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Old 2010-02-07, 19:00   Link #3461
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There's an idea that subtle changes in air currents are detectable by the "small rodent" parts of our brain (as well as the 'microsound' detection). So the presence of a body or its breathing is enough to jiggle the air around you which your body hairs and skin would notice. But no, I've not seen any research on the phenomenon. And yeah... I've had the experience myself. Even the cat can't hide from me.
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Old 2010-02-07, 19:24   Link #3462
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EDIT : I am not talking about Presence or Feeling One's Presence but pure Blood Lust .



Blood-lust has more to do with fiction when considering humans . The word has its association/origins with animals . Yeah when we do get angry, we give out hormones . But the human nose is incapable of identifying such smells . Animals on the other hand, can sense such smells and use these very smells/odors to intimidate .

So what I am trying to says is humans cant feel blood-lust . We can see it, but visuals conception has nothing to do with actual intent (murder) . Appearances are deceptive ... here is a picture of a famous murderer ....

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Old 2010-02-08, 05:10   Link #3463
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You've probably felt it before, at least once in your life: that prickly, electrical sensation running down the back of your neck, a tiny signal that someone is behind you.

So, I'm wondering if anyone had come across studies on this form of perception?

Anyone who's watched enough wuxia or chambara shows will no doubt recall classic references to 殺气, (sha qi, or saki), commonly translated as "bloodlust"; it usually comes up in scenes where the hero(es) senses life-threatening danger nearby.

I'm curious whether such sensations are related.
I've occasionally gone on research binges trying to find reputable studies on issues such as this, and I've always come back empty-handed.

A century ago, when so much more of the world's body of scientific study consisted of "taking shots in the dark", research like this wasn't as uncommon, but it didn't tend to get anywhere, either. Today, when there are other things to study that we understand much better, there just isn't as much room for reputable research into phenomenon where we don't even know what we're looking for or how to consistently evoke it, much less how we'd observe it. Add to that the wide body of frauds, pseudo-scientists, and pseudo-spiritualists who have so much public mindshare and I can see how real researchers are put off of it. (Especially those with the "If I can't explain it, it doesn't exist" mindset. It's a very bad mindset for a scientist to have, but ego often prevails.)

The closest I've seen to research that might begin to touch on the issue are some studies about the body's electromagnetic field.
Harold Saxton Burr was a professor of anatomy at Yale who, along with his successor, made some very curious observations in this area... but he went on to make some conclusions that were real stretches of logic. He believed that certain things could be observed by changes in the field and went further in believing that the body could actually be effected by changes to the field. If he was right on any of those points, well, it's presently lost thanks to his overeagerness overcoming his better sense.
Burr's research had some resemblance to the earlier works of Walter John Kilner, whodidn't make the wild conclusions that Burr did. Unfortunately, regardless of lack of tenuous speculation presented as theory and regardless of the intriguing patterns observed, Kilner's research ultimately didn't amount to much more than "Hey, if you look through this dye you can kind of see a haze".

Which isn't that I think electromagnetic fields are an adequate explanation for the phenomenon. Those are, simply, the most reputable lines of study I've thus far found that could be related to the subject. Today, as interesting and occasionally (thus far) inexplicable as they are, those would hardly be considered "real science". Anything else I've found looks more like what we saw Bill Murray doing in the early scenes of "Ghostbusters".

I have experiences (concrete, numerous... and unfortunately untestable) that put me in the position of being unable to dismiss such phenomenon as coincidence, imagination, or fantasy. For that reason, I find study of the subject fascinating, but I remain very realistic about any explanations I see. Being a person of faith, I could see it being something we'd call "spiritual", but I don't believe that means we couldn't study it scientifically... just that we don't know how yet.

If you make any interesting finds, I'd be very curious to hear!
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Old 2010-02-08, 21:53   Link #3464
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There's an idea that subtle changes in air currents are detectable by the "small rodent" parts of our brain (as well as the 'microsound' detection). So the presence of a body or its breathing is enough to jiggle the air around you which your body hairs and skin would notice. But no, I've not seen any research on the phenomenon. And yeah... I've had the experience myself. Even the cat can't hide from me.
The "microsound" explanation sounds compelling (sorry, couldn't resist the lame pun). I do know of one person who had done some apparently credible research into the phenomenon: Mr Vic Tandy, an engineering designer at the University of Coventry in Britain. A self-proclaimed sceptic, he was inspired to explore the physical factors that could have caused some people to experience "paranormal" phenomena. Interestingly, thanks to a fencing foil he had accidentally left in a lab with a newly installed fan, he discovered how infrasound could affect our perception.

