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Old 2007-04-08, 14:48   Link #21
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Didn't the mist kill all their shinobi's?, so they wouldn't even have anything to fight with.


no they didn't kill all their shinobi. you may be refering to when the genin graduation method was to kill one of your friends. but that stopped after zabuza.
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Old 2007-04-08, 15:05   Link #22
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Old 2007-04-08, 15:25   Link #23
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rofl .. so if they r dangerous for Hokages, Kazekages, Jinchuurikis and Bijuus, they are not dangerous for genins ? Sorry then i miss understooded ..

I would say that S-class mean stronger then atleast genin and chunin. If its not then i miss understooded again.

Imagine Jiraiya get mission to kidnap genin or chunin and he got killed without making scratch on him
I was referring to what you said about Akatsuki taking a moron like Hidan. Brains have nothing to do with anything to do with Akatsuki. Ranks really don't have anything to do with power. Naruto is a prime example. S-class criminals are considered dangerous, yes. But "dangerous" simply means a person or thing that may be considered harmful to your life or livelihood. A murderer is dangerous, but a 12-gauge shotgun will remedy that.

Point being: don't measure Akatsuki as being uber strong, but uber dangerous. I mean, look at Tobi. Tobi, IMO, so far has not shown anything compared to the likes of Hidan, Kakuzu, Sasori, Orochimaru, and Deidara; but yet Tobi is a member. So that's why Hidan is accepted, because of his talents. Smarts don't matter in the case of being with Akatsuki.
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Old 2007-04-08, 15:30   Link #24
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He is dumb but then why is he in Akatsuki when Chunin can kill him without scratch ?!?

I mean who would take such moron ? And Akatsuki is soppose to be the best there is ? And if their member is killed by Chunin then wtf ?

Hidan kill Jinchuurikis easely but ehey there goes genius without any ninja skill beated ninja ..

I imagine now AL, ye guys we r the best .. but our immortal member got his as kicked by chunin, and other one got killed by genin jutsu, yes we cant kill 12 years old genins and chunins, but who care we r almighty, the best, and still we have high standards .. for joining our dream team u must kill genin in Konoha ftw ...
It's not that Hidan is weak it's just that he happened to come across the smartest prson we've seen in the series so far
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Old 2007-04-08, 15:36   Link #25
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I was referring to what you said about Akatsuki taking a moron like Hidan. Brains have nothing to do with anything to do with Akatsuki. Ranks really don't have anything to do with power. Naruto is a prime example. S-class criminals are considered dangerous, yes. But "dangerous" simply means a person or thing that may be considered harmful to your life or livelihood. A murderer is dangerous, but a 12-gauge shotgun will remedy that.

Point being: don't measure Akatsuki as being uber strong, but uber dangerous. I mean, look at Tobi. Tobi, IMO, so far has not shown anything compared to the likes of Hidan, Kakuzu, Sasori, Orochimaru, and Deidara; but yet Tobi is a member. So that's why Hidan is accepted, because of his talents. Smarts don't matter in the case of being with Akatsuki.
well lol man .. so that mean Ichiraku is dangerous ? .. he can kill right! Like every other person in the world ?!!

How u dont understand no matter how he losted he losted from Chunin .. That is fact and it is over .. do u get me ??? S-class criminal mean they r very strong .. more or equal then Jounin ..

About Tobi he is funny guy and everything for him is joke but i bet he is very strong when he get serious .. Against 3-tailed bijuu he was fooling around, so that mean his powers are big and he know that he can joke with 3tailed demon ..
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Old 2007-04-08, 16:01   Link #26
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The whole Uchiha clan has been wiped out by a Chuunin. What a clan of losers !

Welcome to your own logic.
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Old 2007-04-08, 16:02   Link #27
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The whole Uchiha clan has been wiped out by a Chuunin. What a clan of losers !

Welcome to your own logic.
Chunin HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .. He was ANBU. ROFLKOPTER!

LOL Dude u failed big time this time

Welcome to my logic .. u have no chance ..

