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Old 2007-05-30, 05:48   Link #21
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To the previous poser: impressive listing of the songs there.

As for #15 from the 1980s, it's the last OP to Maison Ikkoku, one of my favorite series from the era.
I thought it might have been Maison Ikkoku so I guessed at it in my added piece on the Top 100-1 (of which the Top 10 are especially controversial, specifically the top 5). For one I think that people will have a canary that the Air song is in #4 (Which I find to be extremely generous, but not quite as generous as the rest of the Top 5 although still more generous than for Cruel Angel Thesis if both were to be ranked back further [I just know somebodies going to be reading that last sentence on generousity and going "What the hell is he trying to say with the overlapping double negative?!") and for two I think that all of the Top 5 songs aren't that great. At least Cruel Angel Thesis (Known as a Ruddy Mecha Opening to some) beat out that other Mecha Opening in #2 (Known to me as God Awful). Seriously though, give it to Platinum 2channel. I feel the song blows away all the other top ten songs (and this is coming from a huge mecha fan who is seeing a mecha song in the top spot that he happens to like, but denying its right to be there in favour of a song from a Shoujo anime [which he also happens to like even if its from a genre he normally doesn't prefer]).

Still, I bet a lot of mecha haters are cheesed that 5 of the top 10 songs are from mecha series. I have one thing to say to that. You guys lack the Soul of A Robot!
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Old 2007-05-30, 06:21   Link #22
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Best part of this thread are the reactions.
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Old 2007-05-30, 06:37   Link #23
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Am I the only one of opinion who likes this list?

I mean some of the mentions really are my favourites but I doubted ever making this. Mainly Gundam X Dreams, No.11 of the 90's WILL from Senkaiden Houshin Engi was a massively pleasant surprise.

Having Akatsuki no Kuruma as the 2000's No.3 was another nice one, I was almost expecting one of the openings. But that was a really nice entry from SEED.

Only real wtf is the 2000 #1, Aquarion opening wasn't bad but really either they have strange tastes or there was a mean joke played.

But seriously theres some unnecessary mecha hatred bias I notice.

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Old 2007-05-30, 06:50   Link #24
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Old 2007-05-30, 11:36   Link #25
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Am I the only one of opinion who likes this list?

I mean some of the mentions really are my favourites but I doubted ever making this. Mainly Gundam X Dreams, No.11 of the 90's WILL from Senkaiden Houshin Engi was a massively pleasant surprise.

Having Akatsuki no Kuruma as the 2000's No.3 was another nice one, I was almost expecting one of the openings. But that was a really nice entry from SEED.

Only real wtf is the 2000 #1, Aquarion opening wasn't bad but really either they have strange tastes or there was a mean joke played.

But seriously theres some unnecessary mecha hatred bias I notice.
No sir, you aren't. I respect the list, but I think others don't. I also think mecha carries a stigma ever since Gundam Seed Destiny of being shallow and full of mindless action (same goes for mecha openings). I'm hoping the new Macross can change that. The crazy thing is of the songs listed 31 are among my favourites and the others barring maybe 3 are alright to alright to tolerable. I was expecting loads of cheesy harem opening from 2channel, but they actually surprised me with their love of what I think a carefully composed and well sung songs. Not only that, but they took the time to subdivide the list in decades out of regard for the totally different and incomparable styles of the era (After the Top 200 list that is). For that I wish I could give 2channel positive rep.
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Old 2007-05-30, 11:55   Link #26
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Just from the top of my head:


#57 Kannazuki no Miko OP "Re-sublimity" by Kotoko

#56 Record of Lodoss War ED (Not Yoko Kanno or Maaya Sakamoto's best, but I personally liked it for quite some time)

#26 "Kimi o Nosete" or the ED theme from Miyazaki's 'Laputa: Castle in the Sky' - Definitely one of my all-time favorite song and Azumi Inoue's work with Studio Ghibli. Surprised that nothing from Totoro showed up (but that's probably due to demographics)

