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Old 2007-05-27, 13:34   Link #1
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Vive Sarkozy! Vive l'Anime!

I'm sorry I didn't find this before the election, but even now it's too good not to post.

It's one thing to be a big-government socialist lefty, but when you plan to beat up on Rozen Maiden in order to create a socialist paradise, I say: Enough is enough.

http://comipress.com/news/2006/10/07/837

France Presidential Candidate Anti-Anime

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On Sep 10th, Segolene Royal, a popular member of the French congress, announced her candidacy for the coming election for the President of France.

Despite the dissenters inside her Socialist Party, Segolene Royal is one of the top presidential candidate according to most French opinion polls. Segolene Royal's opponent in the upcoming election in the May of next year will be Nicolas Sarkozy, the Minister of the Interior from the "Union for a Popular Movement." There is a possibility that France will see its first female President.

Mrs. Royal is very popular among the French people, but the Japanese anime business will not be very happy if she becomes the president of France, because Segolene Royal is known for her anti-Japanese anime sentiment. In the 70's and 80's, when Japanese animation first became popular in France and many titles were aired on TV, Segolene Royal led the anti-Japanese animation movement of the time.

Segolene Royal once wrote a book on the influence of anime on children. Mrs. Royal accused Japanese anime of their violent and vulgar tendencies, she insisted that the airing of Japanese anime need to be restricted. Her book aroused much reaction, and later became the mental support to the anti-anime movement in France. Later the French government introduced time zone restriction for the airing of Japanese anime.

Today Japanese anime and manga enjoy high popularity in France. Both the previous President Mitterrand and the incumbent President Chirac favor Japan, and friction against Japanese culture has never happened until now.

The next French president's attitude will not change French people's attitude for Japanese anime. On the other hand, the French President has larger authority and influence over the U.S. President on this matter. If Mrs. Royal is nominated to be the French President, she could make new political decisions in the education field where she "knows it well."
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Old 2007-05-27, 13:39   Link #2
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This is why I did not vote her, even if I am a leftist by heart.
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Old 2007-05-27, 13:47   Link #3
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This is a subject that has been discussed many times amongst French anime fans - and I don't see much point in bringing this up anymore. Pointing this out was nice and all, but people seem to be forgetting that the other candidate does not think very highly of Japanese culture either (you should be able to find articles reporting his criticism of sumo wrestling, for instance - yes, it's not manga, but I'm talking about Japanese culture in general here since previous presidents were mentioned for favoring it).

Plus, it's not like censoring manga was something that was definitely going to happen in case Royal became president... she obviously had more important matters to take care of. These arguments were ignored anyway and she ended up being disliked by most anime/manga fans. It doesn't matter much anymore, really.
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Old 2007-05-27, 13:49   Link #4
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it is funny how people can be superficial. it would be rather fun to know how many "anime" she actually saw (mind you, until end of the 90's, very few "meaningful" animes were available in France)
I never saw much problems with advertising for violent movies, nor the "gangsta" rap, extremely rampant in france. (i don't have any clue why they even let such things sold in the market. it is beyond offensive for some of them. liberty of expression? very clever...)


alas, this kind of superficial judgement is probably general anyway, not really restricted to specific countries or people... (this is the same for "violence in video games" usual rant...*shudders about the mere mention of "familles de France"*)
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Old 2007-05-27, 13:54   Link #5
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I think that is just an excuse, similar to blaming American movies, other cultures, etc...

If it were the French who would have made those popular shows, those people would have done everything to support those shows so that their culture would gain a little more of the popularity it lost over the last 50-60 years or more. It is all about satisfying their narcissist side, I don't see anything more to that.
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Old 2007-05-27, 13:55   Link #6
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First they'll come for your guns, then they'll come for your anime, all in the desire to create a risk-free pareadise on Earth.

I say: Molon Labe.
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Old 2007-05-27, 13:58   Link #7
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Well, she didn't lead an anti-japanese anime movement. She did lead a movement whose main point was that it is a really bad idea to air Hokuto no Ken at 9 AM on wedsneday (wedsneday is a day off for school in France). And she was absolutely right.
Sarkozy never said anything about animes, but has not a good opinion of Japan.