Still, I do wonder if it's all just based on sound. I chose to describe the sensation as "electrical" because that is indeed how it sometimes feels: a tingling feeling that runs down the spine.

As for the allusion to "bloodlust", I wouldn't rule it out completely. While it has never been seriously investigated, much less proven, I find it plausible that people who have been constantly exposed to dangerous circumstances would develop heightened sensitivity to incoming physical threats. Maybe adrenalin has something to do with it. Of course, it's possible that such people are just being paranoid; or, worse, they could be suffering from post traumatic disorders.

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Which isn't that I think electromagnetic fields are an adequate explanation for the phenomenon. Those are, simply, the most reputable lines of study I've thus far found that could be related to the subject. Today, as interesting and occasionally (thus far) inexplicable as they are, those would hardly be considered "real science". Anything else I've found looks more like what we saw Bill Murray doing in the early scenes of "Ghostbusters".
Ah, yes, indeed. The thought of electrical auras had occurred to me but, like you, I'd generally found them to be less than credible. The idea seems more popular with New Age hippies than serious scientists, unfortunately.

Kudos to you, though, for catching the subtext of my question.
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Old 2010-02-13, 11:59   Link #3465
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Ah, yes, indeed. The thought of electrical auras had occurred to me but, like you, I'd generally found them to be less than credible. The idea seems more popular with New Age hippies than serious scientists, unfortunately.

Kudos to you, though, for catching the subtext of my question.
In fact, the idea of sensing these electrical auras DOES have a scientific concept, it is how your body reacts to it. Similar to the idea of why you don't feel tickled when wearing clothes, or how some girls can actually "feel so natural" wearing a bra a few sizes smaller to make their breasts look bigger, individual sensitivities are subjected to personal perspective : it all depends on whether the brain wants to trigger a reaction or not.

The human brain runs more than a million processes at any given instance and can't possibly keep track of every one of them. Probably why some the new-age hippies are branded as unproductive members of the society because their brain processes don't contribute to it.
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Old 2010-02-15, 21:12   Link #3466
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I needs some helps here...

I wants to find out how a vibration measurer (to calculate the impact of traffic loads on roads, or bridges, or buildings) works. Any information still be better than nothing, so pls help =]

I needs from the basic information (such as: what will go where if i have a unit and want to measure the vibration rate of the nearby bridge), to the actual mechanical detail ( "the vibration trigger X inside the unit, which then cause Y to start Z...")..... the wikipedia-ish type of information

Wasted some valuable time but keep hitting the wall, so i needs a push to get going =/

PS: The only things which i got so far is general information on Laser Doppler Vibrometer and Accelerometer (especiallt Piezotronic one). Both could be found in wikipedia or other encyclopedia through
wow math. can't believe people like math. it so boring
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Old 2010-02-16, 00:27   Link #3467
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wow math. can't believe people like math. it so boring
All my jobs have been heavily dependent on math... it can be more exciting when you're using it to solve real problems. But its like a toolkit... gotta have it or you're just waving your arms
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Old 2010-02-16, 01:19   Link #3468
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wow math. can't believe people like math. it so boring
But it's so easy once you realize the formulas. I find it easy to remember certain formulas and utilize them in millions different calculations. Knowing three more formulas for example give you nearly unlimited possibilities. Just one line of text for a thousand opportunities. How easy.
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Old 2010-02-16, 02:57   Link #3469
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All my jobs have been heavily dependent on math... it can be more exciting when you're using it to solve real problems. But its like a toolkit... gotta have it or you're just waving your arms
Academic math is one of the most boring subjects I have ever taken. But you are right, I could have scored a whole lot better in Physics if I didn't keep failing math.

