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Old 2012-09-01, 11:11   Link #641
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My Japanese isn't the best but I believe it's say class/group number, I didn't expect Yuma to be second oldest she should really give herself more credit for surviving so long at such a low rank.
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Old 2012-09-01, 11:28   Link #642
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Clearly Claire cannot be the 150th warrior if Claymores are constantly being replaced and the Luciela incident alone wiped out so many, not to mention Hysteria's massacre as well.

Those are generation/graduation class numbers. Of course, we still don't know how much time elapses between generations.
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Old 2012-09-01, 12:42   Link #643
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But she can be 150th warrior of one generation which lasted even earlier than from Miria to Clare. I don't think that the word generation is the right one, it would mean that from Isley or Riful to Teresa there were 77 generations but from Teresa to Clare 73. That doesn't seem right.

Anyway, thanks for your summary zzhk .
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Old 2012-09-01, 12:52   Link #644
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Smile Price discrimination in the Claymore

hi nice to meet you. I want to write about Price discrimination the Organization could do unless it is idiot, which is refered in Economics. even though my english is fool cuz I'm Korean,speaking korean of which order of word is opposed to that of english, I would say thank you if you read this , my opinion below with endurance.

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The Price discrimination in the "Claymore".

the organization in the Claymore is monopoly company to do price discrimination. At first, I need to explain siimple story about the Claymore.

In the claymore, once upon a time, There were Yoma,which are monsters and eat human beings. they were afraid of Yoma."The organization" all of sudden appeared to kill Yoma.It picks up girls from devestated village-that is, they are orphanes-and buys them from slave-dealer.it trains them with tatics and Mashalls of sward. and especially it puts Yoma's bleed & flashes into their body. so they become helf-yoma-helf human,whose eyes become yellow. they are claymore,which is called by people cuz they have a huge sword that is never broken. when Yoma appeared, or village people suspect that Yoma would invade into vilage to eat humans secretly, they call the organization to deliver a claymore. she finds Yoma(s) and kill them.then village people pay money for killing them to the organization.

The price discrimination means that a monopoly company sells goods or services to those who demend them at different prices. - someones at high price, others at low price. Why does the monopoly comapany want to sell goods or services with Price discrimination? it's because it wants to more make profit. then does it , The Price discrimination, makes the Monopoly company profit more than sell at Unit Price? Yes, of course. but there are needed some conditions before Price discrimination.

First, of couse as I told , the company which want to do Price discrimination should become the only company in the market or industry. or it has to have market power like the monopoly enterprise. if it has competitive company & the competitive company tries to sell them cheeper than it , buyers will run to them that come from the competitive company. then the monopoly company neither sell goods or services at Unit Price nor even at price discrimination.

Second, the Arbitrage that means buying cheeply & selling highly to make profit should not be possible. suppose it sells them with Price discrimination. then a man who bought them in his market can sell them to other market which the monopoly company sold them highly in, at more expensive price than the price in his market, but less than how it sold them. if so, buyers change to buy them that he sells. and the monopoly company can't sell with varius prices.




The organiztion is only company in "killing-yoma-service". of curse, a man who has the power and skil to kill yoma can do it. but humans never distinguish yoma from human , because yoma can changes their shape into human. but claymores from the organization can do it though they can't, cuz they are helf-yoma-helf-human that can feel "Yoki" which is kind of atmosphere, 氣 from oriental, from yoma. yes the ability of distingushing which is yoma or who is human is kind of "entry barrier" that is used in economics, and by which other competitors in same market of industry can't come into the market.(The entry barrier is one of the important facter of whether a company can be the monopoly or not.) but also this abiliy can be what can prevent others from doing arbitrage. a man who is useal can't distinguish human beings from yoma, so he can't kill them paid less fee from vilarge than the organition's price.


Now, it's time for the answer of more profit by price discrimination than by Unit price. in case of Unit Price of killing youma, some huge villages or cities like holy city rabona that is in the middle of the world of the claymore can pay the fee for killing yoma without few hestation because the willingness of them is higher than Unit price. but other villages where there are almost the poor living may hesitate to pay it because their imcomes are not high , their willingness to pay it is less than the price. it means that the organiztion can make money from just only the former villages, not from the laters. but in other case of different Prices , it can get profit the later village by low price almost near their willingness. instead, it also suggests higher price than first case of price(Unit Price) to former villages. this is the reason that the organization can get more profit by different prices than by Unit price.

More correctly, the organization can do P.D. , exactly the 3rd P.D. the 3rd P.D. is that a monopoly company supplies goods or services doing P.D.,While the the market where it wants to sell divided into several markets. yes 3rd P.D. is possible when it can separate the whole market into some of markets. it would set each prices considering the elasticity of price of demand.


In the claymore, the organization has been for over "100 years". so we could guess it could separate demand curve with each villages. actually it costs to survey demand curve a lot , I heard. but I think many years could give imformations about demend curve of each villages to it. the elasticity of price of later villages from above would be gussed higher than former villages like holy city rabona (cuz in later villages, the poor are living, killing yoma would seem kind of the luxury good to them).So we can think out that Price on later villages would be lower than former villages.(with technic, we can also discover why the elastics of the later is higher than that of the former by using of "the Armoroso-Robinson formula", but I won't say that.)

thank you for reading my week-english-based opinion
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Old 2012-09-01, 15:54   Link #645
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However, Economic theory does not apply here.
The organization's major sponsor is military, not villagers. They just rips off villagers alone the way.

