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Old 2009-04-07, 13:54   Link #461
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Indeed, I was kinda disappointed, got to the end and was like yea that it? If this was a weekly or bi-weekly would have said ok sure.
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Old 2009-04-07, 15:11   Link #462
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"This chapter could have been reduced to 2 or 3 pages easily."

Please don't say things that are just so unrealistic as to be almost hilarious. Plot pacing is more than just, "Faster is better!" There is such a thing as too fast of a plot (example: First episode of Tayutama anime). It's also more than throwing plot development after plot development at the audience in rapid-fire fashion. That's also called bad pacing.
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Old 2009-04-07, 18:39   Link #463
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"This chapter could have been reduced to 2 or 3 pages easily."

Please don't say things that are just so unrealistic as to be almost hilarious. Plot pacing is more than just, "Faster is better!" There is such a thing as too fast of a plot (example: First episode of Tayutama anime). It's also more than throwing plot development after plot development at the audience in rapid-fire fashion. That's also called bad pacing.
Thank you. Even if yours is the post right above me, I'm going to quote it.

For some reason, I found this quote really funny. "... You are harming my reputation by assuming that I peek." Other than that, glad to see that we'll get to see more Kuesu, but I'm afraid she'll more-or-less be out of sight like Shizuku.
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Old 2009-04-07, 18:58   Link #464
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I'm betting the pull a Rosario and throw the manga out the window and make their own story up. In other words crap. It's the only way they could really make it into a series, since there isn't enough material to do one fully yet. At best they could maybe stretch to a 4/6ep OVA
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Old 2009-04-07, 19:02   Link #465
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Original is ok, I don't mind that but as long as even the anime plot don't go in a mess I am fine.
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Old 2009-04-07, 19:12   Link #466
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Original is ok, I don't mind that but as long as even the anime plot don't go in a mess I am fine.
But if it went completely anime-original, why bother calling it an adaptation of Omamori Himari other than the name? It's obviously going to piss off a lot of fans to go completely anime-original, and I'd imagine that it'd cost a bit for the license [I have no idea what I'm talking about], so it'd be more efficient to just tweak the characters a bit and just name it something else.
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Old 2009-04-07, 19:51   Link #467
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They could always combine the manga & novel content together. Besides Omamori Himari probably isn't coming out until fall, and I don't really see it going past 13 episodes, so there should be sufficient plot done by release to keep most of the story (or just make the filler chapters between plot arcs take whole episodes).
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Old 2009-04-07, 20:09   Link #468
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There's something to be said though, R+V's pacing is much better than OH's. Just as with Kannagi, the amount of plot we get on each release is the same we'd get on a weekly manga. The author should make the plot advance much faster. Seriously, this chapter could have been reduced to 2 or 3 pages easily.
Keep in mind this guy is better known for his hentai works. And when it comes to plot and hentai...

this guy needs to start learning how to write a real story, methinks
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Old 2009-04-07, 20:37   Link #469
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IDK I think the story ain't bad so far. Its not inspired brilliance or anything but the plot is more then decent and the artwork is in imo excellent
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Old 2009-04-07, 20:46   Link #470
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Well, I gues I should really say, it's not so much the guy needs to learn how to write a story, so much as its the guy needs to learn how to keep a story flowing smoothly. There's definitely a good plot here, but it needs more development
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Old 2009-04-07, 20:52   Link #471
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Well, I gues I should really say, it's not so much the guy needs to learn how to write a story, so much as its the guy needs to learn how to keep a story flowing smoothly. There's definitely a good plot here, but it needs more development
I agree. In this manga, Yuuto's relationship with his harem seems to take much more importance than the plot. Although I don't have too much of a problem with that, it's a problem when it becomes ridiculously imbalanced. The plot in this manga could use a lot more development, especially since this is a monthly manga, if I remember correctly.