There has got to be a way to make this subject more interesting......
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There has got to be a way to make this subject more interesting......
I'll take it you were fed 100 of chapters of "WTF do I need this for??" topics in math.
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Old 2010-02-16, 11:31   Link #3471
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I'll take it you were fed 100 of chapters of "WTF do I need this for??" topics in math.
Bingo. I was. For 6 bloody years.
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Okay, I've been wondering for some time now, but what the heck is does it mean being an "S" mean? I've tried to google it, without result. I've read some manga lately and I've stumbled upon it some times now.

Spoiler for Suki-itte Ii Na yo chapter 9 page 17:


Here, that guy also says his more of an "M". Wooot?

Can someone please tell me?
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Old 2010-02-16, 12:00   Link #3473
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I'll take it you were fed 100 of chapters of "WTF do I need this for??" topics in math.
Mathematics is fun... if you enjoy solving puzzles.

That's the conclusion I came to, long ago. I distinctively remember finally grasping how algebraic equations worked — it was a moment of sharp clarity, a "the-stars-are-in-alignment", "Eureka!" moment.

Yes, it sounds corny, I know. This was when I was 13, bear in mind, a time when I was just beginning to wonder why we were doing calculations that seemed to have no relevance to our daily lives. I was more interested in learning about the history and origins — the story — behind the algorithms (I didn't know that's what they are called at the time) than I was about solving meaningless problem sums. My classmate pragmatically told me not to think too much, and focus instead on following the steps given by our teachers.

Therein lies the nub of the problem: most of my classmates were interested in acing their tests, and not about learning per se. I needed a reason for what I was doing; my friends, on the other hand, needed only a 100 per cent score on their report cards. They preferred problems that were clearly defined and contained within set parameters that allowed only one correct answer.

(I think you can see where my long-running disdain for many "engineers" comes from. Some, but not all of them of course, tend to flounder when it comes to lateral thinking.)

The best way to illustrate the problems I had with maths is to refer you to a scene from Studio Ghibli's Only Yesterday, in which little Taeko explained why she couldn't figure out how to divide a fraction by another fraction, much to her elder sister's exasperation.

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Old 2010-02-16, 12:15   Link #3474
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All my jobs have been heavily dependent on math... it can be more exciting when you're using it to solve real problems. But its like a toolkit... gotta have it or you're just waving your arms
you have a point vexx. math is important and it's more fun to use it in real life situations when it school.

Still I just can't enjoy high course maths.

Still if you are interested in math that is a definite plus in your life. I wish I was.

But I am more interested in social studies, religion , geography, history and some parts of science (not to high level though) and astrology to some extent. that is my forte it seems .

Still it's good to be interested in something. And I mean we all have different tastes to what we find interesting and if we can utilize on those strong point we have bigger chances reaching high in life. or at least decent .

edit. oh and I love studio ghibli creations. those creations are like best creations known to anime world. I'm gonna see them all one day .

oh and sorry dude (above me) but I do not understand spanish that well. I wish I could .
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Old 2010-02-16, 12:19   Link #3475
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Okay, I've been wondering for some time now, but what the heck is does it mean being an "S" mean? I've tried to google it, without result. I've read some manga lately and I've stumbled upon it some times now.

Here, that guy also says his more of an "M". Wooot?

Can someone please tell me?
... I got to say that I don't like translations where they use the current slang terms instead of using plain English and then localize the JP-specific terms using (where possible) the Western equivalents.

I've never heard of either 'S' or 'M' in terms of people. Since the character is describing a person, maybe 'S' equals "sadist" and 'M' equals 'masochist"? 'S' could also be "slut" - since the girl character is being described as slutty - but the other term in my mind that starts with 'm' is... rude. I don't suppose you have the original raw image?
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Old 2010-02-16, 12:28   Link #3476
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oh and sorry dude (above me) but I do not understand spanish that well. I wish I could.
Which is just as well. I'd rather not be guilty of linking to a licensed Region 1 product. (Disney owns the home-video release and distribution rights in North America, but has not released the movie to date.)

The gist of the scene is simple: Taeko couldn't understand how division by fractions seemed to produce larger numbers (because the algorithm stipulates that you reverse the divider and multiply the upper and lower rows of numbers to get the answer), when dividing an integer (she used a single apple as an example) turns it into smaller numbers (fractions of a whole).

