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Old 2013-03-04, 21:30   Link #861
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Where's a Spirit Bomb when you need it?

This is really getting out of hand. The challenge and power difference was big enough... but now!? Jeez. I hope we don't get some anti-climatic defeat at the end.
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Old 2013-03-04, 21:55   Link #862
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Claire needs to go super saiyan pronto.
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Old 2013-03-04, 22:29   Link #863
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Cassandra was created with the essence of Priscilla already within her so, for me at least, it's not too far-fetched that she can remote-control Cassandra. But to subjectate her and override her to the extent that she's controlling two bodies at once, it's crazy. She's like...Kerrigan, Queen of Blades from Starcraft!

Other than that, nothing much else really happened. Priscilla and Riful Jr. are smiling, almost enjoying the battle between each other... *shudders*

And with what Dae said about Priscilla prompted me to go back and re-read some of the stuff I had wrote on Priscilla from the now-retired Claymore Forum and I had speculated that Priscilla did hate herself for killing her Youma-fied Papa. ...kinda weird that it proved to be right after all this time but it's a moot point now...
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Old 2013-03-04, 23:24   Link #864
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Maybe with the talk that the ultimate power in the warriors come from them hating the yoma flesh within them, that it might eventually lead the key for victory for Claire. We all know by now that Claire hates no one more than she hates Priscilla. What if she is able to take in Priscilla's flesh? Her hatred might overcome Priscilla's take over, and in turn, Claire gets a huge power-up. Besides, I think the Teresa in Claire wil also help prevent a Priscilla take over.
You're kidding?!!

With this chapter, Yagi is basically telling us that hatred against Yoma is for Claymores what rage is for Saiyans.

I don't like the twist Yagi is taking with the concept of hatred, transforming it into some sort of biological entity engaged from the clinical approach.

I'll prefer the clichéd twist when hatred is taken from the spiritual approach like a sort of mass of darkness that taints one's mind to be subdued by an external force or an alien force from inside.
Many mainstream shounen take that clichéd approach such as Naruto, for example, but still I can buy the concept.
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Old 2013-03-05, 00:23   Link #865
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That "period" of mental progression was well over 7 years in length, and it was long enough that Priscilla would go out of her way to save Raki's life despite acting aloof about it.

Not to mention we still don't have her motivation for never killing little girls.


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Not progressing much in the past year?

We have had the Organization destroyed, Clare and Priscilla revived, Raki and Clare reunited, and what is quite likely the final battle of this manga well underway.
For 12 chapters of a monthly manga, that is fairly significant.

Compare that:
Berserk, who hasn't even gotten off that damn boat in 2 years
Rosario Vampire; who having been fighting through that fortress for almost 2 years now.
True, but we really don't know the reason why she saved Raki. If it was amusement, or a whim....who knows? I'm referring to her "Awakened" personality here. She shows zero traces of the human Priscilla otherwise, so why spare him? She could have just as easily left him to die. I'm not saying it's impossible that she showed a strange sort of gratitude, but considering how ruthless her Awakened persona is, she could have simply killed him to end his suffering. And it's not like her memories completely recovered, since she still blocked Teresa out and replaced her with Clare. And knowing what we know now about how her flesh can control other bodies, I question how much control she herself has over that, and if there was an alternate reason for saving Raki outside of twisted gratitude?

I believe the "don't kill little girls" thing was that she simply didn't see them. A kind of mental block about herself, perhaps? But then again, this chapter was just as confusing. I wasn't sure if Dae was suggesting about her exactly. I get the rage part, don't like it but whatever. But I wasn't sure what he was implying about her father. Was Priscilla a half breed, and her father was a Yoma all along? Or did she kill her father and then realize he wasn't really a Yoma? The text was confusing.

As for the pacing, the time between the Detroyer merging with Clare and the blob ending up at Rabona overlaps with the time at the Organization, which overlaps with the time spent going after Miria. Then you have a quick hop to Raki freeing Clare and Priscilla, Rabona being rescued, and all the stuff happening now. While it seems like a lot has happened, the bulk of these monthly chapters has been focused on fight after fight. Miria left Rabona to take down the Org in the summer of 2011. It's been well over two years.
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Old 2013-03-05, 02:05   Link #866
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Priscilla saved Raki because he smelled of Teresa / Clare. And she wanted / wants to kill Teresa / Clare. He was only a tool to her. She even said so before heading off to the Destroyer.

I had hoped this story wouldn't have a Dragonball Super Saiyan mega power up ending against an almost invincible enemy. I'm still hoping it won't go that way.
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Old 2013-03-05, 02:33   Link #867
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Priscilla saved Raki because he smelled of Teresa / Clare. And she wanted / wants to kill Teresa / Clare. He was only a tool to her. She even said so before heading off to the Destroyer.
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but Raki's "use" had finished; prior to her saving him as she made sure to say so that reasoning doesn't make sense either.
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Old 2013-03-05, 02:41   Link #868
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Priscilla had literally no reason to save Raki other then her own emotions. She had no "use" for him at that point, but still chose to save him. Priscilla's own mental block on little girls hints at much deeper emotions then Awakened Priscilla openly displays (aloofness and cruelty), just as her saving Raki did.