EDIT: ANBU ain`t rank ? ROTFLOL! Oh damn what will i do now becouse someone this stupid ignored me
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Old 2007-04-08, 16:06   Link #28
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ANBU ain't a rank.

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Old 2007-04-08, 17:56   Link #29
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Genin, Chuunin, Special Jounin, Jounin and Hokage are all ranks.

ANBU is a division of ninjas similar in respects to a special police/commando force that is made up mainly of Jounin and Special Jounin, with possibly the occasional exceptional Chuunin (who would most likely be promoted to Special Jounin status).

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As for the series. Gone downhill. Badly. Infact, and I say this with great reluctance, I think I actually enjoyed some of the worst bits of the Anime fillers to the tripe that Kishi is spitting out at the moment. Its not so much the disjointed feel that Part II is giving off, rather its the fact that it appears to have slowly gone from "NARUTO - that manga about ninjas and stuff" to "SASUKE - that manga about the bishi swordman and stuff".

I got into the story mainly because it seemed like a rather interesting mix of ninjas and DBZ principles. What I don't want to see it become is nothing more than a DBZ clone without ninjas, because that defeats the entire point. Unfortunately that appears to be the path Kishi is still walking down...
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Old 2007-04-08, 18:06   Link #30
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my opinion is naruto became much of a kids stuff near avatar the airbender stuff,recently started to watch death note and realised that naruto is really became kids stuff lately...(anime of course)

Avatar is really cool, the martial arts in there is amazing. i think it was more mature than naruto pt 1, but since naruto is 15 now, i don't know if it will still have the childish style (maybe a few comic relief here and there), the anime has real mature background music


I agree with whoever said that should not able to tell whats going to happen easily in a good book. if you knew what is going to happen it becomes boring, the goal of the author should be keeping you interested throughout the whole book. with twists and stuff that makes you want to know what happens next and want to turn the page or in this case read the next chapter

i think naruto has done that, even the new sasuke arc that some people are talking about. a lot of people did not think that he would beat orochimaru, so when he did they were like WTF and wanted to know what happens next, some want to keep reading to see if orochimaru comes up again.

even with the fr i thought it would slice the oponent in two or something but i actually does little wind needles that is preety much the most powerfull jyuken yet. who would have thought of that.

so i think naruto the manga is doing ok, it has little bumps here and there but its ok,
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Old 2007-04-08, 18:29   Link #31
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As of now I believe Naruto is still a loser who hasnt reached his full potential yet. Jiraiya is one too for not training Naruto elementally (narutos element being wind) aswell, its dissapointing after 2 and a half years training to see the first technique Naruto uses in shippuden to be none other than kage bunshin. Naruto would be a cooler character if he had a wider use of Jutsus especially wind ones like the wind sword jutsu which was used by a sand shinobi which killed hayate with ease even though he was a jounin. Yes he knows rasengan and Frs but he needs a wider range of jutsus which he can use which dont have limitations like Frs. Untill I see this then Naruto will continue to be the same stupid kid.
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Old 2007-04-08, 18:35   Link #32
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Chunin HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .. He was ANBU. ROFLKOPTER!

LOL Dude u failed big time this time

Welcome to my logic .. u have no chance ..

EDIT: ANBU ain`t rank ? ROTFLOL! Oh damn what will i do now becouse someone this stupid ignored me
Anbu isn't a rank. This brings up a good question, which is kind of on topic. With Kishi introducing the Akatsuki, is it in the Data book the actual rankings of each member? I'd like to know how much he considered these rankings along with the storyline. I was under the impression that almost every member left their village way before time. So in actuality, it wouldn't surprise me if at least one of them were still a genin.

