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Old 2007-04-18, 02:39   Link #41
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I think Deidara is one of the most deadly for the same reason I've always thought Shino was one of the most deadly of their group. The idea that you can send a shit ton of bugs, clay bugs or whatever at an enemy from afar and have them completely swarm you, while they chill back and just watch unable to be harmed greatly appeals to me.
Big difference between Deidara and Shino... Deidara only has enough clay for like a couple dozen clay bombs... Not to mention he seems limited to how many he can make and use at a time, about two or a three per hand, and they take some time to make... from what we saw with his fight with Garra he can't unleash "swarms" of them

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- sharingan can tell the diff between a clay spider and a real one. if I recall correctly ... if it does have the same internal chakra system as a real spider ... he wouldnt know the difference.
- the clay puppets can be destroyed in one kunai (bear in mind the bird bomb that was crushed in Gaara's sand not detonating till Deidara wanted it to).
- Deidara has to be on the battlefield. (Didn't he use his bird to fly high over the city of Sand while raining his spiders and birds down?)
- Where Itachi has Kage Bushin.
-A clay spider contains enough charakra to cause a large exlposion... do you really think a nomral spider has that much chakra?
-In one of the pages of Kakahsi and Naruto VS Deidara, kakashi uses a single shuriken to blow up one of the clay dolls
-i consider flying over head is still being on the battlefield (which is in range of MS genjutsu)
-Go back to the first Kakahsi VS Itachi... Itachi uses Shadow clones twice, once to try and stab Kakashi in the back, and second time he self destructed one to try and blow up Kurenai (though kakashi saved her)


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1.) I dont recall Kisame using his sword versus Gai.
2.) I just narrated to you what Kisame did in his fight and you are telling me he doesnt fight like that?
Kisame Did use his Sword while Fighting agianst Gai and his team, and he fought most of that fight in close range, not from a distance...

also, Using those 30% clones doesn't count as them normally prefering to fight at a distance, the only reason they used those is because they were not nearby to fight in person and thus had no choice but to use those clones... when in person, Kisame himself will fight head on using mostly close to mid range combat... just incase that's what you were thinking
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Old 2007-04-18, 03:20   Link #42
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The main thesis is probably : "Kisame is a melee fighter.A genjutsu or ranged damage should own him anytime"

these guys are not some random idiot kids from konoha.They has many secrets and kisame is making a deadly team with itachi.Melee-Range.
Besides Kisame is alrady surpassed or as strong as the second hokage.I know Second Hokage looks more powerless to ignorants by creating water out of nowehere..while others can summon gods,creating living forests,teleporting...Still a total water based ninja can inflict way too greater damage than a genjutsu..So Kisame is not easy-pal for itachi.İtachi said "Your moves standing out too much".We always seen Kisame in funny guy actions--go steal the brat,go kill the sensei-- he wasnt even serious..If he ever feels close to death, im sure he has the ability to destroy entire place youre standing on...after all melee damage's most dangerous point is when youre enraged ^^
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Old 2007-04-18, 10:50   Link #43
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The problem is that Akatsuki are the evil guys... But they "needed" to be defeated so they all have weaknesses that might not have come up if they fought other ninja.
For example Hidan: Ok, he is as dumb as the night is dark but his jutsu are extremely powerful. First of all if he slices you once you're gone. The immortality is another really messed up thing. Being slowest in Akatsuki doesn't make him overall slow so first of all you have to hit him. If you manage that and think you got him on a vital point you drop your guard and BAM one scratch and game over.

Kakuzu was one hell of a fighter. Having 5 elements he was able to fight any ninja. And like with Hidan there is the surprising effect if you manage to "kill" him once. But afterall you have to do that five times! He has at least two ways of using his tentacles and he is smart too.

Sasori was nearly unbeatable... having a large amount of toxins with him, he is a one hit killer like Hidan. Plus he has an armada of puppets and even was the only one to maintain a victim's chakra in his puppets. He had control over a previous kage and even if you are able to crack up Hiruko, and blast that other shit away without a single (!!!) scratch, you have to deal with another Hitokugutsu, Sasori himself. Now you have to avoid a surprising attack again, because if you think you killed him Sasori just switches to another puppet. Maybe you are a puppeter or have a very good observation gift... but if not you still have to think about a way how to kill him plus he doesn't feel pain at all.