#25 Fruits Basket OP, written and sung by the late Ritsuko Okazaki. A beautiful piece.
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Old 2007-05-30, 12:40   Link #27
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I thought both Zgundam songs might have made it, and I was surprised not to see Lgaim intros.
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Old 2007-05-30, 12:53   Link #28
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200-101:
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You know somehow I get the feeling they had a hard time ranking the songs once they got their Top 200 nailed down. I'm led to wonder if these are actually being ranked or if its just a list of the Top 200 popular songs they could came up with in random order. Either Way I like at least 70% of these songs and only a few or so Top 10 all time faves aren't on there (Including Ai Yo Kienade from City Hunter 1). I really like the list overall though even if I would shuffle some songs around, but again its tough to do so, and I imagine that all the songs on the Top 200 list were pretty close together in terms of popularity and that a dice roll was probably necessary in a number of case.

@Potatochobit: Both Zeta Gundam songs did make it. Toki Wo Koete is in #100 and Filling the Star of Water With Love is #36, so good showing from them. you're right though. Kaze No No Reply from L-Gaim is in #139.

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Old 2007-05-30, 13:10   Link #29
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Old 2007-05-30, 13:27   Link #30
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What would you have preferred then and what was wrong with the list? Please, at least share with us your grievance with the list.
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Old 2007-05-30, 13:47   Link #31
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Old 2007-05-30, 13:58   Link #32
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Wow. I honestly can't believe anyone could like some of those songs from the 80s or 90s. Like I think I heard one of them before... the Dragonia one... cringeworthy lyrics like Chaser Dead Heat...ad infinitum (I'm sorry what?). Same goes for a lot of the old songs really. Must be nostalgia is my guess. 2000 onwards though... fantastic for the most part. Don't like Ali Project songs though, they all sound way too similar (honestly their Rozen Maiden songs are particularly skippable. Never understood their popularity to be perfectly honest). A complaint I had with the 80s songs too (some of them sounded horrible like that dude "singing" the dragonball OP... sounded like a wailing cat).

#1 for the 21st century songs though Akino! Wai! Wai! Great song, very fitting for the show (which is also fantastic, one of the few mecha shows I've enjoyed the others are just way too samey for my tastes, particuarly the old ones that seem like nothing more than over the top screaming and loads of spasm inducing effects which only kids could love). Personally I enjoyed God Knows more than most of those songs on there. Thought it was far better than the Rozen and Nanoha offerings. Possibly the only decent song from Haruhi though. I'm not too bothered by the rankings to want it to be any higher though or to complain too loudly.

Would have preferred seeing one or two of the openings from FMA and Eureka 7 on there though like the first two OPs from Eureka and Rewrite, Ready Steady Go and Melissa from FMA. Maybe one or two of the Naruto openings too particularly Haruka kanata. Some GTO songs would have been cool like Driver's High and the porno graffiti opening whose name escapes me. Maybe one or two of the openings from Touch for the 80s.

Seems like a fun exercise in nostalgia more than anything (which would explain some of the awful offerings from the 80s... or perhaps they didn't have better to choose from).

Anyway... enough rambling... usual disclaimers apply... (IMO, YMMV, yadda yadda yadda, etc...)
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Wow. I honestly can't believe anyone could like some of those songs from the 80s or 90s. Like I think I heard one of them before... the Dragonia one... cringeworthy lyrics like Chaser Dead Heat...ad infinitum (I'm sorry what?). Same goes for a lot of the old songs really. Must be nostalgia is my guess. 2000 onwards though... fantastic for the most part. Don't like Ali Project songs though, they all sound way too similar (honestly their Rozen Maiden songs are particularly skippable. Never understood their popularity to be perfectly honest). A complaint I had with the 80s songs too (some of them sounded horrible like that dude "singing" the dragonball OP... sounded like a wailing cat).

#1 for the 21st century songs though Akino! Wai! Wai! Great song, very fitting for the show (which is also fantastic, one of the few mecha shows I've enjoyed the others are just way too samey for my tastes, particuarly the old ones that seem like nothing more than over the top screaming and loads of spasm inducing effects which only kids could love). Personally I enjoyed God Knows more than most of those songs on there. Thought it was far better than the Rozen and Nanoha offerings. Possibly the only decent song from Haruhi though. I'm not too bothered by the rankings to want it to be any higher though or to complain too loudly.