Still, I can't complain about much. I love the characters in this manga. This, to me, seems to relate more with TLR, where any sort of plot it has isn't really important compared to the character interaction. Of course, I'm sure the author doesn't want it that way. The manga does go a little slowly, but I don't think that's the problem.
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Old 2009-04-07, 23:11   Link #472
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Wonder if Rinko will ever get some?

Ageha will probably re-appear during this Kyuubi arc, though I wonder if the loli fox will join the harem too? (Shizuku will NOT like her monopoly on loli taken away though, that's for sure ).

I still expect Kuesu to transfer to Yuuto's class sometime soon though.
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Old 2009-04-07, 23:55   Link #473
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There's something that's been on my mind for a while: Is it possible that any of the girls do things to Yuuto while he's asleep?
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Old 2009-04-08, 00:04   Link #474
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There's something that's been on my mind for a while: Is it possible that any of the girls do things to Yuuto while he's asleep?
probably all of them lol
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Old 2009-04-08, 02:25   Link #475
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Please don't say things that are just so unrealistic as to be almost hilarious.
It's not unrealistic at all. The only important thing that happened in this chapter was Kuesu deciding to be part of Yūto's daily life. You don't need an entire chapter for that. Two or three pages would have sufficed, and the author could have done something else with the other pages.

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Plot pacing is more than just, "Faster is better!"
Please, don't put words on my posts when I never written them myself. I've never said the plot should go as fast as a bullet; my point was Omamori Himari's plot advances far too slow. Check other monthly mangas like FMA, R+V or Claymore and compare the plot advancement on each chapter of those mangas, with that of Omamori Himari. The development is not "too fast;" it is just adequate (for a story that is published monthly), whereas OH's is just too slow. Sometimes, it feels as if I'm reading a weekly manga.
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Old 2009-04-08, 07:12   Link #476
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Old 2009-04-08, 13:41   Link #477
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It's not unrealistic at all. The only important thing that happened in this chapter was Kuesu deciding to be part of Yūto's daily life. You don't need an entire chapter for that. Two or three pages would have sufficed, and the author could have done something else with the other pages.
You mean basically,

Kuesu: "I want to be a part of your daily life,"

in somewhat longer form than that.

What about Himari and Yatsuna? Or Himari and Rinko's funny interaction with Kuesu when she invades Yuuto's closet? Or Shizuku conversing with those other dudes? There's more going on in the chapter than just Kuesu deciding to be a part of Yuuto's life, but again just having "stuff happening" does not make a good story.

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Please, don't put words on my posts when I never written them myself. I've never said the plot should go as fast as a bullet; my point was Omamori Himari's plot advances far too slow. Check other monthly mangas like FMA, R+V or Claymore and compare the plot advancement on each chapter of those mangas, with that of Omamori Himari. The development is not "too fast;" it is just adequate (for a story that is published monthly), whereas OH's is just too slow. Sometimes, it feels as if I'm reading a weekly manga.
All of those mangas have been out for way longer than Omamori Himari so that will cloud your perception. I've read those mangas too so I know what their pacing is like. I'll pick the best example of that lot: Claymore. How much actual character development has there been in that story? None, really. It's been all plot since the beginning.

Now what about Omamori Himari? There's been some plot so far, but there's been a good deal of digging into Yuuto's past, what Rinko's new role is in his life, and so on. It's obvious the plot may not be moving as fast, because there's actual character development going on. Claymore's characters are, to be frank, bland. We know their personalities, but we know very little about what's inside. Being claymores, that doesn't really matter but we've also seen barely to no developing of characters, aside from perhaps Clare, and that's really stretching.

Now we say Claymore has more plot development, but by how much? Let's try distilling the story down to its most important events:
Spoiler for Claymore, most major events, spanning to chapter 90:



That's pretty much what's happened in Claymore so far. What about Omamori Himari?


