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Old 2012-07-11, 10:21   Link #3761
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What exactly is your question?

Btw, Kira can't controle the DRAGOON system in Seed. He is not a newtype at that point.
Not a newtype in either he can use Strike Freedoms cause the DRAGOONS run on a simplified system which would allow normal grunts to use them, similar to Legend. How effective Kira might be without the system well we will never know.
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Old 2012-07-11, 16:26   Link #3762
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Not a newtype in either he can use Strike Freedoms cause the DRAGOONS run on a simplified system which would allow normal grunts to use them, similar to Legend. How effective Kira might be without the system well we will never know.
I think people think Kira is newtype not because of DRAGONs but because of newtype flash he have, Also I don't think every grunt pilot can use xyz DRAGONs system.
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Old 2012-07-11, 20:12   Link #3763
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Not a newtype in either he can use Strike Freedoms cause the DRAGOONS run on a simplified system which would allow normal grunts to use them, similar to Legend. How effective Kira might be without the system well we will never know.
Isn't it kind of obvious that he is a newtype in Destiny?

It's true that Legend and SF have a built in quantum network of some sort that enables non-newtype pilots to use the DRAGOON system but I'm pretty sure neither of them actually need this.
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Old 2012-07-11, 20:17   Link #3764
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So I have a question for you guys concerninig the end of Seed. Who would you have rather had lived, Flay or Mu?

Personally I'd have prefered Flay live. Mostly because Mu's return in Destiny ruined an epic death scene. Besides, Flays survival would have humanized Kira dureing Destiny imo. He likely wouldn't have become Jesus Yamato that so many dispise. Mostly because I see her playing the role of commander contrarian. She'd make Kira explain himself more instead of simply going "just trust me on this".

So what might your thoughys be?
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Old 2012-07-11, 20:17   Link #3765
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Honestly I feel the whole quantum computer/newtype flash bit was just a mess that Fukuda tried to back out on. Used the whole quantum computer bit as a cover to say Kira wasn't a newtype. Same deal with the "Ultimate Coordinator isn't really ultimate" remark.

@Heavy Arms: Pretty much agreed. I can't remark on how Flay would've changed things in Destiny, but I'd prefer her survival to Mu's.
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Old 2012-07-11, 20:34   Link #3766
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Besides, Flays survival would have humanized Kira dureing Destiny imo.
There's nothing to humanize, Kira's the way he is in Destiny because of his total experience in SEED. Keeping Flay alive would only lessen his grief, but it would still be there.
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He likely wouldn't have become Jesus Yamato that so many dispise.
Kira's been doing the same thing since he got the Freedom in SEED. Name calling Kira doesn't change anything.
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Mostly because I see her playing the role of commander contrarian. She'd make Kira explain himself more instead of simply going "just trust me on this".
First, we don't know what will happen if Flay was still alive. At the very least, Kira already broke up with her, so they're less likely to still be together. Besides, Kira's motivation is very clearly laid out. There's nothing more to explain even if you don't agree with his reasoning.
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My vote is for Flay to live, definitely.
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Honestly I feel the whole quantum computer/newtype flash bit was just a mess that Fukuda tried to back out on. Used the whole quantum computer bit as a cover to say Kira wasn't a newtype. Same deal with the "Ultimate Coordinator isn't really ultimate" remark.
The problem with that feeling is that there's nothing to back out of.

Newtype (and even SEED itself) is not a well known concept in CE. Developing the quantum computer is just a logical way to make the DRAGOON a more accessible technology to ZAFT pilots. Remember that Athrun was offered to be Legend's pilot.

Ultimate Coordinator also doesn't mean much if the parents don't know what they really want. It reminds me of the saying that a computer will do what you tell it to do, not necessarily what you want it to do.
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Old 2012-07-11, 20:38   Link #3767
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@Heavy Arms
I agree with you and Rising Dragon.

Neo Roanoke is a poor excuse of a character and ruined Mu's glorious death. If they want a love interest for Murrue, she'd better end up with Andrew than Mu-wannabe .

And a living Fllay in Destiny will be interesting indeed.
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Old 2012-07-11, 21:09   Link #3768
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If I have to choose between Flay or Mu, then Flay. But of course I would rather have both of them stay dead...

