female acts up on stage dosen't mean they're gay (well, for most of them)
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Old 2007-04-01, 07:48   Link #54
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i dont know what you think about wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuki#...men.27s_kabuki

second pic

and i didn't say all of them were

EDIT: i still don't know what you think about wiki


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With the rise in power and influence of the merchant class, aspects of the practice of shudo were adopted by the middle classes, and homoerotic expression in Japan began to be more closely associated with travelling kabuki actors known as tobiko, "fly boys," who moonlighted as prostitutes.

In the Edo period (1600-1868) kabuki actors (known as onnagata when playing female roles) often worked as prostitutes off-stage. Kagema were male prostitutes who worked at specialist brothels called "kagemajaya" (陰間茶屋: kagema tea houses). Both kagema and kabuki actors were much sought after by the sophisticates of the day, who often practiced danshoku/nanshoku, or male love.

Beginning with the Meiji restoration and the rise of Western influence, Christian values began to influence the culture, leading to a rapid decline of sanctioned homoerotic practices in the late 1800s.
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Old 2007-04-01, 12:34   Link #55
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Wat The Heck??? Okay, I havn't been reading the previous posts but not all guys in kabuki are gay! It's just like how in Europe females wern't allowed to act on stage, it's just like that with kabuki. Just cause males dress up as female acts up on stage dosen't mean they're gay (well, for most of them)
Probably the same percentage of stage actors as today (meaning a pretty high percentage ).

All of Shakespear's plays were written with the idea that all parts were played by men, cause thats all that was allowed at the time.
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Old 2007-04-01, 17:17   Link #56
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yeah, kabuki, noh, butoh, even peking opera... most of them were gay. there are literally dozens of movies and plays all about this subject. they were usually chosen very young. they only lived with men. if they weren't gay, then they turned gay because the older men who were teaching them were gay and had their way with them. plus, for peking opera and some other east asian theater (not to mention western opera) young boys were casrated so they retained feminine qualities (physical features, voice, persona). this contributed to their 'gayness' because their hormones were totally f**ked from an early age. often, they never even went through a proper puberty.

now, evenex. we've told you about gay samurai. we've told you about gay kabuki. both times you were totally incredulous (even in the face of long standing evidence and history). are you just arguing for argument's sake (devil's advocate)? or do you really not believe that? what cause your incredulity? are you the type of person who believes that all homosexuality is a sin and completely unnatural? i, for one, would like to know your stand since you seem pretty set on refusing to believe that gay men existed in high percentages in these walks of life.

my personal belief is that gay men and women have existed throughout all of history and will always exist. it's human nature to crave companionship, both physical and emotional. when groups of same gender people are forced to live together for profession or other circumstance, homosexuality often manifests itself out of basic human need. you don't have to be gay to take this view point. i think it's often a mark of security with one's own heterosexuality that one can talk about gay themes without getting all uppity.

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oh, and sin doesn't exist. it was something the ruling class created to keep the peasants from having fun. but that's an entirely different discussion.
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i still say yumichika and ikkaku are more than just friends. perhaps not physical lovers (even if KT put a lot of signs suggesting that type of person) but they have some kind of love for each other.

and for that matter, 11th squad is weird altogether. maybe it's just that hyper masculinity is often scene as gay male behavior (just look at how many reviews of '300' claim that the characters are all gay - "That's a good thrust!"). Who knows? But even the way they treated Inoue was weird. I mean, Maki Maki was the straightest squad member, and he still has that little gay moustache!
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Old 2007-04-04, 10:59   Link #57
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maybe they're being outed like george+jerry without even being in...


not that there's anything wrong with that!
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Old 2007-04-05, 02:23   Link #58
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hahahaha
we need yachiru to make some kind of comment and then it will be exactly as you say
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Old 2007-05-03, 09:55   Link #59
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hitsugaya pawn shawlong in a matter of seconds after his limit was lifted, so do renji and matsumoto. Ikkaku is suppose to be sort of near captain level right? but how did he managed to struggle againts edorad (who's suppose to be on the same level as shawlong and renji's gillian opponent) even though he never had his power limited to 1/5th?
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Old 2007-05-03, 20:10   Link #60
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Does anybody recall the scene when Matsumoto was unbuttoning her shirt in Ichigo's room and was trying to blackmail him into letting her stay. (which was hilraious) Noticed only Renji, Kon, and Ichigo reacted to her actions. Ikkaku and Yumchika didn't even seem like they noticed. I don't know if this is some indication that they weren't interested in women or not.

[Can someone please find the screenshot from that part of episode 116, or provide some sites I can go to? I would very much appreciate it!]

However I find it a tad weird since Ikkaku and Yumichika didn't even make a sound. It might be that they were just simply ignoring her, but I find that idea too simple to just dismiss it like that. This can also be compared to Hitsugaya's indifferent attitude, but even he would yell at Matsumoto when she talks about "them" at times.


Anyway, Here are some pairings that I believe were lefted out previously in the discussion of cannon pairings.

Implied pairings:
Jinta>Yuzu
Kyoraku>Nanao
Hiyori>Hirako
Mizuho>Ikkaku's shaved head
Rukia>Chappy
Chad>Kon, Shibata, anything cute in general XD

Canon pairings:
Byakuya=Hisana
Kaien=Miyako
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