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Old 2013-05-02, 15:53   Link #6901
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The Feds suffer the most blame since they were warmongering monsters but saying Shinn isn't right to blame ORB too is wrong.
There's a difference between blaming Orb, and hating Orb to the point of supporting it being nuked from space, blaming the sole remaining person who was alive after the incident even though she was no way in any position to do anything about it back then, and turning into a snarling mass of hate whenever Orb is brought up or said person opens her mouth.

There's blame and then there's uncontrolled self rightious hatred. The idea that Cagalli herself lost family and friends doesn't seem to even occur to him, but again Shinn is wired differently than the other characters and his empathy is selective to people he likes or who remind him of himself.
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Old 2013-05-02, 15:59   Link #6902
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Never got how orb had so many people in it http://www.freewebs.com/theorbunion/vlcsnap-2579889.png its like super small. now how did orb fit all those people in that little island? Now if remember correctly orb was It is based on New Zealand, Australia, and Papua New Guinea. but in this fight of Orb Vs EA it was just in Onogoro
From what we've seen the main city proper was packed and I'm sure ORB didn't have a fully worked out Evacuation plan for their entire country. Who would? They had to work out a plan, or modify one to include all of Orb, when it started to become clear that peace was not an option anymore.

It doesn't make them incompetent or anything since planning for evacuating an entire country is a huge thing. Even smaller ones have more trouble and than it comes to logistics, means to escape, and the such on top of the fact that the Feds were breathing down their necks and attacked multiple times.

Which means there's a chaos factor as well as everyone grabs what they can and tries to rush out of the Country by any means necessary.

Those that worked with MS and stuff also would have to stay back longer to pack up what can be taken and destroying anything that had to be left behind.
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Old 2013-05-02, 16:51   Link #6903
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From what we've seen the main city proper was packed and I'm sure ORB didn't have a fully worked out Evacuation plan for their entire country. Who would? They had to work out a plan, or modify one to include all of Orb, when it started to become clear that peace was not an option anymore.

It doesn't make them incompetent or anything since planning for evacuating an entire country is a huge thing. Even smaller ones have more trouble and than it comes to logistics, means to escape, and the such on top of the fact that the Feds were breathing down their necks and attacked multiple times.
wouldn't an Island city have Evacuation plan already in effect in case of Natural disasters. I'm mean are they really that dumb to not have one? big tsunami coming they just go "well shoot, should have thought ahead" I'd bet Enemy invasion would be under in an evacuation plan, after all they are a neutral nation that live in the middle of the ocean, not a lot of running room. i pretty sure they would have had a plan just in case of this happening. just like you said with Feds breathing down their necks, i would assume that in the back of their minds they might be invaded
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Old 2013-05-02, 17:59   Link #6904
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Natural Disaster isn't the same as being attacked with giant mobile suits. >_>

This was unprecedented for them so I'm sure that they had to greatly modify their evacuation plans. They can't come back to gather anyone left behind like with Natural Disasters since ORB was going to be taken out and the Feds are only there for one reason - the citizens can rot for all they care.
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Old 2013-05-02, 18:15   Link #6905
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Natural Disaster isn't the same as being attacked with giant mobile suits. >_>

This was unprecedented for them so I'm sure that they had to greatly modify their evacuation plans. They can't come back to gather anyone left behind like with Natural Disasters since ORB was going to be taken out and the Feds are only there for one reason - the citizens can rot for all they care.

how is it different? look at the CE colonies they had many evacuation plans, with escape capsules, ships, pathways. they too were being blown to pieces in Heliopolis and many people got out, and they were nowhere near ready to evacuate but they still got out how would orb be different. With Space there aren't many places to run if something goes wrong just like living that far in the ocean
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Old 2013-05-02, 18:30   Link #6906
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Let me put it this way, evacuations of a city caught in a war zone is a very, very ugly business.
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Old 2013-05-02, 18:45   Link #6907
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true its ugly business, but some of these comments make it sound like Orb didn't even have a medical kit laying around the whole island.
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Old 2013-05-02, 18:49   Link #6908
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Never had that happen personally but I have seen the chaos of that stuff on those documentary stuff. I also heard pretty sad tales about South Korea when the North Koreans pushed through.

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how is it different? look at the CE colonies they had many evacuation plans, with escape capsules, ships, pathways. they too were being blown to pieces in Heliopolis and many people got out, and they were nowhere near ready to evacuate but they still got out how would orb be different. With Space there aren't many places to run if something goes wrong just like living that far in the ocean
It is different. Like when a Tsunami hits they will never be able evacuate everyone and people get stuck behind no matter despite how good the evacuation plan may have been or how prepared they were.

