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Old 2007-05-24, 22:03   Link #681
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Clow: Nice art, but IMHO still is missing something that makes it look like Tsukasa. I think maybe because the eyes aren't in the RakiSuta style?

PS: *Everyone* has trouble with hands #1 most difficult thing for artists IMHO. #2 might be considered breasts, as they are surprisingly difficult to draw correctly
Massugu de GO! ... Sorry, I just love that.

Tsukasa has been the most challenging one for me to draw in different styles... I tried ARIA style (she'd be from Orange Planet, of course ), then I also tried to "Flonne-ize" Tsukasa (anyone here a Disgaea fan?), but that didn't work... I think it's because Tsukasa has such a generic look to her that she isn't recognizeable anymore if she's done in a different style unless she's colored or is wearing the clothes she wears in L*S. By comparison, Kona is really easy to spot in different styles - she's got that mole and the cowlick, plus the ankle-long hair.

I'll post what I've done of Tsukasa (later) to show you what I mean... you won't recognize her.

As for what's difficult... I find girl-hands and breasts to be a breeze compared to drawing GUYS. Guys have bigger hands and a bigger body all around... the shape of the arms and legs are the same, yet different... *sniff* I phail at guys.
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Old 2007-05-24, 22:23   Link #682
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Massugu de GO! ... Sorry, I just love that.

Tsukasa has been the most challenging one for me to draw in different styles... I tried ARIA style (she'd be from Orange Planet, of course ), then I also tried to "Flonne-ize" Tsukasa (anyone here a Disgaea fan?), but that didn't work... I think it's because Tsukasa has such a generic look to her that she isn't recognizeable anymore if she's done in a different style unless she's colored or is wearing the clothes she wears in L*S. By comparison, Kona is really easy to spot in different styles - she's got that mole and the cowlick, plus the ankle-long hair.

I'll post what I've done of Tsukasa (later) to show you what I mean... you won't recognize her.

As for what's difficult... I find girl-hands and breasts to be a breeze compared to drawing GUYS. Guys have bigger hands and a bigger body all around... the shape of the arms and legs are the same, yet different... *sniff* I phail at guys.
I'm a Disgaea fan who'd love to see your Tsukasa as Flonne sketch. It may require an attempt at Etona-izing Kagami for balance...

You're not the only one that has trouble drawing guys. The difficulty of drawing a guy who looks good, shows a range of emotions, and poses well is why Disney's princes were such dweebs for many decades.
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Old 2007-05-24, 22:57   Link #683
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lol OK. Actually I did do a Kagami in Etna-gear... it's too bad she turned out looking like a whore. You can actually see a bit of her tail in the Tsukasa-is-Flonne scan. Ah... I thought I scanned the ARIA Tsukasa one but I can't seem to find it...

I've figured out how to get the scans to come out a little better... some of them still look terrible though. Sorry about this.



Spoiler for This doesn't look like Tsukasa T_T:
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Old 2007-05-24, 22:58   Link #684
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As for what's difficult... I find girl-hands and breasts to be a breeze compared to drawing GUYS. Guys have bigger hands and a bigger body all around... the shape of the arms and legs are the same, yet different... *sniff* I phail at guys.
It's very common for men to have trouble drawing women and for women to have trouble drawing men.

I think it's because our hard-wired inclination to be effected by the appearance of the opposite sex has a subtle effect on our learned artistic ability to see things as they are rather than as we interpret them.
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Old 2007-05-24, 23:06   Link #685
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lol OK. Actually I did do a Kagami in Etna-gear... it's too bad she turned out looking like a whore. You can actually see a bit of her tail in the Tsukasa-is-Flonne scan. Ah... I thought I scanned the ARIA Tsukasa one but I can't seem to find it...

I've figured out how to get the scans to come out a little better... some of them still look terrible though. Sorry about this.



Spoiler for This doesn't look like Tsukasa T_T:
Meido Kagami is pretty cute (yeah, I'd love to see an "Etona-ized" Kagami
I liked the picture of Kona teasing Kagami about the twintails though its pretty sketchy...

