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Old 2008-12-07, 21:31   Link #6061
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more like he tries to put his OC into every situation... which annoys me to hell, because despite what he says, its basically like inserting a Deus ex Machina in, and while I usually like DeMs, it doesn't work so well in this case
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Old 2008-12-07, 21:36   Link #6062
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Deus ex Machina?
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Old 2008-12-07, 21:40   Link #6063
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Whwat some people would call the 'Know Your Place' Kick...
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Old 2008-12-07, 21:41   Link #6064
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... please tell me you've heard that term before

basically, a character that comes in from almost out of the blue, and saves everyone's asses. I usally like those in stories because it leads to happy endings (which I'm a total sucker for), but it doesn't quite seem to work in this case

... then again, he is a Mizore fanatic as well, and you know my biasm on that

and Tempest, the Know Your Place isn't a Deus ex machina, because the DeM generally only occurs once it a story... asnd how many times has she kicked people? At least three or so in the last chapter
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Old 2008-12-07, 21:47   Link #6065
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Oh, you mean like a Mary Sue/Gary Stu character.
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Old 2008-12-07, 21:49   Link #6066
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Yes, except those are there the whole time... DeM's come in out of the blue at the most crucial of moments (and I can actually stand DeM's)
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Old 2008-12-07, 22:15   Link #6067
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... please tell me you've heard that term before

basically, a character that comes in from almost out of the blue, and saves everyone's asses. I usally like those in stories because it leads to happy endings (which I'm a total sucker for), but it doesn't quite seem to work in this case

... then again, he is a Mizore fanatic as well, and you know my biasm on that

and Tempest, the Know Your Place isn't a Deus ex machina, because the DeM generally only occurs once it a story... asnd how many times has she kicked people? At least three or so in the last chapter
Moka has always been established as one of the most powerful characters in the story. That isn't deus ex machina.

Deus ex machina is more like in the highlight/drama of the story, something out of nowhere to solve all the problems. Comes from old Shakespeare plays where in the climax, lol machine/god comes out of nowhere to resolve everything.

Original characters themselves aren't bad. However, they are very difficult to do well.
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Old 2008-12-07, 22:53   Link #6068
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Moka has always been established as one of the most powerful characters in the story. That isn't deus ex machina.

Deus ex machina is more like in the highlight/drama of the story, something out of nowhere to solve all the problems. Comes from old Shakespeare plays where in the climax, lol machine/god comes out of nowhere to resolve everything.

Original characters themselves aren't bad. However, they are very difficult to do well.
Moka IS the most powerful character in the story (So far).

But DeMs are kinda overused in R+V ._.
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Old 2008-12-07, 23:07   Link #6069
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Only the Exorcist, and I suppose you could say the Bus Driver, are the closest things to DeM's that R+V has

you have guys that come in the nick of time to save things, but they aren't DeMs, since they're on panel constantly
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Old 2008-12-07, 23:14   Link #6070
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Moka IS the most powerful character in the story (So far).

But DeMs are kinda overused in R+V ._.
im not so sure that moka is the strongest, kahlua is still way up there (even more so -2 limiters). if anything its still a toss up between the 2 of them.
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Old 2008-12-08, 00:24   Link #6071
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If I am to make powerful OC I want his entrance to be wacky and funny like this!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnHO1...eature=related

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Old 2008-12-08, 00:53   Link #6072
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Remember in the manga Inner Moka was fighting Ghoul Tsukune and was stopped by Ruby's shadow wings or tentacles. Fairly enough a Kalua is a TANK that can take hits, still even if the match gone on Moka could have been sliced to ribbons already. Not unless they're like Arcuied that can return from the dead by regenaration process...

As for the height of the girls in the Guide Book(guide to what? lol ) Yukari is arced back so her height might be 4'8 or 4'7". Tsukune might be 5'9"/5'10". Man someone needs to scan that book and share it with us!!! XD XD XD

Speaking of Products. Yuki Ona variant version of Mizore.

3 variants of the girls Inner Moka, Succubus form Kurumu and Yuki Ona Mizore.

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Old 2008-12-08, 08:00   Link #6073
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why do you always gotta fuckin pick on me? Its getting on my nervs, and I havent even said anything about my Fanfic in a while except for the new Idea. You're starting to act like a jack ass imo.
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Old 2008-12-08, 08:55   Link #6074
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Don't let it get to you. Just look at the new Mizore product and all your problems will go away.
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Old 2008-12-08, 10:22   Link #6075
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@Magin: Then does making a new rival OC (not a romance one) for Moka in a new story frustrate you then?
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Old 2008-12-08, 10:25   Link #6076
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My Fan fic is just gona be a Filler /minor support character when the Organization fights with the acadmy.

and thats when I'm gonna kill off Kyero after he does his Gurren Lagann rip off fusion XD
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Old 2008-12-08, 10:25   Link #6077
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I throughly enjoyed the last chapter as the Snow Village comes to an end with even more questions than when we went in. I especially liked Jack Frost statement about Moka and Tsukune apparently they are going to change the world. But im really starting to think that happy band of High Schoolers were mean for a higher purpose. When they are all united there really isnt an situation that they cant handle eventually. The problem seems to be with the enemy and how they tend to underestimate them especially Mizore who i believe is the second most powerful person on the team if you exclude GAR Tsukune. The fact that even Inner Moka was surprised that none of them had been killed fighting her sister. She actually "so strong" this speaks volumes of how their team work has progressed over the two seasons and every now and then we see some very nice combination attacks usually between Mizore and Kuru-chan.

I dont think the evil organizations will make the same mistake twice as they only pulled out because creepy dude wanted to save Kalua. If the fight has persisted i think both sisters might have ended up dying. But we are due for Tsukune bad assness and im sure it will be aganist the evil bad guy ROUND 2 BITCHES and im sure we will get Vamp Tsukune this time around how long it will be im not quite sure.

If only the anime was as good as the manga it would have even higher ratings.
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Old 2008-12-08, 10:31   Link #6078
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5 bucks says Tsukune is gonna get training from Gin or Moka :P
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Old 2008-12-08, 10:42   Link #6079
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5 bucks says Tsukune is gonna get training from Gin or Moka :P
Kokoa.

Just for the humor, can you imagine what she would do with an apprentice?
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Old 2008-12-08, 10:51   Link #6080
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I guess the author likes ecchi so he allows Gonzo to let them so as they like for now in the anime, but it doesn't mean.

And yes Mizore as I said it before could be one of the top tiers in power in the group, just given the time.

Also note in comedic and non comedic situations she can freeze people in an instant.
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