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well lol man .. so that mean Ichiraku is dangerous ? .. he can kill right! Like every other person in the world ?!!
The Demon Brothers were dangerous regardless if Sasuke was able to help in taking them out. Weren't the Demon Brothers high class criminals also?
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Old 2007-04-08, 18:41   Link #33
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no they didn't kill all their shinobi. you may be refering to when the genin graduation method was to kill one of your friends. but that stopped after zabuza.
No the story Haku was talking about, when they killed his mom and Zabuza found him.
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I think Shikamaru could have taken Hidan one on one, you have to remember he had a plan and excuted it. It's not like Shikamaru just walked up out of the blue and said "I'm going to destroy you with ease using my ninjutsu" he had a trap stuck to his plan and Hidan in his rants about judgement to his god blah blah got out smarted, now he's at the bottom of a hole.
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Old 2007-04-08, 18:52   Link #34
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No the story Haku was talking about, when they killed his mom and Zabuza found him.
Only the people with this Bloodline limit were annihilated because they did some nasty things during a civil war long before Haku was born. (which made them hated)
I believe that if the people tried to eliminate all the shinobis in the Water country, that would not be the end of the shinobis, but the end of the commoners.

And yes, Shikamaru's victory was nice. I didn't like how he got the time to prepare the ground for the battle (which incidentally took place very close of his family's land), but his win was deserved though.
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Old 2007-04-08, 19:01   Link #35
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No the story Haku was talking about, when they killed his mom and Zabuza found him.
That was just one clan. there were other shinobi in mist. but to be honest, i dont understand why every1 is complaining, it's really not all that bad
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That was just one clan. there were other shinobi in mist. but to be honest, i dont understand why every1 is complaining, it's really not all that bad
Thanks, I'm not complaining just trying to get that story striaght.
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As of now I believe Naruto is still a loser who hasnt reached his full potential yet. Jiraiya is one too for not training Naruto elementally (narutos element being wind) aswell, its dissapointing after 2 and a half years training to see the first technique Naruto uses in shippuden to be none other than kage bunshin. Naruto would be a cooler character if he had a wider use of Jutsus especially wind ones like the wind sword jutsu which was used by a sand shinobi which killed hayate with ease even though he was a jounin. Yes he knows rasengan and Frs but he needs a wider range of jutsus which he can use which dont have limitations like Frs. Untill I see this then Naruto will continue to be the same stupid kid.
I think the reason why naruto does not have a wide range of jutsu is because the statement that jiraiya said to orochimaru in the sannin battle. orochimaru argued that a ninja implies one who use ninjutsu, and to be a better ninja you need more jutsu.

jiraiya told him that one does not need a lot of jutsu to be a great ninja, he just have to endure to the end, work hard, and all that good stuff

so I think the reason that naruto hasn't been show to have a lot of ninjutsu is so when he defeats geniuses(don't mean to offend the fanboys) jiraiya's statement will stay valid


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Old 2007-04-08, 22:27   Link #38
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Genin, Chuunin, Special Jounin, Jounin and Hokage are all ranks.

ANBU is a division of ninjas similar in respects to a special police/commando force that is made up mainly of Jounin and Special Jounin, with possibly the occasional exceptional Chuunin (who would most likely be promoted to Special Jounin status).
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Anbu isn't a rank. This brings up a good question, which is kind of on topic. With Kishi introducing the Akatsuki, is it in the Data book the actual rankings of each member? I'd like to know how much he considered these rankings along with the storyline. I was under the impression that almost every member left their village way before time. So in actuality, it wouldn't surprise me if at least one of them were still a genin.

The Demon Brothers were dangerous regardless if Sasuke was able to help in taking them out. Weren't the Demon Brothers high class criminals also?
He didnt staited that "rank Chunnin Itachi" he said "by a Chunnin" and he was not chunnin, Itachi was ANBU Leader ..

And ANBU is rank but not like Genin, Chunnin, Jounin .. it is like police, ANBU can kill everyone if they brake law or they listen Jounin or Chunnin if that is orther .. As u said they r special police who is under Hokage ..

So for Itachi was ANBU rank not Genin, Chunin or Jounin .. he is ANBU leader Itachi ..

Remind me i dont remember those demon brothers ..

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Old 2007-04-08, 22:46   Link #39
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No he was an ANBU Captain I believe, which is simply just part of a ranking system inside of ANBU which they came up with to differentiate the members. I think it's probably the equivalent of a Chuunin in a normal ninja group, in that he would lead a squad of ANBU members.

ANBU in and of itself is not a rank.
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The demon brothers from the mission they were escorting the bridge builder I believe.
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