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Old 2007-06-15, 04:41   Link #1
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The world of Claymore

A discussion of the world of Claymore. By necessity most of this thread is still poison to anime watchers, but those who read the translated manga released by Viz know enough to read most of it. I am going to have to insist that spoiler tags be properly titled to let people know the required knowlege level for clicking your spoiler tag: Anime, Viz translated manga or Japanese manga only. If you can specify the exact volume that your spoiler encompasses, that would be best. It may be best for most anime watchers to restrict themselves to discussing the world of Claymore in the Speculation & Theories (for first time viewers) thread, but we are going to try to behave ourselves in case such members enter here.

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Old 2007-06-15, 05:40   Link #2
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Hmm..cool thread..but it would definitely be nice to know the government structure. Because, there doesnt seem to be any kingdom, each village is pretty much of an individual unit. Then again..existence of money ensures the existance of trade. The organization is more like a security facility.

I wonder how the money is regulated and how come people have a common currency even though they arent under one kingdom.

As for religion, there seems to be only the hint of Rabona city till now. Didnt feel any class distinction like rich or poor. There seem to be only a common middle class every where. Society rules are pretty strange for that matter in the anime.

The organization kind of rules everyone but doesnt really impose authority. They are making money, but for what i dont know. Maybe to make claymore hi tech machinery is needed..but who makes it..i have no idea.

Frankly, quite a confusing society...but hech i dont mind the beautiful girls patrolling the area
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Old 2007-06-15, 07:00   Link #3
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It is weird.

If they had kingdoms, I'm sure that each castle/kingdom/fief would have 3-5 Claymores stationed there round the year and they get deployed from there as requests come in from the populace. But then, the girls would be paid for in terms of being 'rentals' than say 'free lance'. And then it would be easier for rival teams to spring up...and the chance that a kingdom would attempt to utilize the Claymore for their own purposes.
Not to mention that a Claymore might get too attatched to anything other than the Org.
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Old 2007-06-15, 07:18   Link #4
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I'm not sure money is regulated at all. They seem to be using sticks of precious metal. They may have some kind of common "standard weight", but rather than trust any kind of "face value", for big purchases, it's likely merchants actually weigh the sticks on a scale. For small ones, guestimating should suffice.
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Old 2007-06-15, 07:55   Link #5
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Just to be on the safer side irrespective of major or minor spoiler I will keep the post in spoiler

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Old 2007-06-15, 08:29   Link #6
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Well I need to finish up what I'm working on over in biology before coming here and digging in. Be warned though a lot of it is going to have Manga spoilers.
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Old 2007-06-15, 08:37   Link #7
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Dito. A lot of field work is required for both, the biology and the "world" thread.

I'm somewhat looking forward to taking a closer look at the faith of the world, especially the lore concerning
Spoiler for Spoiler for Volume 8:
I'll have to reread a great portion of the manga for that...and i usually get headaches after the 10.000th kanji
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Old 2007-06-15, 08:44   Link #8
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I'm somewhat looking forward to taking a closer look at the faith of the world, especially the lore concerning
Spoiler for Spoiler for Volume 8:
I'll have to reread a great portion of the manga for that...and i usually get headaches after the 10.000th kanji
Spoiler for Spoiler for Volume 8:
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Old 2007-06-15, 09:05   Link #9
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I might end up enjoying this thread a bit more than the biology thread (no offence to all the regular contributors there of course ). Looking forward to what your "field research" turns up. It's going to resemble an archeological project, I suspect, because there is so little hard evidence to work on, that most of the time you'd have to fill in the blanks with educated guesses.

I have a few theories/suggestions:

(1)
The lack of kingdoms is not unprecedented in real-world history. Think Dark Ages, between the fall of Rome to around the time of Charlemaigne's "Holy" Roman Empire. This was a time of total anarchy throughout Western Europe. Loyalties were entirely personal in nature, rather than national. That is, tribes of warriors followed the strongest leader, and leadership wasn't necessarily hereditary.

It could well be the case that the World of Claymore (WoC -- not as catchy as the acronym of a "you-know-which" game out there, but it'll do ) is going through a similar Dark Ages period as well.

More likely, it's probably at the stage where it's gradually recovering from that Dark Age, because the individual towns seem wealthy enough.

(2)
Monetary commerce certainly exists, which suggests that someone is issuing the "common" currency. But from the single picture we've seen so far, they're just bars of gold with no official stamp on them. So, it's more likely to be a commonly accepted exchange system, perhaps based on the weight of the bars, rather than on the concept of "legal tender".

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What caused the Dark Age in the first place? Aha....maybe an epidemic of Youma? Long, long before the Organisation came into existence, and definitely a lot longer before Claymores came into existence.

The origin of the Youma was probably well known at one stage, but it has since been lost in the mists of time. My speculation? They probably came from the East. No particular reason why, other than that there is where the Organisation is based. Plus the suggestion from the manga that the East is virtually a wasteland -- sounds like the scars of the original Youma epidemic, if you ask me.

If I could be allowed to imagine further, my preferred real-world analogy would be Huns that came from East, and thundered down towards Western Europe, leaving utter devastation in its wake.


