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Old 2010-08-21, 20:48   Link #281
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Sounds like the ending was rushed and sucked lol.
yeah, the ending SUCKED!!!, completely rushed
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Old 2010-08-21, 21:02   Link #282
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Sounds like the ending was rushed and sucked lol.
it didn't suck, it was just...a bit too short, maybe? something like that...

well, it's nothing great though....now that i think about it, OG should've done better seeing as how he even took a monthly break from air gear for it...

i'm not complaining about the ending itself, just i think the chapter wasn't as epic as it should have been....
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Old 2010-08-21, 21:06   Link #283
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Surprised you guys didn't expect this. It's not as if Oh Great! is a good writer to begin with. The whole story in Tenjo Tenge and in Air Gear feels as if Oh Great! is making shit up as the story goes along, well that's because he was making it up. But hey at least he's not as bad Tite Kubo (Bleach), then again that isn't saying much isn't it?
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Old 2010-08-21, 21:14   Link #284
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Eh, I don't really think anything can be quite as bad as Bleach unless you just don't try at all. Actually, you have to really try to suck to be worse than Bleach.
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Old 2010-08-22, 04:47   Link #285
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Surprised you guys didn't expect this. It's not as if Oh Great! is a good writer to begin with. The whole story in Tenjo Tenge and in Air Gear feels as if Oh Great! is making shit up as the story goes along, well that's because he was making it up. But hey at least he's not as bad Tite Kubo (Bleach), then again that isn't saying much isn't it?
yea, no. Really, i'm tired of people claiming this, OG's stories(both TT and AG) are planned out from the very beginning, in AG he did throw in random stuff(like omaha and emiri switching bodies), but he never touched the plot. And OG is really good with the writing technique he uses

stop talking about things you didn't even understand, please.

Seriously, why is it that 85% of TT and AG readers have the attention span of Homer Simpson?
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Old 2010-08-22, 09:33   Link #286
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If that's what you want to believe to make yourself feel better than go ahead.
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Old 2010-08-22, 13:06   Link #287
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yea, no. Really, i'm tired of people claiming this, OG's stories(both TT and AG) are planned out from the very beginning, in AG he did throw in random stuff(like omaha and emiri switching bodies), but he never touched the plot. And OG is really good with the writing technique he uses

stop talking about things you didn't even understand, please.

Seriously, why is it that 85% of TT and AG readers have the attention span of Homer Simpson?
Eh I stuck with AG for 200 chapters, if I had known sooner that it would spiral into nonsense and even more nonsense I would have given up alot sooner.
TT really wasn't all that great, even if Oh Great! had planned out everything still doesn't mean it's good writing.

Thing here with Oh Great! is he comes up with some interesting premises that start off pretty well but then it just seems to go down hill from there. AG is the prime example.

I'll give Oh Great! something tho, he had me fooled about Emi, I would have never had guessed>_<
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Old 2010-08-22, 15:15   Link #288
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TT really wasn't all that great, even if Oh Great! had planned out everything still doesn't mean it's good writing.
That depends, really, since it's mostly up to personal taste to judge whether it's good or bad. To begin with, you'd hardly consider someone a good writer if you don't like his story, even if it's expressed in a "flawless" way...

I don't think OG is a great writer, but he's not bad either. Especially in TT, he does a pretty good job at telling the story, constantly keeping it from the perspective of the main characters and making a pretty good use of flashbacks and back stories to better enforce the concept of determinism which dominates the plot, created interesting plot twists and cliffhangers, all while keeping it relatively simple and easy to follow(well, unless you have the attention span of Homer Simpson, in which case it's your fault if you're not able to follow it)

i think he does exaggerates in the use of hyperboles and philosophical stuff, which is his main flaw

his story-telling in AG is definitely worse, but i wouldn't say it's bad either


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Thing here with Oh Great! is he comes up with some interesting premises that start off pretty well but then it just seems to go down hill from there. AG is the prime example.
That's just a matter of taste, whether you like the story or not
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Old 2010-08-23, 02:43   Link #289
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OG's manga are full of random stuffs and I don't think the plot is planed. The manga he wrote start good and interesting, but it became nonsense later. i think he just threw in what he liked.

Bleach is very terrible with many battles going on but no plot development for the past 3 years.
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Old 2010-08-23, 06:31   Link #290
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Seriously, why is it that 85% of TT and AG readers have the attention span of Homer Simpson?
Obviously, we must all be retarded for not agreeing with your superior opinion. If you're one of the few people who like Oh! Great's storytelling, good for you, but there's no need to be so condescending. Especially when it's TT we're talking about.

