General Questions Thread

[RRW]

Originally Posted by pancakes

I understand this princible, but that doesn't apply to all anime. Yes, there are some where they have GOOFY hair, like pink or green or purple. But, a lot of anime sway toward reality. In making characters that actually resemble real races and people. Mukokuseki says that animes use a mix of everything and the unrealistic. While most animes, depict white characters, with REAL hair colors (like blonde,brown,red,black sometimes), with just un-asian features. WHO LIVE IN ASIA!! So if your gonna depict the real thing, why not?

wait what?

anyway about character design. it all depend what manga/anime maker one really.

if they want to make it cute.white round face with big eye is a choice

if the want it to be realistic. they can go to that why as well. (marvel anime, monster)

[pancakes]

(sighs) Forget it.

(question still left unanswered)

[Irenicus]

Originally Posted by pancakes

(sighs) Forget it.

Uh, what. Their features aren't Caucasian if by Caucasian you mean to imply Japanese anime character designers are a bunch of self-hating Europhiles. It's really just the art style, and that's that.

If you must trace the art style's history I suppose one could "blame" it on Osamu Tezuka. Tezuka was very heavily influenced by Western, usually American, comics of his era, including Walt Disney's works. His early works were drawn in styles which were extremely reminiscent of the early Western newspaper comics. They were also more "cartoon-y" than what we are used to today.

His style evolved, though, and so did the rest of the industry. That evolution eventually leads up to the current dominant style(s). I don't think they really consider what they're doing to be "whitening"; it's just Western misinterpretation. You can't separate the "unrealistic" features and the "white skin" and then single out the "white skin" part because they're all part of the package of what we see as the "anime style" drawings.

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by pancakes

(sighs) Forget it.

(question still left unanswered)

Both Irenicus and RRW answered the question and, of course, 5 minutes with google would also answer it ---. I suppose I could pull out a dozen "western" cartoons with bizarre interpretations of human beings -- the answer is simply that the art methods employed help to distinguish characters. The rest is variation on art style (like how the comic Zits varies from the comic Dilbert).

There are anime made (semi-realistic) with "black hair, tan/light skin" features (usually seinen or shoujo)... and it can be difficult to tell characters apart at times. Three or four characters with tall slender figures and long black hair in a drawn medium and the confusion is easy "even for Japanese".

[pancakes]

Originally Posted by Irenicus

Uh, what. Their features aren't Caucasian if by Caucasian you mean to imply Japanese anime character designers are a bunch of self-hating Europhiles. It's really just the art style, and that's that.

If you must trace the art style's history I suppose one could "blame" it on Osamu Tezuka. Tezuka was very heavily influenced by Western, usually American, comics of his era, including Walt Disney's works. His early works were drawn in styles which were extremely reminiscent of the early Western newspaper comics. They were also more "cartoon-y" than what we are used to today.

His style evolved, though, and so did the rest of the industry. That evolution eventually leads up to the current dominant style(s). I don't think they really consider what they're doing to be "whitening"; it's just Western misinterpretation. You can't separate the "unrealistic" features and the "white skin" and then single out the "white skin" part because they're all part of the package of what we see as the "anime style" drawings.

You know, forget it usually means forget it, but if you want to continue the conversation we could.

If what you're saying is true, then that would make a lot of sense. So it's just a style that was adapted a long time ago, and was carried on today. And has become the dominant style.

Also for the record, I can separate or single out anything I want to. I'm the audience. As the audience I'm entitled to opinions and thoughts. I'm sorry I'm not a blind tool that kisses Japan's/anime's butt. If I see something I don't like or doesn't make sense I'll say something.

<-United States
Freedom of Speech
(Lastly I was not implying what you said, do not put words in my mouth.)

Originally Posted by Vexx

Both Irenicus and RRW answered the question and, of course, 5 minutes with google would also answer it ---. I suppose I could pull out a dozen "western" cartoons with bizarre interpretations of human beings -- the answer is simply that the art methods employed help to distinguish characters. The rest is variation on art style (like how the comic Zits varies from the comic Dilbert).