BTW, did you know one of the major sumo competition in Japan is the Jacques Chirac Cup ? (Chirac is a notorious lover of sumo and Japan)

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I think that is just an excuse, similar to blaming American movies, other cultures, etc...

If it were the French who would have made those popular shows, those people would have done everything to support those shows so that their culture would gain a little more of the popularity it lost over the last 50-60 years or more. It is all about satisfying their narcissist side, I don't see anything more to that.
Nope, it was only a violence problem. It started in a book about violence on tv she wrote (the book was not only focused on animes). IIRC, in the book, she said she judged japanese anime from the sample we had on french TV and even admitted there were some good shows (like Future Boy Conan and Tomu Sy no bken)
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Old 2007-05-27, 14:07   Link #8
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double post. Please delete.
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Old 2007-05-27, 14:07   Link #9
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Chirac is a notorious lover of sumo and Japan
If I had a child belonging to another culture (and/or, maybe, money coming from that place), I wouldn't hesitate to show additional support for that culture.

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Nope, it was only a violence problem. It started in a book about violence on tv she wrote (the book was not only focused on animes). IIRC, in the book, she said she judged japanese anime from the sample we had on french TV and even admitted there were some good shows (like Future Boy Conan and Tomu Sy no bken)
Still, not a pretty good excuse. It is a little similar to trying to blame the adult sites on the internet, and trying to filter them as the government. That is not a good solution. The family has to share the responsibility. If they do not want their kids to watch those shows, they can prevent their child to view the show. If the family does not mind the child watching the show, and let the kids discharge that way, then the government should not interfere with that.

It is not that much different than claiming: "I am an ateist, so I don't want religious programs to be broadcasted at an early time, since they give psychological harm to my children."

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Old 2007-05-27, 14:40   Link #10
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Mrs. Royal is very popular among the French people, but the Japanese anime business will not be very happy if she becomes the president of France, because Segolene Royal is known for her anti-Japanese anime sentiment. In the 70's and 80's, when Japanese animation first became popular in France and many titles were aired on TV, Segolene Royal led the anti-Japanese animation movement of the time.
Grosse pute degenerer, j'lui chie a la guele! I didn't know about that until now lol, but anyway now that I learned that, I am pretty damn glad she didn't get elected.
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Old 2007-05-27, 15:10   Link #11
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Both candidates may be very well aware that the manga/anime industry brings a lot of money in france, I don't think they are dumb enough to alienate a part of their voting pool.
I am actually more worried about our president's stance over the downloading issue (both music and visual medias).
Wait and see, etc...


PS: I did not vote Nicolas either and chose to cast a blank vote in the ballot.
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Old 2007-05-27, 15:35   Link #12
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PS: I did not vote Nicolas either and chose to cast a blank vote in the ballot.
Didn't even vote at all, at least last time was better it was Chirac Vs LePen lol no wonder Chirac won with 80% votes but this time you had to choose between crap and crap, not even worth your time...
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Old 2007-05-28, 02:22   Link #13
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From across the water, it looked like ya'll had two mediocre choices.

Bush-lite 2.0 or "think of the children" Nanny .... bleh.

Not that most of *our* choices are any better lately....
Choose from Corporati #1, #2, #3 ....
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Old 2007-05-28, 04:23   Link #14
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I'll bet Le Pen wouldn't have freaked out about anime on TV.

Le Pen is freaking awesome. Anyone who was in the OAS desrves to be President of, like, anything they want. And I'm pretty sure I could sit down and watch Shakugan no Shana with him without him blowing a fuse about how it was going to make the children of the world go crazy and all do drugs and have wild sex and stuff. If he wasn't afraid of the FLN or of De Gaulle, he won't be afraid of a little anime. Really, people like Royale need to get a life.
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Old 2007-05-28, 11:07   Link #15
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Honestly, that doesn't make Sarkozy any better, now, does it?! He's manipulating the media, so what's worse?
..Sometimes I just can't understand you French people (no offense, really).

