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Old 2013-08-23, 20:49   Link #5781
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You know I wonder if the author is planning a time skip here? I can see the elder disappearing and the rest of the masters losing since from what we've been shown so far there's no way they're winning a 4v7 or whatever it is. Kenichi as he is can't affect the outcome of any fight against a master. The only problem's I see with there being one is no more high school and I'm not sure how he would be trained.
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Old 2013-08-24, 14:12   Link #5782
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...no matter how I look at it, just what sort of 'weapons training' were you thinking of in that pose, Shigure!?
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Way for Kenichi to "defeat" female opponents without hitting them except in a more metaphorical way?
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Old 2013-08-24, 16:10   Link #5783
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Well that is one quite menacing looking scythe. Shigure just rolling around was the highlight though.
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Old 2013-08-24, 23:28   Link #5784
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Shigure was kinda cute in this last two CP like when she said that Kenichi will have to protect her too lol she have to wait for like 10 years more or something ha ha.
but the fact that Kenichi will need weapons training soon is no joke i guess he will have get his ass kicked by one of the weapons disciples first to take the weapons training seriously.
and who think that the rest of his friends that don't have masters should look for one so they can keep up with the rest that have a master and if his friends get masters they can even be of help against yami.
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Old 2013-08-25, 09:02   Link #5785
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Shigure was kinda cute in this last two CP like when she said that Kenichi will have to protect her too lol she have to wait for like 10 years more or something ha ha.
but the fact that Kenichi will need weapons training soon is no joke i guess he will have get his ass kicked by one of the weapons disciples first to take the weapons training seriously.
and who think that the rest of his friends that don't have masters should look for one so they can keep up with the rest that have a master and if his friends get masters they can even be of help against yami.
I think it was stated a while back that a non weapon user has to be quite a bit stronger than a weapon user to have a chance of winning. On the other hand Kenichi is also a weapon user (arm guards) so it may be fairly even.
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Old 2013-08-25, 13:40   Link #5786
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I think it was stated a while back that a non weapon user has to be quite a bit stronger than a weapon user to have a chance of winning. On the other hand Kenichi is also a weapon user (arm guards) so it may be fairly even.
ya but the arm guard is only for defence and what the point of having a weapons master if you are not going to learn how to use any kind of weapon when you are about to fight the weapon disciples of an evil organization.
he don't want to hurt someone with a weapon he can use a weapon that doesn't kill
or at least learn how to avoid weapons from shigure, because shigure right now have no part in kenichi grows at all.
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Old 2013-08-25, 14:14   Link #5787
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ya but the arm guard is only for defence and what the point of having a weapons master if you are not going to learn how to use any kind of weapon when you are about to fight the weapon disciples of an evil organization.
You make it sound like the other masters besides Shigure actually teach him something other than how to survive torture devices...
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Old 2013-08-25, 15:59   Link #5788
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ya but the arm guard is only for defence and what the point of having a weapons master if you are not going to learn how to use any kind of weapon when you are about to fight the weapon disciples of an evil organization.
he don't want to hurt someone with a weapon he can use a weapon that doesn't kill
or at least learn how to avoid weapons from shigure, because shigure right now have no part in kenichi grows at all.
If you think back to his fight with Ragnarok ... way back.. When Freya's Valkyries came after him. He knew and understood the usage and attack patterns of all of their weapons. They were baffled at how well a non weapon user understood them. I'd be willing to bet his understanding of weapons has grown a lot since then... off screen.

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Apachai teaches him to survive other things... like death by foot and death by elbow
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Old 2013-08-26, 13:09   Link #5789
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Johnny what i mean is that Kenichi learned some fighting techniques from the other masters but he learned non from Shigure he don't have to use weapons but at least he could learn from her about the weapons he is about to face like how to defend against them she is the prodigy of weapons after all what i don't like is that Kenichi have a weapons master yet he don't learn any thing from her and let's be real now if he didn't learn from her now that he is about to face the disciples of yami weapons group then when will he ever do that ,and if Kenichi don't want to use weapons maybe Shigure should teach the valkyrie at least the are willing to learn and they like to use weapons.
and SoloPanda by the time Apachai is done teaching Kenichi he will become some kind of undead fighter because he was between life and death all this time XD he may even became immortal like alucard ok that was to much but you get the picture
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Old 2013-08-26, 16:14   Link #5790
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^ She already does that. She has 'attacked' him with a variety of weapons and also he gets to see her spar with the other masters and he learns their counters to certain generic strike and attack patterns. Even the other masters have gotten on him to learn from Shigure so he can better fight against weapon users.