I'll leave it at that for the moment. Make what you will of my suggested angles for further field research.
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Old 2007-06-15, 09:31   Link #10
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This thread is getting more and more interesting

I am thinking about the security. As we can see, normal town people are no match to yoma, only the holy city has it's own security guards and system. Other smaller towns have no professional security personal(at least not visible so far). But travelers between towns and cities are common, look at the roads , wagens and hotels. And the "single" currency also means trade/commerce between towns is well established.
The security/safety of travelers are essential for trade to flourish, I think the yoma/awakened beings problems are not as bad as it seems. The only reliable way to get rid the yomas is to call a claymore and pay a hefty sum, I can't see this is a weekly occurence. Indeed I think "yoma in a town" thing is quite rare. But, besides yoma, there are bandits roaming around. So there must be some kind of law enforcement/ security arrangement between larger cities/ castle and nearby smaller towns.

Some thoughts on Yomas,

1)Although yoma is on top of the food chain, their numbers must be very small compares to human.

2)Yoma doesn't produce many offsprings, for yoma has a very long lifespan(immortal??), if they produce a lot of offsprings, a small number of claymores will not able to control their population.

3)so far, neither manga nor anime has enough information about the gender of yoma(if they have), many of them seems to be male(sounds like). I wonder if they have any female. I'm really curious about their way of reproduction.

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Old 2007-06-15, 11:09   Link #11
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Well..as far as i know..if a yoma has no restriction on a dead or an alive human, there is no reason for it not to take over a female. Plus, ep 1 clearly had a female yoma if u remember ?(the one who dressed as a female)
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Old 2007-06-15, 12:23   Link #12
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Alright, I'd like to discuss religion. The first parts will be stuff that's been seen in the anime, then I'll put some more in spoiler tags.
Well Religion is present in the Claymore world. We know of at least two dieties that were worshipped at some point, the goddessess Teresa and Claire. It's not clear if they are still worshipped or if this is like greek mythology. Either way it really isn't uncommon to name someone after people in myths and scriptures. It's not clear if they are the dieties worshipped at Robona cathedreal, if they are part of a panthoen, or if the religion of Rabona is closer to christianity.
Now we do know a little bit about Rabona Cathedreal. Claire and Raki's cover for going there, and their means of contacting the priest who hired them was that they had been on a pilgremige, and it seems that Rabona Cathedreal is the end of the pilgremige. The organization includes priests, Bishops ans an Archbishop. It seems semi simeler to the Catholic church, but less influnceal than the church was in medivel europe. It is unclear if Rabona is the center of the faith, or just an important stop. If not there may be a pope in charge, located in another city.
Whatever the case is, holy power is apparently not a problem for Yoma. The one hidding in the cathedreal had no issue with all the crosses and the like. So it seems you shouldn't try praying if a Yoma is going to eat you.
Now I'm going to bring up a few points from later in the manga.
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Old 2007-06-15, 12:26   Link #13
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Well, as much as i'd like to say that uncovering details about the faith in the world of Claymore was anything like archeological digging in the sand and bringing forth lots of artifacts, it's actually more like painstakingly searching for mere pebbles and crumbles with a magnifying glass.


Let's see what i've got so far:


Spoiler for What use is folding your hands when you could instead carry a sword for protection... Probably wrought with spoilers, hence the box. Actually, it would be best not to look inside if you're anime-only.:



Looks like Negativedark had something similar in mind. I hope my little rant adds nicely to your exposition^^
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Old 2007-06-15, 12:28   Link #14
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Cough..cough...Tip of the icebergue... ^Looks like you are also finding out what is happeing in there.
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Cough..cough...Tip of the icebergue... ^Looks like you are also finding out what is happeing in there.

It's quite easy to enlarge the tip to full mountain size with an obscene amount of speculation. I'm just afraid that i'd be "discussed to death" shortly after
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Old 2007-06-15, 15:20   Link #16
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Fact: there are plenty of roads, and inns, and at least some cities, which means traders and travellers.
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Old 2007-06-15, 15:46   Link #17
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now they are starting to sound like Zerg larvae...
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Old 2007-06-15, 18:17   Link #18
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the organisation structure...the more i think about it the more i can draw parallel between this world and the one from black cat ~ i can relate the claymores to the chrono numbers as they are all assassins of the sort ~
working for good rather than evil (or so they seem to be) claymores as warriors that act like knights (or black knights) ~

i guess the time frame of the claymore world is still pretty medieval (with people using flaming torches and sharp pitchforks to drive away witches kinda thing) ~
and with that time frame comes the classic example of the church being in control and a huge influencing factor to the peasants ~ to the church anything that is unnatural is deemed "the devil's work" even if it is a devil who saves lives...they are superstitious as well as paranoid (thats human nature fo ya...they often shun things that they dont understand or are scared of...) ~
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Old 2007-06-15, 21:11   Link #19
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I got a theory on the Org that's rather cliche to the max:

This is one of those post apocalyptic stories and the yomas are either mutants or old bio weapons. The Org is what's left of the old government and they biologically enhanced them selves to live forever (It's pretty clear none of the elders are human any more) while continuing to experiment with this new strain that appeared after the war (yomas).

While the land are mostly composed of city states the Org act as a shadow government since they have the most advanced technologies with Claymores as super soldiers. They funds themselves buy getting paid to get rid of wild yomas and also through extortion. Some of the yomas in the wild are probably released by them and sent to the towns as Tersa has implied and was not denied by her agent.

Geographically it's probably Europe and the eastern wasteland refers to the regin near Kazakhstan.
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Old 2007-06-16, 00:21   Link #20
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Ok, we all know there are 47 "posts" and the 47th post is the weakest outpost of them all as stated in ep 10.

Does this mean the 1st post where #1 Claymore operates is the most dangerous outpost of the 47? If #1 is the strongest in the org, that's what they need for this outpost...IMHO.
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