1. Yuuto meets Himari, finds out he's from a bloodline of demonslayers.

2. Yuuto's encounter with Shizuku and the eventual resolution that the demons will observe Yuuto for now, and we know that Yuuto wants peace (this is important to know; if Yuuto had enthusiastically declared he wanted to be a demonslayer, that would've totally changed the story).

3. Yuuto awakens his demonslayer power. As a result, various parties are now taking interest in him and he is being dragged into the world of demonslayers and demons.


Everything else is really dressing on the salad. There's a lot of background stuff going on for both stories, but by far the events listed above are the most important and significant ones. They're the ones that seriously moved the story forward.

That said, 3 for 29 versus 6 for 90. I think the ratio is actually in favor of Omamori Himari, meaning that the story you claim is moving too slowly is actually moving faster than one you claimed is moving at an adequate speed.
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Old 2009-04-08, 16:22   Link #478
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I would like to remind you all that there is already a thread for the future TV adaptation of Omamori Himari. Therefore, please post there your expectations, no in the manga thread.

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Please, don't put words on my posts when I never written them myself. I've never said the plot should go as fast as a bullet; my point was Omamori Himari's plot advances far too slow. Check other monthly mangas like FMA, R+V or Claymore and compare the plot advancement on each chapter of those mangas, with that of Omamori Himari. The development is not "too fast;" it is just adequate (for a story that is published monthly), whereas OH's is just too slow. Sometimes, it feels as if I'm reading a weekly manga.
I'm not being sarcastic here, but I believe you are making quite some big mistake into comparing OH with... bunch of seasoned mangas that have completely different type of storytelling. What is worse is actually how it is irrelevant to compare with FMA and Claymore, as these are basically on the shounen/seinen side... I mean, comparing this to a comedy/romance/fanservice plot feels completely from the left field.
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Old 2009-04-09, 00:17   Link #479
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What about Himari and Yatsuna? Or Himari and Rinko's funny interaction with Kuesu when she invades Yuuto's closet? Or Shizuku conversing with those other dudes? There's more going on in the chapter than just Kuesu deciding to be a part of Yuuto's life, but again just having "stuff happening" does not make a good story.
The bit with Himari and Yasutsuna wasn't that important, as we already know very well about Himari's resolution to protect her master. If the author wanted to show the sword's condition, he may as well have shown that in a battle. The bit with Himari, Rinko and Kuesu was part of the scene in which Kuesu decided to become part of Yūto's life. The bit with Shizuku and the other people was the only bit of plot we got, and it only received one page. That part could have received more focus.

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How much actual character development has there been in that story? None, really. It's been all plot since the beginning.
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It's obvious the plot may not be moving as fast, because there's actual character development going on.
Not much, actually. Yūto remains mostly the same. It's the same with Rinko, and with Himari up to some extent. Shizuku just fell in love with Yūto, and thus became tame. Kuesu is the only one that has received some development on her character, as we've seen some of her past, we know a bit about her motivations, and she's decided to accept Yūto's decisions and way of life (whilst continuing to push him). Lizlet? Hmm... I think she has milk in her breasts.

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Now we say Claymore has more plot development, but by how much? Let's try distilling the story down to its most important events:
Spoiler for Claymore, most major events, spanning to chapter 90:
Wow! That's quite the oversimplification right there...

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What is worse is actually how it is irrelevant to compare with FMA and Claymore, as these are basically on the shounen/seinen side... I mean, comparing this to a comedy/romance/fanservice plot feels completely from the left field.
Well, to begin with, OH is a shōnen (although, borderline porn). It does have action and an underlying story, unlike say, To Love-Ru. Anyway, maybe you're right on my comparisons, but my point wasn't to compare the type of development, but the pacing per chapter. Anyway, I did mention R+V as an example, and I can also mention Mysterious Girlfriend X.
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Old 2009-04-09, 02:26   Link #480
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Hey I was just wondering if its Kuesu or Ques? Manga Heaven translations her name as Ques, is that right?

Can I get this clarified please, thanks...
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