They were literally trying to get every person out as there was no way they would be able to come back since ORB was toast. The leaders even committed suicide and Cagalli's team in space didn't seem to have any contact with anyone else that could do anything about anyone left behind. So anyone left behind can be assumed dead or worse under the Feds.

Than there's the crowded ship thing again and we know that people were leaving in doves long before that so yeah....
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Old 2013-05-02, 18:50   Link #6909
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How many days the EA fleets travel to the Orb territory? Is there radar working or taking lunch break? It didnt make sense they knew there are coming and Orb just stays silent allowing massive fleet gets closer and closer to their territory without making any preparation to negotiate them.

Probably the writer error.
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Old 2013-05-02, 19:01   Link #6910
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How many days the EA fleets travel to the Orb territory? Is there radar working or taking lunch break? It didnt make sense they knew there are coming and Orb just stays silent allowing massive fleet gets closer and closer to their territory without making any preparation to negotiate them.

Probably the writer error.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Cosmic_Era.gif
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/File:Map_of_Orb_Union.gif

It probably took several days to a few weeks considering the base location and territories. Orb would have known at least for the major islands, they can see the fleet building up. There is also the issue that orb geographic location also helped as well.

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Old 2013-05-02, 19:43   Link #6911
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Well they could always go to the Equatorial Union, or Oceanic Union. It shouldn't be that hard seeing as they likely had some time before the EA's fleet arrived.

Though it sorta bugged me that Orb is a fictional island chain instead of renaming the islands of the equatorial union as Orb territory.
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Old 2013-05-02, 19:48   Link #6912
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Well they could always go to the Equatorial Union, or Oceanic Union. It shouldn't be that hard seeing as they likely had some time before the EA's fleet arrived.

Though it sorta bugged me that Orb is a fictional island chain instead of renaming the islands of the equatorial union as Orb territory.

They could go to Plant allied colonies as well. As for Earth Alliance, they have to be more careful about it where they go as refugee in regard to the Atlantic federation. They could go to east asia or other ones as well.

Think of Orb like Bora Bora or some very far distant pacific island. It going to be hard getting to that destination and back.
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Old 2013-05-02, 19:52   Link #6913
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No, PLANT-allied colonies would be a bad idea because they're under the scrutiny of ZAFT, and Zala's in control then. The Naturals would be weeded out, like Coordinators would be if they went to EA-friendly territory.
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Old 2013-05-02, 20:03   Link #6914
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No, PLANT-allied colonies would be a bad idea because they're under the scrutiny of ZAFT, and Zala's in control then. The Naturals would be weeded out, like Coordinators would be if they went to EA-friendly territory.
I don't think Zala has complete control of colonies. Zala has control over the military, generals, and cabinets. It isn't the same as saying that is treated the same under civilian side.

He could give hints, other than that it treated in a more indirect control with something like state policies. Each colony make its own decision. It is under ZAFT or OMNI are the umbrella group. It doesn't mean they can't have contradicting policies when it personal interests. In a similar manner, OMNI wouldn't be that crazy about doing a decision make them lose so many people when they start moving out. Since that would end up hurting their own economic interest, by not allowing coordinators or naturals in by lending their experience over any developments. Coordinators are good on certain objects, no better than having a natural on other issues.

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Old 2013-05-02, 21:29   Link #6915
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I don't think Zala has complete control of colonies. Zala has control over the military, generals, and cabinets. It isn't the same as saying that is treated the same under civilian side.
Complete control or not, the whole of ZAFT was riled up after JOSH-A. Still would've been dangerous for Naturals regardless.
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Old 2013-05-02, 22:07   Link #6916
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Yeah it wasn't just Zala. Pretty much everyone who didn't bail for Clyne Faction left at all the Plants were very heavily anti natural.
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Old 2013-05-02, 22:44   Link #6917
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Sigh, we need more of this suit, too bad no model kit for it.......
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Old 2013-05-02, 23:43   Link #6918
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Old 2013-05-03, 00:56   Link #6919
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Sigh, we need more of this suit, too bad no model kit for it.......

Uhh, yeah there is?

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Old 2013-05-03, 01:36   Link #6920
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yes, but that's a NG, backpack and weapon needs a complete paintjob + you need to repaint a 1/144 HG zaku Phantom body in the right colors to actually get something decent.

I await HG, RG or MG release!!!!!
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