There are anime made (semi-realistic) with "black hair, tan/light skin" features (usually seinen or shoujo)... and it can be difficult to tell characters apart at times. Three or four characters with tall slender figures and long black hair in a drawn medium and the confusion is easy "even for Japanese".

5 minutes with google could get you a lot. And that's basic knowledge. You do not have to point that out to me, and in doing so that's extremely rude. Also RRW didn't answer my question. Only the questioner can truly tell you if their question was answered. So don't sit their and try to tell my what's right and wrong or what's the answer and whats not. This isn't a debate,you're not my mother.

[teachopvutru]

^For the record, your original question is:
"How come most anime/manga/novel characters are depicted to have European features, even though their Asian?"
And the answer to it was: it's just the art style (Mukokuseki)

Then you rejected it as the answer to your question and went on to say "[but there are] a lot of anime [that] sway toward reality," meanwhile failing to provide some examples to let others see what you mean.
RRW answered again that it's the choice of "character design" by the "anime/manga maker." That is very related to the individual artist's art style.

Then you said "Forget it," ending the post with "(question still left unanswered)." Irenicus came and repeat it's the "art style."
Now you said, "that [makes] a lot of sense."

TL;DR: The same answer was presented three times. You rejected it twice, believing your question was not answered, and then accepted it the third time.
Can you still say that "Only the questioner can truly tell you if their question was answered"?

[Jinto]

One could differentiate between a "thats an artstyle thing" and a psychology based answer to that question though.

For all what I know the characters, most of the time have to appear rather cute/childlike/innocent (to a certain degree), this is typically done by applying an artstyle that reflects the scheme of childlike characteristics (big head/eyes in comparison to the body... often rather thin arms, legs... and so on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuteness).
Knowing that, one can could go a step further and try to see a relation to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_k%C5%8Dsai, but does not necessarily have to...

[Daniel E.]

Ok, pancake's question has already been fully answered. Let's move on to something else before things degrade into an argument.

[pancakes]

Originally Posted by teachopvutru

^For the record, your original question is:
"How come most anime/manga/novel characters are depicted to have European features, even though their Asian?"
And the answer to it was: it's just the art style (Mukokuseki)

Then you rejected it as the answer to your question and went on to say "[but there are] a lot of anime [that] sway toward reality," meanwhile failing to provide some examples to let others see what you mean.
RRW answered again that it's the choice of "character design" by the "anime/manga maker." That is very related to the individual artist's art style.

Then you said "Forget it," ending the post with "(question still left unanswered)." Irenicus came and repeat it's the "art style."
Now you said, "that [makes] a lot of sense."

TL;DR: The same answer was presented three times. You rejected it twice, believing your question was not answered, and then accepted it the third time.
Can you still say that "Only the questioner can truly tell you if their question was answered"?

I wanted to know WHY. I stated that Irenicus's explanation was best, so I concluded it as my answer. Why was his the best? Because he explained and answered in a clear way. And the three replies I got are not the same, if you think otherwise that's your opinion,yet not a fact. Also please stop with the quotes. I can read. I know what I said. You do not have to repeat everything twice, and there's no need to be so aggressive. It's anime.

But alas, my question is answered. I need no further expertise. Thank you.

[-KarumA-]

Originally Posted by pancakes

I understand this princible, but that doesn't apply to all anime. Yes, there are some where they have GOOFY hair, like pink or green or purple. But, a lot of anime sway toward reality. In making characters that actually resemble real races and people. Mukokuseki says that animes use a mix of everything and the unrealistic. While most animes, depict white characters, with REAL hair colors (like blonde,brown,red,black sometimes), with just un-asian features. WHO LIVE IN ASIA!! So if your gonna depict the real thing, why not?

Anime started out as animation copied in style from the old American golden age cartoons. They kept the overly heighted eyes as part of emotion, which is their purpose to be able to show more emotion in their characters.
It never changed because anime and manga style are given down from master to student, so everyone learns the same basics as their master used in his/her own work and maybe later made this a personal style but usually it looks the same and hence why it never really changed to realistic for some people.
The bright colours for hair and such is just a character design with narative meaning, I mean some hair colours fit certain personalities or make it easy as a viewer to predict who is going to full fill what role in a series.