The hair shading and definition is excellent but it looks like some of the faces are giving you a bit of hell.
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Old 2007-05-24, 23:20   Link #686
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Meido Kagami is pretty cute (yeah, I'd love to see an "Etona-ized" Kagami
I liked the picture of Kona teasing Kagami about the twintails though its pretty sketchy...

The hair shading and definition is excellent but it looks like some of the faces are giving you a bit of hell.
Whoa! Another Disgaea fan! *cheers* I'll try again with Etna-Kagami sometime this week (I'll have *plenty* of time after tomorrow - summer break woo hoo!).

This was my first attempt at shading, so I'm really pleased. I figure I need to do something extra since I can't color. (Back to kindergarten for me eh?)

The only one of the faces that's really in my style is the Tsukasa one (you can always tell because I put a tiny space in the cheek and the chin lol)... The Kona ones are the faces I usually do for chibi characters, so it was weird using it on a non-chibified char! Which faces in particular are giving you a hellish vibe? I'll go back and re-do them.
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Old 2007-05-25, 00:22   Link #687
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And Lucky*Star fanart you shall have.

So here's a Konata in a way she's never supposed to look. I guess thinking of her in different dimensions makes her somewhat more attractive to me than she usually is. You know...how she might hide a different side of her own. I didn't do this one very well, but I'm not messing with it much further.

The Melancholy of Izumi Konata
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And Lucky*Star fanart you shall have.

So here's a Konata in a way she's never supposed to look. I guess thinking of her in different dimensions makes her somewhat more attractive to me than she usually is. You know...how she might hide a different side of her own. I didn't do this one very well, but I'm not messing with it much further.

The Melancholy of Izumi Konata
Woo! Yeah, it's so weird seeing Kona serious and, well, *melancholy*. I like the detail you added to the jacket, and that you added a scarf. I like that you added in shading as well... even for her forehead (that's one part I often forget). I'd say just watch out for Kona's hairline...
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Old 2007-05-25, 01:02   Link #690
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Whoa! Another Disgaea fan! *cheers* I'll try again with Etna-Kagami sometime this week (I'll have *plenty* of time after tomorrow - summer break woo hoo!).

This was my first attempt at shading, so I'm really pleased. I figure I need to do something extra since I can't color. (Back to kindergarten for me eh?)

The only one of the faces that's really in my style is the Tsukasa one (you can always tell because I put a tiny space in the cheek and the chin lol)... The Kona ones are the faces I usually do for chibi characters, so it was weird using it on a non-chibified char! Which faces in particular are giving you a hellish vibe? I'll go back and re-do them.
The center two Kona sketches... the face just looks ... wrongly chibi (unlike that first one you posted).
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The center two Kona sketches... the face just looks ... wrongly chibi (unlike that first one you posted).
Eep! I had a feeling it'd be those two... because of all the shading, if I went in and re-did the head, it'd look really weird... So I'll try to make *new* Kona drawings with nicer faces. (Tonight Robertness convinced me to do a Laharl-Kona pic... I have no idea how that's going to turn out.)
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It's very common for men to have trouble drawing women and for women to have trouble drawing men.

I think it's because our hard-wired inclination to be effected by the appearance of the opposite sex has a subtle effect on our learned artistic ability to see things as they are rather than as we interpret them.
Haha, that's what happened to me when I started drawing anime, I can't seem to draw girls, at all. They always ends up looking like a feminine guys... urgh. Good times...

However lately, I seems to forget how to draw manly guys, since... for the last 1 year, I concentrated on drawing girls, which makes me 'forget' how to draw man

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lol OK. Actually I did do a Kagami in Etna-gear... it's too bad she turned out looking like a whore. You can actually see a bit of her tail in the Tsukasa-is-Flonne scan. Ah... I thought I scanned the ARIA Tsukasa one but I can't seem to find it...

I've figured out how to get the scans to come out a little better... some of them still look terrible though. Sorry about this.



Spoiler for This doesn't look like Tsukasa T_T:
Those were nice, I must say , although Fionne Tsukasa is...