I must admit I don't like his fighting style but even Deidara is a monster. Though his attacks are kind of linear and easy to avoid (throwing Kunai at the paper monsters), his destruction force can't be denied. How he managed to blow his clone up without anyone noticing he fled is still a miracle in my eyes.

Itachi has a flame that burns everything, predicts your movements, you can't look at him and his jutsu performance is so fast that even a Jounin can't follow... Do I have to say anything else^^

Kisame's fighting style is even more linear than Deidara's but he does it with a never seen efficiency. I mean having a punch that even taijutsu specialist Gai is impressed is kinda scary. He also has several strong water jutsu and probably one of the highest chakra pools in the whole series.

The others abilities are mostly unknown so I don't write about them right now... A ranking is nearly impossible because everyone has it's pros and cons.

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Old 2007-07-09, 20:18   Link #44
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I was wrong it is not deidara, he probably one of the stronger ones.
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Old 2007-07-09, 22:08   Link #45
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Kakuza and Hidan. The former got defeated by Naruto and the latter by a chunin. 'nough said.
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Old 2007-07-10, 06:36   Link #46
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there is no thing called weakest member
each and everyone has a specefic task, for example : itachi is a master in genjutsu, kisame in wate element ninjutsu, hidan vodoo, diedara is weak in taijutsu for sure so he use explosives from a far range each member has a weakness and a speciality and for me hidan and kakuzu are very strong, it is just that hidan is so stupid adn shikamaru is insanely smart and for me i think that kakuzu is one of the best akatsuki members he had 5 hearts he is old enough as he lived long to fight the first hokage, 4 guys were fighting him at the same time including kakashi with his MS, do not take Naruto or Shikamaru lightly, Shikamaru is already jounin level and Naruto is stronger than kakashi now. nough said
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Old 2007-07-10, 08:44   Link #47
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Well I think AL is probably the strongest...Deidra imo may be ahead of Kakuza and hidan, but we atleast know skill wise is behind Sasori. We still don't know what the unknown character and Zetsu are capable of. I'm guessing it's AL (based mostly on the fact that he's able to tell people what to do), Itachi, Kisame, Sasori, Kakuza, Deidra and Hidan. Zetsu and the mystery person we just don't know. Tobi I still don't have a clue where to place him since he hasn't fought and there's always the possibility of him being stronger than we realize.
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Old 2007-07-10, 09:08   Link #48
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there is no thing called weakest member
each and everyone has a specefic task, for example : itachi is a master in genjutsu, kisame in wate element ninjutsu, hidan vodoo, diedara is weak in taijutsu for sure so he use explosives from a far range each member has a weakness and a speciality and for me hidan and kakuzu are very strong, it is just that hidan is so stupid adn shikamaru is insanely smart and for me i think that kakuzu is one of the best akatsuki members he had 5 hearts he is old enough as he lived long to fight the first hokage, 4 guys were fighting him at the same time including kakashi with his MS, do not take Naruto or Shikamaru lightly, Shikamaru is already jounin level and Naruto is stronger than kakashi now. nough said

All that aside, I'd still say Hidan was the weakest. The potential of his powers was probably one of the deadliest, he was just too dumb to make good use of them.
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Old 2007-07-10, 09:16   Link #49
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Kisame. Although I'm sure he's strong in his own way and all with that chakra of his.
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Old 2007-07-10, 09:32   Link #50
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From what we've seen so far, itachi is the strongest hands down....Before he even acquired MS he was a bully,even without using it he was a bully....Most of the time it doesn't even look as if he is trying....weakest so far is a tough one...couldn't really say..
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Old 2007-07-10, 11:37   Link #51
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So far all members of Akatsuki have been professionals in their own fields being elemental or their own unique abilities. Its hard to say whos the weakest for me since I cant put each member under the same listing because their all different, for me Akatsuki doesnt have a weakest member theyre all specialists.
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Old 2007-07-10, 11:47   Link #52
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All that aside, I'd still say Hidan was the weakest. The potential of his powers was probably one of the deadliest, he was just too dumb to make good use of them.
You are so right he is the weakest because he is too stupid to handle his powers but again kakuzu IMO is one of the strongest his fight was amazing and he was killed by Uzumaki Naruto the lead charecter in the series no surprise in that.
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Old 2007-07-10, 13:48   Link #53
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Hidan or Kakuzu were weakest. That's why they were paired up with each other
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Old 2007-07-10, 15:10   Link #54
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I don't think there is a 'weakest member" simply because given any particular set of circumstances, anyone of them would beat the other in a fight.
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Old 2007-07-10, 15:59   Link #55
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I don't think there is a 'weakest member" simply because given any particular set of circumstances, anyone of them would beat the other in a fight.
Of course, with a particular set of circumstances Konohamaru can defeat Jiraiya. Those circumstances are better known as plot devise, and sometimes get to the point of bad writing.