[pancakes]

Originally Posted by -KarumA-

Anime started out as animation copied in style from the old American golden age cartoons. They kept the overly heighted eyes as part of emotion, which is their purpose to be able to show more emotion in their characters.
It never changed because anime and manga style are given down from master to student, so everyone learns the same basics as their master used in his/her own work and maybe later made this a personal style but usually it looks the same and hence why it never really changed to realistic for some people.
The bright colours for hair and such is just a character design with narative meaning, I mean some hair colours fit certain personalities or make it easy as a viewer to predict who is going to full fill what role in a series.

Well my question was answered, but I appreciate the response . And I must say someone already said this, but you BY FAR did the best in explaining it. Thank you very much for your time. I greatly appreciate it.

[Kakashi]

Any dog owners out there have any suggestions on the best way to feed your dog?

[Lord of Fire]

Originally Posted by Kakashi

Any dog owners out there have any suggestions on the best way to feed your dog?

It won't eat out of a bowl or something like that?

[Kakashi]

Originally Posted by Lord of Fire

It won't eat out of a bowl or something like that?

Mine refuses to eat any kind of commerical dog food (unless he's fed nothing then he kind of resigns to a few bites), so I'm thinking what kinds of meat and vegetables would be good for him.

[pancakes]

I feed mine mostly meat. Usually chicken or beef. He loves it and it's cheap. Also sometimes scrambled eggs, since their high in protein. As for vegetables, I'm not sure. I really don't think dogs NEED vegetables. My dog never had any his entire life, and he's fine.

Besides, dog food is nasty and overpriced. Your better off with regular food.

[-KarumA-]

It depends ont he age of the dog, puppies are somewhat known to refuse to eat.
To get them to eat, this is what we did with our dog that is, just add some left over graphy from cooking to the bowl, like less than 1 tea spoon. Ours started eating her food right away ever since and when she did start eating it we gradually stopped (within the week or so) and she never really noticed.
You can try feeding them the food as a snack during walks or training, but allas this has a low success rate and only works if the dog is young.
Lastly some dogs do not eat all their food in one go, I know some who don't (unbelievable or not) so you can try leaving it in the bowl for the rest of the day, as long as she eats it eventually it is good.

Chicken is good, but remember those kinds fo food will make your dog overweight in no time. Do not add in any bones, because dogs cannot digest nor chew them properly like wolves can. I wouldn't start giving pets normal food, they are dogs for a reason not humans. It will only provoke begging behaviour so when you eat some chicken the dog will start drooling next to you because he usually eats it too.

Raw eggs are only good once every year or so and are only good for their fur (makes it more shiney). Dogs don't need vegetables, though mine likes fruit every once in a while but not as a daily meal because they get sick from it.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Kakashi

Mine refuses to eat any kind of commerical dog food (unless he's fed nothing then he kind of resigns to a few bites), so I'm thinking what kinds of meat and vegetables would be good for him.

From what little I know of dog handling, you might want to try experimenting with different brands of dog food - some dogs can be fussy with what they eat. If they like natural unprocessed food, you might want to get some lean meat from the butcher (300g should be enough).

I have heard that eggs can cause diarrhoea, so I wouldn't exactly recommend them.

Disclaimer - the dogs I handled before are guard dogs. The only experience I have with a dog not eating was that it is depressed that its previous handler finished his term of service, and it subsequently tried to eat a sergeant after days of anorexia.

[ChainLegacy]

Originally Posted by Kakashi

Mine refuses to eat any kind of commerical dog food (unless he's fed nothing then he kind of resigns to a few bites), so I'm thinking what kinds of meat and vegetables would be good for him.

Meat, some fatty and some lean. I've never fed my dogs vegetables as I believe they naturally supplement their diet with native grasses from my backyard.

[jedinat]

Why do I fairly often see in manga a character (usually middle/high school) going to a "family restaurant" for the first time? I'm guessing these restaurants are perceived differently than the ones in the US. Or maybe we don't have the same kind of restaurants. In anime/manga they all look very similar too; sort of diner-ish.

[bhl88]

Is the iPhone 5 the same size as the iPhone 4? (I plan to use the iPhone 4 cover on the iPhone 5....)