Taeko, being gifted in other areas, particularly in creative arts, was thinking in concrete terms. She couldn't grasp abstract concepts as easily as her sister, Yaeko. If you ask me, teachers fail their students when they aren't able to put themselves in their students' shoes, to see the world as they do.
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Old 2010-02-16, 13:03   Link #3477
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Okay, I've been wondering for some time now, but what the heck is does it mean being an "S" mean? I've tried to google it, without result. I've read some manga lately and I've stumbled upon it some times now.

Spoiler for Suki-itte Ii Na yo chapter 9 page 17:


Here, that guy also says his more of an "M". Wooot?

Can someone please tell me?
Looks to me like you're reading a scanlation with REALLY crappy translations. They're referring to "S&M" (sado-masochism) though I doubt the original Japanese dialog tracks much with it.

edit: noticed LynnieS's post and I agree. This sort of translation using such lame slang terms is not good practice. Localization is a tricky art -- and frankly, most attempts I see by scanlators and fansubbers fail miserably.
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Old 2010-02-16, 13:04   Link #3478
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Well I LOVE solving puzzles but I don't see myself liking Maths.

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Which is just as well. I'd rather not be guilty of linking to a licensed Region 1 product. (Disney owns the home-video release and distribution rights in North America, but has not released the movie to date.)

The gist of the scene is simple: Taeko couldn't understand how division by fractions seemed to produce larger numbers (because the algorithm stipulates that you reverse the divider and multiply the upper and lower rows of numbers to get the answer), when dividing an integer (she used a single apple as an example) turns it into smaller numbers (fractions of a whole).

Taeko, being gifted in other areas, particularly in creative arts, was thinking in concrete terms. She couldn't grasp abstract concepts as easily as her sister, Yaeko. If you ask me, teachers fail their students when they aren't able to put themselves in their students' shoes, to see the world as they do.
I never had a problem with mathematics until I reached high school. Trigonometry was the biggest fail I ever encountered because of all the double angle formulae, triple angle formulae, etc we had to memorise. And with the calculus, it was like 50% of the entire maths paper. As for statistics, I can never seem to comprehend what the questions were asking, other than the questions with "using hypothesis testing" and "at what level of significance".

I never understood why my brain filters out memories that don't make sense, so I keep flunking math. I loved Physics but I was never able to get distinction because of the mathematics involved. But I don't blame my teachers, I just give up too easily in life because I don't see the point in working so hard to fail, or doing something I explicitly hate.

As for your disdain with "engineers" you stated in another post, they are the result of our education system. The teachers are not exactly the ones to blame, but their parents : always telling their kids to stay out of trouble by not asking questions, and blindly listen to what the teachers teach.

Unfortunately, I predict that it will pass down to the next generation, and the teachers will continue spoonfeeding the students unless some kid decides to make white trash napalm for a science project, then point out that the phenyl chain present in palmitic acids decrease the burning rate of the gasoline when dissolved in the latter. The teachers' idea of self-preservation in their career is detrimental to the student in his/her later life.
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Old 2010-02-16, 13:12   Link #3479
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I don't suppose you have the original raw image?
No, unfortunately not :/ Well anyways, thanks you guys, now I'm not completely clueless
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Which is just as well. I'd rather not be guilty of linking to a licensed Region 1 product. (Disney owns the home-video release and distribution rights in North America, but has not released the movie to date.)

The gist of the scene is simple: Taeko couldn't understand how division by fractions seemed to produce larger numbers (because the algorithm stipulates that you reverse the divider and multiply the upper and lower rows of numbers to get the answer), when dividing an integer (she used a single apple as an example) turns it into smaller numbers (fractions of a whole).

Taeko, being gifted in other areas, particularly in creative arts, was thinking in concrete terms. She couldn't grasp abstract concepts as easily as her sister, Yaeko. If you ask me, teachers fail their students when they aren't able to put themselves in their students' shoes, to see the world as they do.
teachers fail and succeed and that is what they do but in the end of the day we thank them for everything they give us through the years .

so now it's illegal to put links to youtube or what? I mean you should be able to show us a link to English subbed version of this clip without getting reported

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