Either way, this thread is not asking about who can defeat who, this is about who is weaker, Deidara by own admission admitted Sasori to be stronger than him. Kisame admitted the same with Itachi.

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-Go back to the first Kakahsi VS Itachi... Itachi uses Shadow clones twice, once to try and stab Kakashi in the back, and second time he self destructed one to try and blow up Kurenai (though kakashi saved her)
The one that stabbed Kakashi in the back was the real one, this is the one that ended up doing the MS.

Itachi used KB once again in his fight against Kakashi and Naruto.
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Old 2007-07-10, 16:15   Link #56
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for me:

there is no certain char that is uber over powered in narutoverse. the only rule is :

itachi is stronger than x and x is stronger then y and y is s form z and z is stronger f
and f is stronger than itachi but any of these characters can take down itachi.thats the beauty of it. so there is no such thing the weakest or strongest...

i mean kisame is way stronger than hidan yet hidan can kill him in an instant.so who is stronger?or weaker? none. it depends on how you play your cards....
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I don't think there is a 'weakest member" simply because given any particular set of circumstances, anyone of them would beat the other in a fight.
Both of you have said it perfectly. It's like a circumstantial rock-paper-scizzors game. and i dunno why everyones getting all heated about this. I have an idea though...how about....we all find out when the fifth NAruto Movie comes out titled Naruto:Akatsuki Tournament made for all the people who keep debating about the strengths and weaknesses of the akatsuki memebers on fanboy/girl forums. YAY!!!
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Old 2007-07-10, 17:17   Link #57
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eh i didnt think Hidan was as strong as the other people, he just seemed overall weak, maybe if he can hit people faster and be more accurate he could pull his technique more but, he is the leas accurrate and slowest person >.> which makes his ability more useless to me
also havent seen much of Zetsu, he seems more like a spy to me >.> hope he has some awesome plant controlling abilities hehe.
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Old 2007-07-10, 18:07   Link #58
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I would say taht Deidara or Hidan are the weakest, Deidara only having the clay bombs and Hidan being sorta dumb. As for Kakuza , i dont recall Kakashi using the his MS, maybe im wrong. Also he knew taht if Naruto hit him with his new jutsu he would be done for.
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Old 2007-07-10, 18:19   Link #59
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All that aside, I'd still say Hidan was the weakest. The potential of his powers was probably one of the deadliest, he was just too dumb to make good use of them.
ya he couldnt use his bloodline (or whatever kind of weired power he has) to its full ability because he lacked the skill and accuracy.
Hidan also said he was the weakest in akatsuki, however maybe he was just respecting his elders as he seemed young and was a newer member.
but who knows zetsu could be pretty weak or that girl in terms of fighting power. but they are probably useful in their own rights.
You know whats bothered me... how come these guys are not better known? zabuza was recognized right away by kakashi why was kakuzu not? shouldnt their be legends of these super powered ninja such as the konoha sannin?
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Old 2007-07-10, 18:24   Link #60
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Of course, with a particular set of circumstances Konohamaru can defeat Jiraiya. Those circumstances are better known as plot devise, and sometimes get to the point of bad writing.
The very existance of a strong evil character with god-like abilities is a plot device
These evil guys are invented in such a manner that they seem to be unbeatable and very dangerous for the main characters. But every power what they've got was invented in relation to the main good characters, as they will serve a purpose when the actual evil character meets the main one. For example Hidan's immortality was invented for Shikamaru's super-smart-thinking, their fight was meant to show how much has Shikamaru progressed, and to promote Shika to the elites of Konoha ninja. Then we have the indestructible and element-based raw power ninja Kakuzu. He was invented for Naruto, where Naruto learns elemental jutsu, he surpasses the rasengan and invents a super-powerful jutsu, so to show how strong the jutsu is Kakuzu was introduced. We also see Naruto's progression in terms of demon control, as the 2tailed girl transformed into the cat demon than was defeated while Naruto is in control for the full time (never transforms into 4 tails) and wins. Those two were meant to be "plot devices" to introduce the new Naruto and the new Shikamaru. And the same is true for Orochimaru, Deidara, etc...
In shonen manga it's considered good writing
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