Would have preferred seeing one or two of the openings from FMA and Eureka 7 on there though like the first two OPs from Eureka and Rewrite, Ready Steady Go and Melissa from FMA. Maybe one or two of the Naruto openings too particularly Haruka kanata. Some GTO songs would have been cool like Driver's High and the porno graffiti opening whose name escapes me. Maybe one or two of the openings from Touch for the 80s.

Seems like a fun exercise in nostalgia more than anything (which would explain some of the awful offerings from the 80s... or perhaps they didn't have better to choose from).

Anyway... enough rambling... usual disclaimers apply... (IMO, YMMV, yadda yadda yadda, etc...)
Maybe the 80's and 90's songs are just a little bit too hot blooded for some. I personally find a lot of 21st century songs to be too corny and the intrumental parts to be underwhelming at best. There was more of an emphasis on the instruments back then while nowadays there's more of an emphasis on cute Idol singers. That said it looks like our tastes are completely polar opposite. Also Kageyama Hironobu isn't know for great singing, but the passion he puts into his songs. Kind of like how I feel about Aya Hirano.

Oh and Melissa was on there, which to me is the weakest FMA song by far. No sign of Rewrite or Ready Steady Go though.

It really saddens me though to see so much hatred for the 80's and 90's. I think people have to know more about the era if they want to appreciate the songs. It's not Nostalgia at all, the songs are just different in style (More emphasis on drums, guitars, synthesizers and changing beats and less emphasis on soft voiced singers with simplified instrumental accompaniment). The 21st century is a bit too subdued for me, and I like to rock and roll with my music.

I've got to say that the videos arent' really helping people enjoy the songs they may be unfamiliar with. A lot of the 80's spots chose some of the weakest parts of the given songs for the samples and they weren't done justice. Specifically Yume Iro Chaser and Melos No Youni Lonely Way, but not limited to those two.

Anyway about Ali Project. I totally agree, their songs all kind of sound the same, but I don't mind their music at all compared to other groups. Then again a lot of H-Game openings by different groups or singers also sound the same so it's probably just this era and the simplified background music I was talking about. A singer can only carry a song so far, which is why I prefer the 80's and 90's. Intitially I was ready to discount the 21st century music altogether, but then I found there's a certain specific if somewhat uncommon aesthetic (a Je Ne Sais Quois) that I like about certain songs in the more simplified instrumentals of the 21st century. I think it's when the singer isn't oversinging the song, but is showing passion and working along with the musical accompaniment instead of overpowering it that I like 21st century songs. Maaya Sakamoto is like the prime example of working along with and seeming to feel the music she is singing instead of just belting out the lyrics (Which is why I didn't like the Sousei No Aquarion opening much).
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Old 2007-05-30, 16:39   Link #34
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Not that much help, ah well ^^
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Old 2007-05-30, 18:51   Link #35
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If you have an hour to spare, they have Top 200 in here. You'd probably find this ranking a bit less WTF. Yes, Higurashi is in there along with (I didn't count) at least 30 mecha songs. It totally explains why I got so sick of mecha I avoid them like the plague.

Top 200-100: http://www.nicovideo.jp/video/player/sm352330
Top 100 - 1: http://www.nicovideo.jp/video/player/sm342212

But yes, I'm quite surprised at how current anime fared.
404... Mirror please?
/edit: nevermind, it was just the first part that was wrong.
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Old 2007-05-31, 00:40   Link #36
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GO EVA!! Zankoku na Tenshi no Thesis is not a great song, but it's so profoundly and emotionally tied to me that I couldn't help but letting out a smile when I saw it. As for Aquarion, I haven't watched the anime, but it's Yoko Kanno, so what the heck, that woman deserves the whole 1-100 ranking for herself.

As for the other songs, can't say I'm particularly happy about their choices. I don't know a thing about 80's 'scept maybe for Saint Seiya and DBZ; there were a couple of nostalgic songs from the 90's (but how come Y'know from Bubblegum Crisis wasn't there!? HOW?!?), but most of them were alien to me; and from the 2000's, mixed feelings. I'm quite surprised that, despite the fact that a couple of Sakamoto + Kanno songs made it, there was no mention of Mameshiba, Baiku or Kuuki to Hoshi... Seems Arjuna wasn't such a great hit, I suppose.