Besides, weapons are still scary for Kenichi - it's his last hurdle. Shigure's skill with weapons makes her the most scary person for him, even if Shigure herself isn't that scary at all. She wants to teach him (very badly) but he's too afraid. Once he gets over that fear, Kenichi will change. It's probably why the manga-ka hasn't shown him overcoming his fear yet of her.
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Old 2013-08-26, 16:50   Link #5791
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Johnny what i mean is that Kenichi learned some fighting techniques from the other masters but he learned non from Shigure he don't have to use weapons but at least he could learn from her about the weapons he is about to face like how to defend against them she is the prodigy of weapons after all what i don't like is that Kenichi have a weapons master yet he don't learn any thing from her and let's be real now if he didn't learn from her now that he is about to face the disciples of yami weapons group then when will he ever do that ,and if Kenichi don't want to use weapons maybe Shigure should teach the valkyrie at least the are willing to learn and they like to use weapons.
and SoloPanda by the time Apachai is done teaching Kenichi he will become some kind of undead fighter because he was between life and death all this time XD he may even became immortal like alucard ok that was to much but you get the picture
Since when? What 200 or 300 chapters ago? They haven't shown him anything and yet you expect Shigure too? Do I wish it would happen, hell yes! However, it's not going to happen anytime soon if at all since these master fights are probably going to last for weeks...?
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Old 2013-08-26, 21:16   Link #5792
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Besides, weapons are still scary for Kenichi - it's his last hurdle. Shigure's skill with weapons makes her the most scary person for him, even if Shigure herself isn't that scary at all. She wants to teach him (very badly) but he's too afraid. Once he gets over that fear, Kenichi will change. It's probably why the manga-ka hasn't shown him overcoming his fear yet of her.
ya i hope he gets over his fear and learn a thing or two about weapons from her.
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Since when? What 200 or 300 chapters ago? They haven't shown him anything and yet you expect Shigure too? Do I wish it would happen, hell yes! However, it's not going to happen anytime soon if at all since these master fights are probably going to last for weeks...?
what i'm saying is that if Kenichi is going to learn about weapons it should be in this arc after his master finish fighting or after he have his first fight with a disciple from the weapon group and almost die then he will ask her to teach him about that weapon or so it have always been like that frist he run from the training from hell them when he almost die or someone close to him almost get hurt he takes the training then beat the enemy wich is a good thing don't get me wrong i like how he never gives up i just want him to learn from every master all he can so when the time come he doesn't get defeated.
and it's properly now shigure time to shine and that's why she is the one that stayed with kenichi instead of any other master.
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Old 2013-08-27, 07:28   Link #5793
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Since when? What 200 or 300 chapters ago? They haven't shown him anything and yet you expect Shigure too? Do I wish it would happen, hell yes! However, it's not going to happen anytime soon if at all since these master fights are probably going to last for weeks...?
I wouldn't be too sure of that. If they all have the "brilliant" idea of taking on Saiga first, then most of them will get trounced in the same chapter. Akisame might last two or three, but even he cannot stand against the One Shadow. So don't be surprised if it doesn't take as long as you're expecting.
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Old 2013-08-30, 08:31   Link #5794
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I don't care what anyone else says, Shigure's definitely got some 'hot-for-student' feels going for Kenichi. >.> I blame the author for making it seem like that.

Kushineda... get to see her in action again. This ought to be a treat, in more ways than one. Let's see if the power of the invincible four can defeat the big 7.
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Old 2013-08-30, 17:25   Link #5795
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umh...i think kenichi will stick to gauntlets, at most to tonfa . I don't think he will ever use a lethal weapon.
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Old 2013-09-06, 19:25   Link #5796
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I'm banking the Shinpaku Alliance will show up in the next chapter to even out the odds...
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Old 2013-09-08, 01:07   Link #5797
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I bank that Shigure is seriously gonna get hurt this fight
(sad to say though)
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Old 2013-09-08, 01:56   Link #5798
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I bank that Shigure is seriously gonna get hurt this fight
(sad to say though)
It is sad, but I'm tempted to agree. Against the seven Hachious, she doesn't stand a chance. I wouldn't be surprised if Hayato ran to their rescue after he escapes the island. They're gonna need back-up for this one. On their own, they're burnt toast.
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Old 2013-09-08, 07:22   Link #5799
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there is a thing i'm wondering. Why didn't they leave kenichi and company under the boxing master's protection ? They could have brought shigure along which would have helped in that battle . Is that boxing master weak? or maybe they didn't train together with shigure?
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Old 2013-09-08, 07:34   Link #5800
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It's just that he doesn't really care what Ryouzanpaku does
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