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Old 2008-06-06, 13:20   Link #1621
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(Besides, there's the point that there are actions that, unless the society's paradigms change a lot, can't ever be made transitive, no matter how much you want it to be. The verb "to be", to give a basic example).
Indeed, the determination of transitive or intransitive is made by the word's meaning. I suppose a better way of putting it is "Is there any language in which the form of the verb consistently reflects whether or not it is transitive or intransitive?"

As an example, the Esperanto word "boli", means "to boil"--intransitive. The transitive form has a suffix: "boligi", "to make boil". If all transitive verbs had such a suffix, it would always be clear by the verb's form whether it is transitive or intransitive, but that is not the case. Instead, that must be discovered directly from the definition.
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Old 2008-06-06, 15:10   Link #1622
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Indeed, the determination of transitive or intransitive is made by the word's meaning. I suppose a better way of putting it is "Is there any language in which the form of the verb consistently reflects whether or not it is transitive or intransitive?"

As an example, the Esperanto word "boli", means "to boil"--intransitive. The transitive form has a suffix: "boligi", "to make boil". If all transitive verbs had such a suffix, it would always be clear by the verb's form whether it is transitive or intransitive, but that is not the case. Instead, that must be discovered directly from the definition.
I've asked my personal linguistic advisor ( ) who answered Tok Pisin, an English creole spoken in Papua New Guinea. In fact, this is typical for creole languages he said. It seems that there are exceptions though:

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The verb has one suffix, -im (from "him") to indicate transitivity (luk, look; lukim, see). But some verbs, such as kaikai "eat", can be transitive without it.
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Old 2008-06-06, 19:45   Link #1623
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I think Bislama (also a creole from English spoken in Vanuatu) is near your request. Nouns and intransitive verbs take same forms; you can make transitive verbs by adding suffix en/im/um to them. There are naturally some exceptions and therefore it cannot be said consistent.

I don't fully understand the idea that the definition of verb decides its transitivity. For example,

- to arrive at the station
- to reach the station

In both cases, the conceptual "movement" the verb signifies looks equal. Rather it is a matter of syntactical custom, isn't it?
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Old 2008-06-07, 07:29   Link #1624
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I think Bislama (also a creole from English spoken in Vanuatu) is near your request. Nouns and intransitive verbs take same forms; you can make transitive verbs by adding suffix en/im/um to them. There are naturally some exceptions and therefore it cannot be said consistent.

I don't fully understand the idea that the definition of verb decides its transitivity. For example,

- to arrive at the station
- to reach the station

In both cases, the conceptual "movement" the verb signifies looks equal. Rather it is a matter of syntactical custom, isn't it?
Yes. As your example shows you can have the same semantics with two different verbs, one transitive and one intransitive. If a verb is the former or the latter, or possibly both is first of all a question of grammar, not semantics. The question is: Can you decide if a verb is transitive or intransitive by looking at the verb(form) or do you have to look it up in a table?
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Old 2008-06-09, 23:02   Link #1625
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Am I still a welcome presence here despite the fact that my mind and soul has been corrupted by 4chan?
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Old 2008-06-09, 23:06   Link #1626
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Am I still a welcome presence here despite the fact that my mind and soul has been corrupted by 4chan?
First, please state how you're "corrupted".
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Old 2008-06-09, 23:13   Link #1627
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First, please state how you're "corrupted".
Its hard to explain.
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Old 2008-06-10, 01:14   Link #1628
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Unless you feel like posting lolcats all over the place, I suppose everything should be all right.

Be careful, though, randomness is not taken lightly by moderators.
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Old 2008-06-10, 09:17   Link #1629
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Am I still a welcome presence here despite the fact that my mind and soul has been corrupted by 4chan?
i am too but i'm slighty normal still
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Old 2008-06-10, 14:46   Link #1630
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i am too but i'm slighty normal still
Yes. I can tell from the letters and having met quite a few slightly normal people in my time.
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Old 2008-06-10, 16:25   Link #1631
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Am I still a welcome presence here despite the fact that my mind and soul has been corrupted by 4chan?
We had a guy from 4chan on this board before, and I believe that he was banned. I'm not sure what he was banned for, exactly, but I know that he created a thread where he basically told us how he'd been an ass to someone and then asked if he had done something wrong. The topic was deleted for being pretty ridiculous.

I believe things like that are posted to 4chan relatively often, and the responses are supposed to make fun of it. Just note that this message forum doesn't tolerate that sort of stuff. It's the most strict message forum I've seen, in that regard.

You drew upon a meme in your response to klowny. The memes are fine, but don't overuse them. Conversations here aren't meant to be comical, nor are they meant to be a series of memes building upon each other or images posted one after another.

There are people here who have not heard of 4chan, and there are plenty of others who think that 4channers are immature and an annoyance on the net. Spending a lot of time at 4chan does not make you special here. Be respectful to other forum-goers and try to contribute thoughtful posts, and you won't have any problems.
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Old 2008-06-10, 18:15   Link #1632
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That's kind of what I assumed, I just wanted to double check though.
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Old 2008-06-10, 18:18   Link #1633
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Old 2008-06-14, 03:47   Link #1634
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It's from some futuristic vampire anime <forgot it's name>. The person in the picture is a hitman for the Vatican. (and a very powerful vampire)

This sort of question should be placed in: Anime/Manga/Game Identification Help [See first post]
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Old 2008-06-14, 19:43   Link #1635
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It's from some futuristic vampire anime <forgot it's name>.
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Old 2008-06-15, 20:42   Link #1636
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How come HTML tags are written differently in forums than they are for websites?

for example.

Sample Text

uses the following tags
[ color=red][ B] [ I] Sample Text [/b] [/i][/color]


Opposed to using

<color=red><b><I>
Sample Text </b></I></color>

never really understood this.
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Old 2008-06-15, 21:01   Link #1637
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Well, forums like this are based on vBulletin software, and as such they use the vBulletin tags, not the HTML tags. I don't know the technical specifications regarding the rendering done by the browser, though.
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Old 2008-06-15, 21:10   Link #1638
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How come HTML tags are written differently in forums than they are for websites?

for example.

Sample Text

uses the following tags
[ color=red][ B] [ I] Sample Text [/b] [/i][/color]


Opposed to using

<color=red><b><I>
Sample Text </b></I></color>

never really understood this.
If you allow users to write HTML tags directly with lt/gt marks (<>) in a public board, it will cause a danger in security; Cross-Site Scripting (XSS), for example. That is why the popular user-generated contents management systems such as Wiki and vBulletin urge authors to employ the indirect aliases.

By the way, your second sample should be:
<font color="red"><b><i>sample text</i></b></font>
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Old 2008-06-15, 21:25   Link #1639
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thanks a lot for replies, makes perfect sense now.
I never even thought about the possible risks involved or how Vbulletin and the other systems worked.

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By the way, your second sample should be:
<font color="red"><b><i>sample text</i></b></font>

Oups
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Old 2008-06-15, 21:26   Link #1640
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A question to those whose first language is Chinese:

How do you cope with unknown Chinese scripts?
I mean, Japanese children learn kana(s) first, then gradually start kanji. Basically they can write down any sentences without using kanji, so they have no problem in writing even when they miss some of the important kanji letters. How does a Chinese child write, for example, 中华人民共和国 when he/she does not know the character 华?
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