(It occurs to me that every (European) country needs to have a Berlusconi-type politician once in a while, just so they notice.. certain things)
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Old 2007-05-28, 11:43   Link #16
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(It occurs to me that every (European) country needs to have a Berlusconi-type politician once in a while, just so they notice.. certain things)
You have to be kidding me... right?
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Old 2007-05-28, 13:07   Link #17
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Honestly, that doesn't make Sarkozy any better, now, does it?! He's manipulating the media, so what's worse?
..Sometimes I just can't understand you French people (no offense, really).
It just happened that the medias favored him so much while Royal was so mediocre (she can't even do a proper speech), that the majority went for him in a heartbeat. Let me explain that media bias, on one hand, we had a part of the media who tried to point out how dangerous he could be, on the other hand the mainstream ones tried to give him the image of a savior (a part of the french voting pool had enough of Sarkozy pictured as the devil). Royal screwed up a lot of things, but her worst screw up (the one that cost her the presidency) was her loss of temper during the debate with Sarkozy. It was that bad my eyes rolled and I felt like Kyon facepalming at this.

Maybe the next five years will be another rude cold shower for those who really hoped the coming of a new age of glory for a declining country, maybe it will be the other way around. I just don't know.

French left-wing parties needs to revamp their own politics and image if they want to hope to beat Sarkozy in 2012.

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From across the water, it looked like ya'll had two mediocre choices.

Bush-lite 2.0 or "think of the children" Nanny .... bleh.
You put it the best way I could think of.
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Old 2007-05-28, 15:20   Link #18
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..Sometimes I just can't understand you French people (no offense, really).
So funny I suppose your Engela Mercel is god sent? She's no better then Nicalas sarkozy actually..
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Old 2007-05-28, 15:25   Link #19
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Interesting topic. Thanks for starting it. Although the fact is that just because Segolene was bad doesn't mean Sarkozy is good. And it appears that later posters give a more balanced and accurate view of the situation: that she was against violence on TV, not just certain anime.

Vexx sums up the situation as I saw it from North America. I really, really wanted to be a wholehearted supporter of Segolene, but.... However, the one thing that gave me a bit of hope was an interview with a black Parisian truck driver who was in favor of stricter immigration controls. Every country has problems, and France's appear to be immigration/acculturation/prejudice and unemployment. However, French lifestyle and culture (in the broadest sense) are so enviable. There are many nice places in the world to live, and France is one of the best, in my limited experience of it.

I should say that I didn't like the violent, sexist comments (in French) in Lawfer's first post. And although I don't think of Le Pen as the devil, I think that fighting the FLN is far from a sufficient qualification to be president, as Nergol suggested. As a North American, I have to say, however, that I admire even small steps toward racial harmony taken in European countries, which have been unicultural and uniracial for centuries, which makes accepting new cultures more difficult. I expect more from North America, which has always been a land of immigrants.
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Old 2007-05-28, 18:38   Link #20
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However, French lifestyle and culture (in the broadest sense) are so enviable. There are many nice places in the world to live, and France is one of the best, in my limited experience of it.
What's wrong with my post? I posted it in french and it hasn't been moderated due to the fact that I haven't broken any rules from the forum, if I had posted in english though that would be another story.

Let me get the facts straight though, sarkozy ain't any good, segolene royale ain't any good as well. But it seems you are in favor of LePen, even if you only half admitted it, I am sure you know that LePen is one hell of a racist SOB? But hey Sarkozy ain't any better either, he's racist too. So actually, we are stuck with 3 crappy choices:

1st choice LePen: A Full blown 70-80 years old racist.

2nd choice Sarkozy: A closet racist who hates arabs (the guy is jewish by the way, no wonder)

and

3rd Royale: Some kind of mix between a soccer mom and some kind of next-gen feminist wannabe, who's against alot of stuff like anime etc...

So really, what's your choice gonna be? Between worse and worse? All those 3 guys are reformists who have their very own agendas in mind, that are definitly not wanting to be elected for president to serve France, but instead to do what they want. Kinda like Bush.
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