Till this day, i'm still pretending as if Mu doesn't exist in Destiny.
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Old 2012-07-11, 21:33   Link #3769
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If they want a love interest for Murrue, she'd better end up with Andrew than Mu-wannabe .
Hmm.. I thinks Mu's the best person for Murrue... its like MnMs or M2M

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And a living Fllay in Destiny will be interesting indeed.
Agree. If Flay survived and lived in Destiny... I preferred her to end up with Kira and Lacus to Arthrun... Cagalli might end up single with BroCom for Kira....
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Old 2012-07-11, 22:18   Link #3770
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Honestly I feel the whole quantum computer/newtype flash bit was just a mess that Fukuda tried to back out on. Used the whole quantum computer bit as a cover to say Kira wasn't a newtype. Same deal with the "Ultimate Coordinator isn't really ultimate" remark.

@Heavy Arms: Pretty much agreed. I can't remark on how Flay would've changed things in Destiny, but I'd prefer her survival to Mu's.
Didn't Fukuda claim that Kira's Newtype flash was an homage to MSG?

Also, in the SD Gundam Generation games (obviously non-canon), one of Kira's skills include "spatial awareness".
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Old 2012-07-11, 22:46   Link #3771
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@monster No need to be snippy.

I like Kira as a character. I even understand why he did what he did. Though perhaps I shouldn't have said "humanized" or "Jesus Yamato". It's just that he was a bit of a shell shocked vetren. And I think Flay could have helped him from being so distant I suppose.

And while we don't know what Flay would have done after Seed. I'd like to think she would have stayed with the Archangel in some capacity. Heck she could've been a bridge bunny along side Mirriallia.
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Old 2012-07-11, 23:16   Link #3772
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@monster No need to be snippy.
Don't take offense. You asked what people think, so I'm just giving you my thoughts on the matter.
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And while we don't know what Flay would have done after Seed. I'd like to think she would have stayed with the Archangel in some capacity. Heck she could've been a bridge bunny along side Mirriallia.
You forgot that all of Kira's friends went on with their lives. The only reason Miriallia happened to be back was because she went out of her way to contact the Archangel after her chance meeting with Athrun.

Flay would have less reason to stay at Orb or have contact with the Archangel considering she wasn't a bridge crew nor is she an Orb citizen.

I also think that, given the realization of what she put Kira through, Flay would've backed off if she even sensed that Lacus was getting close to Kira.
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I also think that, given the realization of what she put Kira through, Flay would've backed off if she even sensed that Lacus was getting close to Kira.
It depends on Kira who will he choose.
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Old 2012-07-11, 23:30   Link #3774
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It depends on Kira who will he choose.
Of course, but it is unlikely that he will choose Flay again after what they've been through together. At best, they would be friends.

In fact, it is more likely that Kira is not in any hurry to be in another relationship at all.
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Old 2012-07-11, 23:43   Link #3775
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In fact, it is more likely that Kira is not in any hurry to be in another relationship at all.
Now that's what I call "thinking out-of-the-ship".
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Old 2012-07-12, 09:35   Link #3776
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@monster Sorry you just seemed upset by my post.

As for Flay staying with the Archangel. Unlike Miri, Kuzzy, or Sai, Flay had nothing else in her life than Kira/Archangel. Her father was dead, Sai likely wouldn't have taken her back after the crap she put him through. So where else would she go other than staying in Orb/with the Archangel?
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Old 2012-07-12, 09:37   Link #3777
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@monster Sorry you just seemed upset by my post.

As for Flay staying with the Archangel. Unlike Miri, Kuzzy, or Sai, Flay had nothing else in her life than Kira/Archangel. Her father was dead, Sai likely wouldn't have taken her back after the crap she put him through. So where else would she go other than staying in Orb/with the Archangel?
Junk guild? lol
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Old 2012-07-12, 10:41   Link #3779
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As for Flay staying with the Archangel. Unlike Miri, Kuzzy, or Sai, Flay had nothing else in her life than Kira/Archangel. Her father was dead, Sai likely wouldn't have taken her back after the crap she put him through. So where else would she go other than staying in Orb/with the Archangel?
It's the other way around. Unlike all the other kids, Flay no longer has any connection to Orb and the Archangel. The only thing left would be her sense of guilt over Kira. Once she can say to Kira what she needs to say, Flay would be better off starting fresh in her own country.
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the Atlantic Federation? You'd better be kidding, because that place has been cursed to doom
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