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Old 2012-05-01, 23:02   Link #22321
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Essentially, with the rosario and Outer's survival, all myself and cyberdemon are hinting is that Outer Moka wasn't truly created by the rosario, except for maybe her physical appearance. Otherwise, IMO, Outer is essentially the "girly" part of Moka that the terrible power of the Shinso blood had always been repressing, and once you repressed the Shinso blood (courtesy of the rosario), you get the girly part back. Unfortunately, because the Shinso blood had been repressed for so long (from Akasha to Tsukune unleashing it), it essentially became concentrated in what we can best call Inner Moka from the first half or so of SI

tl;dr: Outer is the "girly" part of Moka that due to suppression of the Shinso blood, was able to be in charge (and again, just look at the pie chapter or even the beginning of the flashback, and you can see Inner's looks with Outer's personality)

.. on a side note, should we really be using the term "rosary" instead of rosario" to decribe the cross (and maybe collar)?
actually I think Outer Moka's looks were her original looks as well as personality. They underwent a change when Akasha gave her the Shinso blood. Inner Moka is the personality of the blood. She has domination over the body because of it. She's basically Tsukune when his blood is active. It's just that she has used it since birth so her body has adjusted and controlled it in a more natural way. So her personality turned out much more normal when compared to Tsukune's usage.

Outer Moka had been asleep since the blood was put in her. The blood was always active so there was no way for her to wake up. Even to Akasha she was an unknown entity. Akasha intended for an artificial personality to take the place of inner Moka when she was sealed but the workings of the rosary left the necessary space for inner moka to finally awaken and take her place instead. The rosary repressed all aspects of the blood which turned even her form back to what it was when she was born as well. Because she has been suppressed all of her life, her personality is innocent as well. It was never built upon the views of the Shuzen as her sisters or the need to be strong and continue to fight.

It may also be possible that Akasha knew of outer Moka's existence and that was the real reason for suppressing Inner Moka. To free the outer Moka and maybe eventually see the 2 become one and be free. Telling her that Outer Moka was an artificial personality was just so that Inner wouldn't feel as threatened by her until they became too valuable to each other and viewed each other equally.
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Old 2012-05-01, 23:20   Link #22322
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Old 2012-05-02, 02:05   Link #22323
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I think I'm convinced that the good guys aren't going to die.
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Old 2012-05-02, 02:24   Link #22324
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if I think the same. the good guys can t to die, I think if moka want to defeat her sister,she needs to control her shinso power
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Old 2012-05-02, 04:01   Link #22325
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Old 2012-05-02, 05:26   Link #22326
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Old 2012-05-02, 05:55   Link #22327
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Old 2012-05-02, 23:44   Link #22328
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[off-topic]

So, following things section of the forums, I've noticed that only DxD has actually managed to get to the size of us, and even surpass it, and hence its current situation... and ours took years, whereas they did it in just one. Think the mods will hit us? Fortunately, Chris38 and y'all are keeping up relevant discussions...

If only the anime hadn't been so piss poor, we might've even gotten a subsection! [/off-topic]
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Old 2012-05-03, 12:49   Link #22329
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This thread is definitely used a chat room between two or three people, so who knows.
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Old 2012-05-03, 15:47   Link #22330
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An Akua Shuzen picture, a rare find indeed.

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Old 2012-05-03, 16:08   Link #22331
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I do enjoy the picture

I'll enjoy it even more when I see her dead body lying preferably in pieces on the floor, or maybe swallowed by Alucard along with Gyokuro

... did my sadistic side just show itself a bit too much?
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Old 2012-05-03, 16:26   Link #22332
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I do enjoy the picture

I'll enjoy it even more when I see her dead body lying preferably in pieces on the floor, or maybe swallowed by Alucard along with Gyokuro

... did my sadistic side just show itself a bit too much?
Not to much.
My thoughts about her are a bit more drastic and painful.
You're still pretty soft.

The image in itself is very good.
To bad it's about a loathsome (in my opinion) character who thinks that only her point of view is the correct one and everyone should bow down to her will.
A true megalomaniac.
Worst is, since she claims she is the only one that can protect Moka, I'm guessing the author is going to show us Outer (or even Inner) Moka forgiving her for all that's she done since she was caring so much for her "sister" and following her promise with Akasha.
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Old 2012-05-03, 17:13   Link #22333
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So... I finally managed to read the RAW

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Ugh... I forgot that waiting a month from these cliffhangers can be killer. And as much as I'd like to see Tsukune actually rip Akuha limb from limb, and maybe throw in that blast we saw when he went berserk mode, and generally mutilate her until she can no longer be recognized... well, that obviously ain't going to happen
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Old 2012-05-03, 17:20   Link #22334
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So... I finally managed to read the RAW

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Ugh... I forgot that waiting a month from these cliffhangers can be killer. And as much as I'd like to see Tsukune actually rip Akuha limb from limb, and maybe throw in that blast we saw when he went berserk mode, and generally mutilate her until she can no longer be recognized... well, that obviously ain't going to happen
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Old 2012-05-03, 22:22   Link #22335
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Raw.53

lots of things happen here. I really need the translation first before I can comment.

panels that caught my eye.

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Old 2012-05-03, 22:57   Link #22336
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An Akua Shuzen picture, a rare find indeed.

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Wow, that is rare! Love it. That looks like a manga panel, is it? What chapter is it from?
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Old 2012-05-03, 22:58   Link #22337
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Chapter 53, which hasn't been translated yet.
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Old 2012-05-04, 06:55   Link #22338
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Old 2012-05-04, 11:54   Link #22339
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