At the current stage, the story is still unclear. The former number 4 speculate that the threat is some unknown being. He believes that the constraint(Clare) went off. So, the body is shared by two monsters. They try to defeat each other and gain the control of the body. Because the battle, "it" needs to drain(?) the audience.
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Old 2012-09-02, 06:28   Link #646
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thank you but...

thank you for reading my opinion.

it doesn't matter whether major sponsor is military or not. i mean even if the sponsor is military, the organization has good conditions for Price Discrimination ,as I wrote above , that it can do it.
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Old 2012-09-02, 09:48   Link #647
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Spoiler for length:
I'm not sure if you've read alll available chapters but
Spoiler for youma origin:


The Organization is not a for profit organization, they need funds to continue operating and to occasionally pay off families/villages to acquire a kid but otherwise wealth is not a real concern.
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Old 2012-09-02, 13:24   Link #648
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team 7 has return! this is the first time Clare revealed to others about her story and motive, i guess the end is near...
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Old 2012-09-02, 18:02   Link #649
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team 7 has return! this is the first time Clare revealed to others about her story and motive, i guess the end is near...
Sounds like you're saying "end of the manga"
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Old 2012-09-02, 21:27   Link #650
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Sounds like you're saying "end of the manga"
Yagi did say a few years ago that Claymore story would be finished around Volume 25-26, we're now at volume 23 so around another 20 chapters to wrap up the Priscilla fight and the story as a whole.

They could be a Claymore part 2 where the dragons show up and the story moves to the mainland, but the story as it is now can't really go on for much longer after Priscilla is killed or what ever happens to her there's nothing left to do.
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Old 2012-09-03, 05:29   Link #651
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Old 2012-09-05, 21:42   Link #652
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Yagi did say a few years ago that Claymore story would be finished around Volume 25-26, we're now at volume 23 so around another 20 chapters to wrap up the Priscilla fight and the story as a whole.

They could be a Claymore part 2 where the dragons show up and the story moves to the mainland, but the story as it is now can't really go on for much longer after Priscilla is killed or what ever happens to her there's nothing left to do.
Considering how quickly the pacing has moved now with Priscilla for the last battlefield, then I predict that Yagi is going to wrap up everything to conclude at volume 24th.
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Old 2012-09-06, 05:43   Link #653
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Considering how quickly the pacing has moved now with Priscilla for the last battlefield, then I predict that Yagi is going to wrap up everything to conclude at volume 24th.
Doubt it'll be Volume 24 that'd mean there's only 7 chapters left.
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Old 2012-09-07, 05:11   Link #654
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Claymore can go a lot longer, if they expand on the war with the Descendents of the Dragon. Hopefully, Claire will use whatever she learned before and during the merge to defeat these monsters.

As for Claire, she is 150th generation. I'm guessing each generation is a class of Claymores, the ones that fight to the death with Yoma before they are officially named and given a rank.
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Old 2012-09-07, 07:31   Link #655
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Hmmmmmmm ...
It's logical but all Claymore are not from the same generation.
I didn't thought about this but yes ...
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Old 2012-09-07, 07:31   Link #656
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What about Raki!? He says nothing the whole time!? Come onnnnnnnnnn!!

And it is as thundrakkon says, "generation" is the same as "class." Not sure which is better since the data book uses "current" and "previous" "generation" to distinguish Clare and Teresa.

And they better give Galatea her eyes back. They really really really will need all the help they can get.
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Old 2012-09-07, 09:57   Link #657
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What about Raki!? He says nothing the whole time!? Come onnnnnnnnnn!!

And it is as thundrakkon says, "generation" is the same as "class." Not sure which is better since the data book uses "current" and "previous" "generation" to distinguish Clare and Teresa.

And they better give Galatea her eyes back. They really really really will need all the help they can get.
Well, I don't think he can't do the basic math here
However I find the fact he is always smiling kind of... odd

Still waiting for his "Pris, oh, hi!"
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Old 2012-09-07, 12:18   Link #658
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Well, I don't think he can't do the basic math here
However I find the fact he is always smiling kind of... odd

Still waiting for his "Pris, oh, hi!"
I was waiting for him to share his time with Priscilla. I think that's important enough to share.

And it's genius on Yagi's part that Priscilla is near the rest of the awakened beings. She will probably win out the fight and then kill/devour all of them. She'll be the only awakened being left. Get rid of her and you'll have a solid conclusion on the island.
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Old 2012-09-07, 13:21   Link #659
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However I find the fact he is always smiling kind of... odd
It's a "crap when do I tell Claire I have been hanging out with the same Priscilla she's talking about for the past seven years." kind of smile.
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Old 2012-09-07, 13:51   Link #660
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How exactly is the ghost 7 going to defeat Priscilla though? Unless Claire got a massive power up from being inside the blob the only way for them to win is to talk Priscilla to death via Raki or something.
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