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Old 2007-06-26, 10:06   Link #461
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thats weird.....

i use IE7 and use the same way to translate the site too, but there is no prob with it....

i guess there is only one other way then...

just google 2chan.net, and translate it...

like this..

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Old 2007-06-26, 10:40   Link #462
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Old 2007-06-26, 14:31   Link #463
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Time for a seriously silly question.

I am working on a simple wallpaper at the moment, and I am planning on adding a bit of text in one side. The wallie merely consist of a smiling girl on the right side and a line of text on the left.

And this of course bring us to my question:

Wich of the two is the correct one?

Would you die for me? or Will you die for me?

English is not my first language and I suddenly started to wonder about this today. Me thinks both could actually work, but I better ask now instead of worrying about it later. >_< !
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Old 2007-06-26, 16:01   Link #464
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Well - English isn't my first language either, but i would say "Would You die for me" in this case. It seems to be more ... general than "Will you die for me". As in -> should a situation arise, would you be willing to die for me? As in ... asking to make sure, without anything specific in mind.

While "Will you die for me" would be something one would use when talking about a definite thing -> the situation has already arisen, and action has to be taken. Talking about a specific event, unlike "Would you die", which is like talking about a "what if" scenario.

Don't know how much sense that made

... Kaibutsu Oujo wallpaper ?
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Old 2007-06-26, 16:22   Link #465
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Much as Skyfall says, the two statements are not identical. Despite being someone whose first language is not English he pretty much hit this nail squarely on its head.

"Would you die for me" is speculative about the future. "Will you die for me" is imminently about the present.

You need to decide between these based on context. If this is for a Kaibustu Oujo wallpaper I'd prefer, "Will you die for me." Since in Kaibutsu Oujo it is always happening, nothing speculative about that.
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Old 2007-06-26, 16:22   Link #466
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Wich of the two is the correct one?

Would you die for me? or Will you die for me?
I agree with the answer Skyfall gave you.

If you use "will you die for me?", it implies that a given situation is already created and death is an obligatory bond of that situation, no matter what.
The sentence sounds more like a "are you ready to die for me?" (as in something that is going to happen soon) than anything else. I don't think that the idea behind your wallpaper would be that.

On the other hand, "would you die for me?" has all another flavor, since it talks about something which maybe will occur but also maybe not. So death is not the obligatory bond here as it was before.

It's night on the beach. Two newlyweds promise each other eternal love during their honeymoon. In a very romantic mood, the bride says to the groom: "For the sake of our deep love, would you die for me?". It relates to something uncertain, and has a completely different taste than the other sentence.

If the bride said "will you die for me?", the groom would just run away scared. (sort of hyperbole here but if I got what you want to put into that wallpaper, I think that the "would" option is the right one for you )
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Old 2007-06-26, 16:47   Link #467
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Wow talking about English grammar here

Pretty much everything is said already by the three ppl b4 me =]

I'm just adding on since it just happens to be in my grammar notebook

"Will" is the indicator of the future tense, so it means a DEFINITE even that will happen in a particular time in the future, as Pellie mentioned

Ex: I will go to the mall tomorrow. (definite event)

"Would" is the indicator of the conditional tense, so it just means a event that is LIKELY to happen

Ex:If it had not rained, I would have gone to the mall. (likely) <-- This one is in the past, so I don't really know if it fits the situation here

So in the context of your phrase, "would" is the better choice

P.S. I am not a native English speaker either, but I hope that makes sense
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Old 2007-06-26, 17:08   Link #468
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Upper class

in the US, how much do you have to earn to be considered upper class?
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Old 2007-06-26, 17:45   Link #469
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There is no defined lower limit for people to be considered in upper class. However, according to the Census Bureau in 2005, the cutoff for the top 5% of the US population is US$166,000 in total family income. Only 1.5% of the US population have over US$250,000 in income.

ttp://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032006/hhinc/new05_000.htm
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Old 2007-06-26, 17:52   Link #470
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Ooops, I think more details would have been helpful. >_< !

I am making a wallpaper of Ryoko from Haruhi Suzumiya, and the line of text "somehow" tries to refer to the scene where...

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On the other hand, "would you die for me?" has all another flavor, since it talks about something which maybe will occur but also maybe not. So death is not the obligatory bond here as it was before.
Then I'll stick to "Would" in this case.

Thanks for the replies guys.
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Old 2007-06-26, 18:01   Link #471
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Depends on which state you live in. In Texas, if you make, as a husband & wife, around an aggregate of 130-150k per annum, you'd probably be considered "upper class."
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Old 2007-06-27, 04:17   Link #472
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Ooops, I think more details would have been helpful. >_< !

I am making a wallpaper of Ryoko from Haruhi Suzumiya, and the line of text "somehow" tries to refer to the scene where...

Spoiler for dont read if you haven't watched Haruhi Suzumiya:


Then I'll stick to "Would" in this case.

Thanks for the replies guys.
In the case of Asakura, I would have thought a more absolute tone would be more appropriate. As such, against the others I'd recommend 'will you die for me' as it passes off more affirmative.

Actually, the words 'die for me' would be genuinely the most explicit and suitable for this case ^^". But I guess that is a little too simplistic.

I doubt Asakura was issuing a request at that point in time and was more of stating a matter of fact so now it just depends on how you perceive her personality, then.

Alternatively you could try playing around with rhetorics and figure a way to bypass the word 'die' to make it seem more abstract. I tend to be obsessed with doing that >_> Darn me. Bad habit.
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Old 2007-06-27, 04:22   Link #473
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Or, another alternative...

http://babelfish.altavista.com/
gues ill have to stick with Babelfish since mt google doesnt have the translate buttons, i dont really like Babelfish though, sometimes its okay but when it comes to names its very annoying
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Old 2007-06-27, 07:52   Link #474
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If by "mt google" you mean the Google language tools page for Malta (http://www.google.com.mt/language_tools?hl=mt), then you're right there's no translate option there. Since your English is pretty good, try the English page at http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en. I've used the Japanese->English translations for pages like those cited in the "anime ratings in Japan" thread with some success. There are a few other target languages besides English on this page as well, though with fewer options for the source language in these cases. For Japanese translations, the only target language is currently English.
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Old 2007-06-27, 09:53   Link #475
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Old 2007-06-27, 11:57   Link #476
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Or, another alternative...

http://babelfish.altavista.com/
I use that for my translation needs. Overall, it seems pretty accurate.

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Old 2007-06-27, 12:52   Link #477
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Old 2007-07-01, 00:51   Link #478
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Can we have some more concrete examples on what's pointless and what's not? Are we talking in terms of relevance, use, or senselessness? I reread the thread and it seems kind of arbitrary.
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Old 2007-07-01, 00:59   Link #479
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It is rather arbitrary I suppose. Essentially it needs to be something that actually matters to you, not just a question cooked up in order to amuse people.
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Old 2007-07-01, 01:11   Link #480
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There's 1st time to everything ^^

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