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Old 2007-12-23, 14:51   Link #1181
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http://www.blue-drop.jp/4-2.html

This is the link, which in turn link to 4 other pages. If someone can do the honors. There's too much kanji for me and I don't even have the time to try to figure it out.
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Old 2007-12-23, 16:52   Link #1182
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As always, I welcome anyone pointing out mistakes. I'm not too confident with technobabble.


Arume Conception:
No new information.

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Originally Posted by Coming of the Arume
The ones who call themselves Arume, deriving from the M-theory, our space-time birthed a different "brain world." They developed gravity control, and therefore gained the ability to cross into redundant dimensions. The source of this gravity control is the Emiru Force Drive.
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The genetic material for fertilization, fertilization itself, and everything all the way up to implantation is accomplished with nanomachines. Nanomachines also have other benefits in longevity, body health enhancement, and various other areas. They permanently reside in the body. Side effects of this include the luminous blue eye color, the U-melanin(?) in the hair, and the blod turning cloudy upon contact with the atmosphere.
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Originally Posted by Remino(?) Shift
The power to shift through space-time, and also the delicate control of this, arrangement with this time-space mutually existent with a different space-time is now possible (it sounds just as confusing in Japanese ). So as to say in the serial transference state, which space-time is non-existent at the moment is abstract. Ultimate stealth ability.
The enormous amount of energy needed for a shift is provided by the Emiru Force Drive.
That last one confuses the heck out of me no matter how many times I read it. I think that it's trying to say that one dimension turns into Schroedinger's Cat at some point during transit between dimensions.
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Old 2007-12-23, 16:58   Link #1183
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http://www.blue-drop.jp/4-2.html This is the link, which in turn link to 4 other pages. If someone can do the honors. There's too much kanji for me and I don't even have the time to try to figure it out.
Here's my attempt, which is very similar to FPB's:
Spoiler for text of 'secret pages':
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Old 2007-12-23, 17:05   Link #1184
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Arume Conception:
No new information.
Wait, what about this:

そのため、地球人男性は彼女たちを妊娠させることができない。

As a result [of the nanomachines], they can not become pregnant by human males.

Was that revealed in the manga?
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Old 2007-12-23, 17:06   Link #1185
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In that page I only see four phrases with no links to other pages.

Are you sure that's what you are looking for?

Anyway, the meaning of these four phrases are such:

1. The reproduction of the aliens
2. The coming aliens.
3. Those girls' methods
4. Reminoff Shift (not that I know what does that mean...)

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http://www.blue-drop.jp/4-2.html

This is the link, which in turn link to 4 other pages. If someone can do the honors. There's too much kanji for me and I don't even have the time to try to figure it out.
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Old 2007-12-23, 17:07   Link #1186
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For some reason I cannot read the original Japnese text. Could you post them here so that I can see whether I can give a hand?

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As always, I welcome anyone pointing out mistakes. I'm not too confident with technobabble.


Arume Conception:
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That last one confuses the heck out of me no matter how many times I read it. I think that it's trying to say that one dimension turns into Schroedinger's Cat at some point during transit between dimensions.
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Old 2007-12-23, 17:10   Link #1187
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For some reason I cannot read the original Japnese text. Could you post them here so that I can see whether I can give a hand?
The links are over the circles or whatever you want to call them.

BTW, Thanks a lot to FatPianoBoy and Kaoru Chujo!
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Old 2007-12-23, 17:20   Link #1188
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For some reason I cannot read the original Japnese text. Could you post them here so that I can see whether I can give a hand?
Here's the text, roughly assembled from the four original pages. All assistance very welcome:
Spoiler for Japanese text of hidden pages:
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Old 2007-12-23, 17:31   Link #1189
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I do not think that I can translate that any better than you have already done... yeah, also with the brane-world which I really find interesting... It means the Arumes might just also be earthlings just from another universe? Sounds pretty interesting...
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Old 2007-12-23, 17:38   Link #1190
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"[nanomachines] have the side-effects of making their eyes bright blue, of affecting the eumelanin dye in their hair, and of making their blood turn milky white when it touches air."

That explains the blushing, which many peaple thought was a plothole. ^^
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Old 2007-12-23, 17:46   Link #1191
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"[nanomachines] have the side-effects of making their eyes bright blue, of affecting the eumelanin dye in their hair, and of making their blood turn milky white when it touches air."

That explains the blushing, which many peaple thought was a plothole. ^^
Well it's nice to get an explanation for it - but a lot of people won't know about this information if they don't come across the website pages, or the kind translations. They should really try to insert this reason into the anime itself - otherwise a lot of viewers will continue to think it's an unintentional error.