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As for what's difficult... I find girl-hands and breasts to be a breeze compared to drawing GUYS. Guys have bigger hands and a bigger body all around... the shape of the arms and legs are the same, yet different... *sniff* I phail at guys.
I find drawing hands, guys or girls, is extremely difficult for some reason
And also, I phail at drawing POSE.
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Yes, I'm at it again. Kagami sketch.

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I know a lot of stuff needs working on, but I like to share all the same.
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Old 2007-05-25, 02:04   Link #694
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Thanks for posting your art! That's a neat pose you've got Kagami in. One of the first things you might want to consider is drawing her in a light blue pencil first, then outlining your drawing in regular pencil. It would cut down on all the skritchy-ness and it'd be no problem if you were to mess up your initial light-blue sketch. Otherwise.. great job.
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Thanks for posting your art! That's a neat pose you've got Kagami in. One of the first things you might want to consider is drawing her in a light blue pencil first, then outlining your drawing in regular pencil. It would cut down on all the skritchy-ness and it'd be no problem if you were to mess up your initial light-blue sketch. Otherwise.. great job.
Thanks for the suggestion. Is it a special type of pencil, this light blue one? Like, used for drafting and whatnot? I used the burn tool in photoshop to enhance some of the pencil lines; most of them ended up really light due to the scanning.
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Thanks for the suggestion. Is it a special type of pencil, this light blue one? Like, used for drafting and whatnot? I used the burn tool in photoshop to enhance some of the pencil lines; most of them ended up really light due to the scanning.
I meant just a cheap regular colored pencil.. though if you have photoshop, there's no need - you can change everything to light blue and redraw lines right in it. (Though if you suck at using photoshop like me, maybe it'd be better to use the pencil. )

I've been using a special *sketchy* pencil.. I use four of them for all my sketches - 4H, H, B, and 4B. If you use a 4H pencil, the lead is hard and it comes out very light (and 4B is soft and comes out very dark), so alternatively you could use that instead of a light blue pencil... I just thought it'd be cheaper to get the colored pencil.
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The nice thing about the blue pencil is that the scanners completely miss it (even if it isn't an official "scanner invisible" pencil --- it makes it easier to 'photoshop' it away).
So you can be as sketchy as you like, pick the best lines for actually penciling in (or even inking) and then the scanner just picks up that.
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The nice thing about the blue pencil is that the scanners completely miss it (even if it isn't an official "scanner invisible" pencil --- it makes it easier to 'photoshop' it away).
So you can be as sketchy as you like, pick the best lines for actually penciling in (or even inking) and then the scanner just picks up that.
Oh, I know... But the whole issue with me is that I like my finished arts as clean as they look when they scan. I ink the art, let it dry, then erase it all with white eraser.
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The nice thing about the blue pencil is that the scanners completely miss it (even if it isn't an official "scanner invisible" pencil --- it makes it easier to 'photoshop' it away).
So you can be as sketchy as you like, pick the best lines for actually penciling in (or even inking) and then the scanner just picks up that.
...Why did you give up drawing? I'm surprised, but maybe it's not so unusual for a seemingly non-artsy person to know this anymore.

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Oh, I know... But the whole issue with me is that I like my finished arts as clean as they look when they scan. I ink the art, let it dry, then erase it all with white eraser.
Aah inking makes everything look better... unless I'm the one doing the inking. Three? Maybe five? years ago I was into inking everything and then erasing the pencil just like what you described, but that was until I realized I'll *never* get good at it. Many an ink blot has ruined my drawings.
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I have a finite amount of time in the week (like all of us )... I had to pick and choose my hobbies in order to fit in a career, marriage, and especially kids. Drawing just kept getting left out. My creative muses were satisfied with software development and medieval crafts for a long time, then home improvement projects. But otherwise, I've been volunteering at my kid's school to support math, sciences, debate, japanese language ... I've probably restarted my "sketching skills" 3 or 4 times now in my life. Perhaps I'll try again in a couple of years after #2 son leaves for college but right now time I'd use for drawing is being devoted to learning to read/write/speak japanese ( I do have some calligraphy brushes that I use to mangle kanji with ).
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