Oh, and all the Gundam songs are completely alien to me. Mecha isn't of my particular choice (except perhaps for NGE ).

PS: Oh yeah, is series #11 from the 90's called Soul Hunter? Man, that one brings lots of memories from my initial steps into anime.
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GO EVA!! Zankoku na Tenshi no Thesis is not a great song, but it's so profoundly and emotionally tied to me that I couldn't help but letting out a smile when I saw it. As for Aquarion, I haven't watched the anime, but it's Yoko Kanno, so what the heck, that woman deserves the whole 1-100 ranking for herself.

As for the other songs, can't say I'm particularly happy about their choices. I don't know a thing about 80's 'scept maybe for Saint Seiya and DBZ; there were a couple of nostalgic songs from the 90's (but how come Y'know from Bubblegum Crisis wasn't there!? HOW?!?), but most of them were alien to me; and from the 2000's, mixed feelings. I'm quite surprised that, despite the fact that a couple of Sakamoto + Kanno songs made it, there was no mention of Mameshiba, Baiku or Kuuki to Hoshi... Seems Arjuna wasn't such a great hit, I suppose.

Oh, and all the Gundam songs are completely alien to me. Mecha isn't of my particular choice (except perhaps for NGE ).

PS: Oh yeah, is series #11 from the 90's called Soul Hunter? Man, that one brings lots of memories from my initial steps into anime.
If you want to know anything about the Gundam Songs and the 80's and 90's songs you know where to find me. You don't want to hear my opinion on Yoko Kanno compositions with vocals though (The one's where she makes up her own language and it sounds really discordant and unpleasant). All other songs by Yoko Kanno that are in a real language or have no lyrics are phenomenal though.

Still though, thanks for cutting the different style of the 80's and 90's a break though even though they were mostly foreign to you. Everytime I see somebody skewer them without really knowing the songs or why people like me like them or bothering to ask why I like them, it's like a dagger through my heart. Seriously! A part of me dies inside and my hope that the 80's and 90's series will ever get any respect diminishes.

I guess it's my fault though for going backwards in time with my anime viewership instead of forward once I gained access to fansubs. Where instead of gaining a respect for modern series first, I learned about the oldies and built my fandom around them, and then much much later on I joined the 21st century and am still learning about what makes the modern anime fan tick. I definitely need to get a better dialogue going between me and the rest of AnimeSuki.

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Old 2007-05-31, 01:51   Link #38
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I'm still trying to figure out why the era something was made in should have any bearing on someone's opinion of it. I mean, isn't a good story still a good story, no matter what decade it was made in?
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I'm still trying to figure out why the era something was made in should have any bearing on someone's opinion of it. I mean, isn't a good story still a good story, no matter what decade it was made in?
If only. I've tried that route before, it doesn't work. I can't name the number of people I've recommended Escaflowne, Macross Plus or Kimagure Orange Road to only to have them turn it down because it's from the 80's or 90's and "looks old". Plus if the people can't even get past something as superficial as the style of music in the 80's and are content to ridicule it as some sort of crap, how do you think their enjoyment story would go down? If Do You Remember Love can't get any love then frankly the 80's are screwed for tolerance and interest from modern anime fans.

I noticed that the posts after my summary and identification of the songs seem to be a lot less critical of the 80's and 90's music and even of the mecha music (Still don't get why the term mecha is a stigma these days and evokes feeligns of cheesiness and angst instead of tight plotlines and great characters. I blame Gundam Seed Destiny honestly. Thanks a lot Fukuda for ruining mecha for a generation of viewers by popularizing a view that does not in anyway reflect mecha as a whole).

Well, I guess I can go to sleep imagining that I have played a minor bit in changing the tone on 80's/90's anime music.

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Old 2007-05-31, 07:27   Link #40
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About 2 mins in so far on lunchbreak, I got most of them so far. Gonna test myself later on to see just how many I recognise

Also; Fuck yeah, Gundam X.

I did best on 80's/90's. Pretty much every track so far is awesome - I need a compilation of this.

Actually I'm glad to see so many Gundam tracks make it in, some of them are awesome.
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