In general though, this is a lot of really interesting background to the Arume; it's a shame the anime isn't longer, because so much of this won't be given much attention, if any. Hello 'sequel' I guess.
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Old 2007-12-23, 18:17   Link #1192
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Wait, what about this:

そのため、地球人男性は彼女たちを妊娠させることができない。

As a result [of the nanomachines], they can not become pregnant by human males.

Was that revealed in the manga?
I'm 99% sure it was, because I knew about it before reading it on that page.

And much thanks to Kaoru Chujo for filling in the gaps in my translation
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Old 2007-12-23, 18:32   Link #1193
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Wait, what about this:

そのため、地球人男性は彼女たちを妊娠させることができない。...

As a result [of the nanomachines], they can not become pregnant by human males.

Was that revealed in the manga?
isnt the line longer there with something like "As a result [of the nanomachines], they can not become pregnant by human males. Thats why they get Earth women pregnant.[... 逆に彼女たちのやり方で地球人女性を妊娠させられる。]"? (go ask your friendly japanes translators
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I cant remember past arguments over earth men and Arume nor manga, but does that mean Arume is here to get earth women pregnant with theyr babys not get themselves pregnant with earth men help ?
As someone translated earlyer...Arume can't get pregnant, so yeah thats the case, i always thought otherwise tho. No wonder theres so many who want to kill men, they are useless. And so many who go with women.

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Old 2007-12-23, 19:49   Link #1194
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逆に彼女たちのやり方で地球人女性を妊娠させられる

can be literally translated as follows: (notice the subject of this sentence has been omitted since it is clear what it should be)

On the contrary, (those alien females), by their methods, is able to make earth females pregnant.

-させられる here has both an indicator for ergative voice and an indicator for possibility.
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Old 2007-12-23, 20:37   Link #1195
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isnt the line longer there with something like "As a result [of the nanomachines], they can not become pregnant by human males. Thats why they get Earth women pregnant.[... 逆に彼女たちのやり方で地球人女性を妊娠させられる。]"?

As someone translated earlyer...Arume can't get pregnant, so yeah thats the case, i always thought otherwise tho. No wonder theres so many who want to kill men, they are useless and so many who go with women.
Yup, that's what i got out of it, too.

Nothing states that they can't get pregnant by each other... just that they cannot conceive male offspring. Whether or not they can isn't clear.
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Old 2007-12-23, 23:14   Link #1196
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i cant remember past arguments over earth men and Arume nor manga, but does that mean Arume is here to get earth women pregnant with theyr babys not get themselves pregnant with earth men help ?
As someone translated earlyer...Arume can't get pregnant, so yeah thats the case, i always thought otherwise tho.
No, they can get pregnant!

Anyway, this is Kaoru Chujo's translation of the whole paragraph, and I think it's pretty accurate:

Quote:
Perhaps by means of some powerful drug, the Arume are endowed with genes that allow them to interbreed with humans. But they have already lost the male sex, and use nanomachines to enable them to fertilize their eggs. That means that they cannot be made pregnant by human males. On the other hand, their method allows them to impregnate human females.
This basically means Arume can be made pregnant by their own women, and can also impregnate human females. But human males cannot impregnate Arume.

This makes sense if you think about it. Their men died, so they created the nanomachines to allow femaleXfemale breeding, but the possibility of maleXfemale disappeared in the process. With this "powerful drug" they can include our women into the equation, but our men are already out of the question because of the nanomachines.

The trick is that the nanomachines have entirely replaced their reproductive system.

EDIT: and of course, they cannot conceive male offspring. But this is a natural problem, the reason their men died in the first place, and something that not even the nanomachines could fix.
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Old 2007-12-24, 08:54   Link #1197
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Well looks the war is coming and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. The past 2 episodes were great with lots of things being reveled. I never suspected that BLUE was a test ship for that kind of experiement. It just makes the whole thing even sadder. Well from what i have been told the war is pretty much an ass kicking on the human race. I feel sorry for all the males in that world things are going to get nasty.


After this over could it be possible we are going to see a 2nd season set in the future after the war? It would be interesting to see it animated but i dont know if i could stand to watch how much they screwed up earths natural order.

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Old 2007-12-24, 11:36   Link #1198
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Oh, how sad it is. Tomorrow the finale will be out, and I have to go out of the town travelling until the end of the year...
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Old 2007-12-24, 13:22   Link #1199
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Old 2007-12-25, 01:20   Link #1200
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Just a little bit longer until the next episode.. cannot wait. It's almost like a Christmas present I guess... (Hopefully with a good ending.)
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