I have a hard time beliving Oh! Great planned out the story from the beginning. Oh! Great's ability as a writer is decent, the problem is that he tries to go beyond that. He should just stick with more simple plots. TT's plot remained fairly understandable but still became needlessly convoluted along the way.
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Old 2010-08-23, 19:37   Link #291
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Obviously, we must all be retarded for not agreeing with your superior opinion. If you're one of the few people who like Oh! Great's storytelling, good for you, but there's no need to be so condescending. Especially when it's TT we're talking about.
oh please, i'm not a genius and i had no problems following the plot, if you actually pay attention to it, it's very easy to follow. If you just don't have a good memory, then re-read it...

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I have a hard time beliving Oh! Great planned out the story from the beginning.
well, there are two possibilities, either OG had already planned the plot from the beginning, or he's a genius capable of writing a story about determinism as he goes along, without even creating plot holes...which one is more likely to you?(and watching air gear, where he used pretty much the same writing techniques, makes it even more likely...)

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Oh! Great's ability as a writer is decent, the problem is that he tries to go beyond that. He should just stick with more simple plots. TT's plot remained fairly understandable but still became needlessly convoluted along the way.
as i already said, i think his biggest problem is that he uses waaay too many hyperboles and philosophical notions and concepts, which makes it harder to understand what the characters are saying, and especially what's to be taken literally and what isn't(biggest example, there are people complaining about the fact that the "true warrior" didn't appear in the end...)

on the other hand, he's extremely good at using flash backs and back-stories, and his way of exposing the plot from the characters point of view is pretty interesting(the reveal in air gear was one of the best plot twists i have seen in manga -i dare you to say otherwise- and it was mostly thanks to that), but i agree he's got a tendency to try to go beyond his capabilities, and is not very good when it comes to keep the overall feel of certain scenes(for example, nagi becoming susanoo and getting on the roof was epicaly done, it truly delivered the sense of despair the other characters were feeling facing him and the seriousness of the situation...and then lost it almost entirely in like 3 chapters...)

but enough about OG as a writer, this is a discussion about TT afterall, sorry for derailing it

so as i said, the ending seems decent, but looking at the chapter itself, it does kinda feel underwhelming...i mean, given all the hype and expectations there were around it, and given that it really only needed to resolve the main plot with the final battle, i expected more from OG....i really hope at least in the volume version, he'll add pages to give more focus on Maya's sacrifice, because it just doesn't feel right like this...
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Old 2010-08-23, 19:44   Link #292
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i just started reading this manga and i have a question.
does maya talks to mitsuomi about why she is going against him? and telling him that she really loves him?
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Old 2010-08-23, 21:16   Link #293
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Mitsuomi knows why Maya's going against him, and no, she doesn't...though she doesn't really need to, either...
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Old 2010-08-24, 12:59   Link #294
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The problem really is that for the first half of the series, the manga was character driven. However, once we started getting into the 1000 year kung fu crap, it became plot driven, and most characterizations pretty much took a back seat to getting the convoluted plot going. He introduced too many characters with too little characterization, then discards them once the plot doesn't need them anymore.
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Old 2010-08-25, 01:20   Link #295
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I think Oh! Great has this fetish for character design porn. What I mean by that, is that he seems to enjoy drawing all these interesting looking characters to the point of overcrowding his story with miscellaneous extras. I mean, his characters look great and interesting, but sometimes I feel like they're there because of that, and not of what they can possibly offer in the story. The same can be said of Air Gear it seems, but I can't really confirm that since I'm not following it.

For example, what happens to that kid they rescue, a distant relative of the Natsume Clan, who possesses the Dragon's Pupil? Or how about Shizuru? That's it..? Instead of introducing new characters, previously established ones could've been more useful to the story as well.
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Old 2010-08-25, 10:16   Link #296
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So has anyone read the final chapters?

Anyone want to spoil the rest of us? I'd like to know what happens...
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Old 2010-08-25, 11:56   Link #297
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So has anyone read the final chapters?

Anyone want to spoil the rest of us? I'd like to know what happens...
here's a few points

Spoiler for final chapter:

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Old 2010-08-25, 12:07   Link #298
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Super. Lame. ending.
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Old 2010-08-25, 14:32   Link #299
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So lame......
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Old 2010-08-25, 17:54   Link #300
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Weak ass balls.

Shitty ending to what could of been an epic finish.
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