Most people just don't bother seeing past the surface because they don't want to sympathize with her, or even attempt to understand her character.

As for Priscilla's father, we know the Organization created Yoma, it stands to reason that Yoma were originally human before they were transformed. Priscilla wasn't half-anything before killing her father, her father had simply been transformed into a Yoma by the Organization.

On emotions effecting the strength of a warrior, it really isn't far-fetched considering what we already knew from Offensive/Defensive warriors. It isn't anything new when we consider how Yoki is effected by/effects emotions.
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Old 2013-03-05, 06:14   Link #869
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. Priscilla's own mental block on little girls hints at much deeper emotions then Awakened Priscilla openly displays (aloofness and cruelty)
That I will disagree with; I believe that this is the anime creators fault; only the anime said that Priscilla could not see/attack little girls, while the manga referred to Claire specifically and no other girl.
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Old 2013-03-05, 07:53   Link #870
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Kenshin, you forgot Ophelia's entire ordeal? She was one of those little girls that was spared by Prisiclla but she ate her brother.
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Old 2013-03-05, 08:36   Link #871
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Riful? Or at least something that looks like the child of Riful and Dauf? I don't even care about the story progression, the mention of Riful made me read the last 15 chapters at once <3
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Old 2013-03-05, 15:15   Link #872
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Kenshin, you forgot Ophelia's entire ordeal? She was one of those little girls that was spared by Prisiclla but she ate her brother.
thats a good point but not necessary evidence of it, but the scene I'm referring to is when Riful is explaining to Claire, Galatea and Jean; in the anime Riful say's all little girls but in the manga Riful is talking about when Priscilla walks past Clare.

Priscilla had no problem attacking Riful who is also a "little girl", Isley seemed to say that whole villages were eaten in extra chapter 3 (implying that no one was spared not even little girls)
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Old 2013-03-05, 15:18   Link #873
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Priscilla had no problem attacking Riful who is also a "little girl", Isley seemed to say that whole villages were eaten in extra chapter 3 (implying that no one was spared not even little girls)
Riful only looks like a little girl but Claymores/Awakens have different senses then just the normal 5.

You do have a point on Isley.
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Old 2013-03-05, 17:01   Link #874
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thats a good point but not necessary evidence of it, but the scene I'm referring to is when Riful is explaining to Claire, Galatea and Jean; in the anime Riful say's all little girls but in the manga Riful is talking about when Priscilla walks past Clare.

Priscilla had no problem attacking Riful who is also a "little girl", Isley seemed to say that whole villages were eaten in extra chapter 3 (implying that no one was spared not even little girls)
I really don't think that Riful would count as a human girl - Awakened Beings can distinguish between their kind easily if they can read each other's youki. Back when she first awakened, she didn't eat little girls because of her past trauma of killing her Youma-fied father. Now, hell, anyone could be considered fair game (except for Raki) since she most likely doesn't care one bit about anything else anymore other than being able to kill Teresa again.

As for Isley saying that entire villages were wiped out, he could have meant it as a generalization as well. For 1-4 young girls to survive an attack that killed everyone in their village, reviving it is out of the question. Most of the female survivors were likely taken to Staff to become Claymore trainees anyway, rendering the village completely 'destroyed'.
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Old 2013-03-06, 01:46   Link #875
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Cassandra was created with the essence of Priscilla already within her so, for me at least, it's not too far-fetched that she can remote-control Cassandra. But to subjectate her and override her to the extent that she's controlling two bodies at once, it's crazy. She's like...Kerrigan, Queen of Blades from Starcraft!
Cassandra and the other two number 1's never actually came back to live. What really happened was Priscilla's cell revived their cells and copied their personalities. So the revived number 1's were actually puppets from the start. That's why Yuma, Cynthia, and Tabitha cannot find Cassandra's true self.

Well, we have a born half-youma now. What's next? a born half-dragon? Raki's awaken?
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Old 2013-03-06, 05:25   Link #876
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After re-reading the chapter, I noticed something I did not think about before. The MIB mentioned that Priscilla realized that the yoma she killed when she was little was her father. That meant that the organization took her father, turned him into a yoma, and released him back into the village to start killing people. I just never thought about that before, but I should have realized it sooner.
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Old 2013-03-08, 08:51   Link #877
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as usual, so much happening in each chappy when there's fightin' going on. =3= but great chappy nonetheless.
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Old 2013-03-08, 20:08   Link #878
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I'm starting to get the feeling that Yagi is running out of ideas.
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Old 2013-03-08, 20:30   Link #879
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I'm starting to get the feeling that Yagi is running out of ideas.
Your getting this feeling now, the dude ran of ideas the second the destroyer was introduced (that's not to say the destroyer was bad but there's been a clear lack of direction in the manga since then).
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Old 2013-03-08, 20:45   Link #880
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Your getting this feeling now, the dude ran of ideas the second the destroyer was introduced (that's not to say the destroyer was bad but there's been a clear lack of direction in the manga since then).
There was a lot of snark in my statement. In all seriousness, I once thought the story was directed well with a clear goal in mind, but then it started becoming more and more like a Bleach or Naruto to keep the monthly sales going I suppose, and once that happened (after Pieta), I feel like the story has largely lost any real direction.

I certainly used to be far more engaged in it than I am today.
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