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The argument regarding related to anime is redundant there are two sections which are partially dealing with anime. These are frequented by 10 % users.. Also these users do not frequent anime threads .They exsist as they are related to anime
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2007-08-22, 18:57 | Link #62 |
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Apparently none of you noticed my post which holds a key to this issue, so Ill repeat it for those who blind:
The simplest solution is to make a poll! Then you will see how much ppl actually wants the live action subsection. But for the love of gods, dont create a poll with "No I dont want live action subsection" option, please. Make only 2 options, the "Yes thatll be great" and "I dont give a flying duck" one 8) This poll will end this senceless flood of whats related to anime and whats not, I hope. TY all! |
2007-08-23, 01:59 | Link #63 |
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A poll is pointless. A thread where people can say what they like and if they would like one is much better.
This thread does that and I don't see people with 100+ posts coming in a saying: "I love this and that... and would love a forum" NSW happens to think people would post (a lot) and that's why he's against it. So why bother... ~ Sazelyt & Geta Post count doesn't make it smarter.
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2007-08-23, 09:24 | Link #64 |
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It may not, in another forum. But, here the spam count is not very high. Anyway, regardless of what we think on that, the threads and the forum survive and live with the posts. And, if you can maintain the quality of the majority of the posts above some level on related forums, the post count becomes important.
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2007-08-23, 10:31 | Link #65 | |
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I've yet to actually see a compelling reason put forward to create a Live-Action forum so far. Since I consider myself a fan of live action J-Dorama I wouldn't be that against such a forum but as I said, I can't say I really noticed a good reason why a Live-Action forum should be created over say a Sports forum or a Movies forum.
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Live Action 23 posts in 6 threads (over half of which came from one thread). Sports 161 posts in 4 threads (the bulk of which came from one thread) Movies 196 posts in 16 threads Notes: For Live-Action I looked in the Fansubbed, Unaired and General Chat forums, for Sports and Movies I looked in the General Chat forum. By "movies", I mean the typical Hollywood movie. This seems to be telling me that we should be creating a Movies forum and a Sports forum before we create that Live-Action forum. I'm sure that if such forums were created then we would attract a lot more new posts and activity as well as some new members who would want to post. Both of these forums could also be "related" to anime as well, there are a number of sports anime already so it would help encourage non-anime watchers to consider series such as Major, Eyeshield 21, Ookiku Furikabutte, etc. But as we have repeatedly stated, we are not trying to make AnimeSuki into the be all and end all of forums. We do not feel the need to try and be everything to everybody. As it stands, we have no objection if people post in the existing Live-Action threads and if such threads don't exist then we have no problem if they are created by those interested in discussing the series. It's not as if we don't allow Live-Action discussion. I don't really see how grouping them together into a forum actually helps that much. I'm not saying there aren't advantages but before we go down that route I would like to see a noticeable change, one that is vastly greater that topics such as Sports and Movies, in the contribution and activity for Live-Action threads. And that doesn't just mean posts counts, there are a lot more variables we consider when deciding on new sub-forums. I'm not trying to put down the idea of such a forum but I still would like to see constructive reasons, more than "it would be a good idea". So, Sazelyt, Geta Boshi and the others who have made the requests, please put your thinking caps on |
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2007-08-23, 11:05 | Link #66 | |
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The numbers don't lie, that shows there is not much attraction towards that topic. It may be caused because of disorientation. You have to find the related thread which may be lot of pages away, instead of just directly entering a live-action forum and posting there, and if not many people are posting there you wouldn't want to post. Speaking from my view, I don't think I have posted in the live-action threads, because of many reasons. But, I think I would post if I see a forum specifically for that, and if there are enough number of people who would want to post like me (I guess we can count you in), it may generate good results. (as an example, if there would be 50 or so people interested in and posting in One Piece, I would post quite a lot in there, because of finding a great variety of people to discuss the topic in a focused forum, instead of idling) That is why the suggestion of a trial period seems to be a reasonable idea. It would be useful to determine whether it will add valuable content to animesuki or whether the efforts will be wasted. But, at least, we can make a definite claim on what the real case is. |
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2007-08-24, 07:08 | Link #67 |
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xris, if you and the rest of the staff aren't that against the idea of having this LA forum or extra forums in general, but just don't wish for extra clutter and/or distractions or non-anime forums, then one solution might be to just sink them beneath the overlaying "important" forums.
The solution would go something like this: you create a subforum in one of the current top level forums (General Chat would be the most appropriate) then place forums like LA and others in it. (since I've heard these LA bable in the past) The forums would become accessible either by clicking the sub-forum link under General Chat or going to General Chat where it should be appearing in a box at the top with it's forums as sub-forums. (similar to how you see the Current/Older Series forums) But this is all in the idea that the LA fans can't discuss anything if they don't have a forum structure, which I find hard to believe.
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2007-08-24, 09:09 | Link #68 | |
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We already discussed the cons so here are some of the Pros of having a seprate subsection
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2007-08-24, 09:14 | Link #69 |
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Hmm, I have not been following this discussion, but I believe there are a few factors that should be considered when creating a subforum.
Basically a forum structures a discussion such that opinions are categorised and dealt with respectively. If the discussion requires such a structure then by all means go with it. In case some may feel that such a subforum may compromise other forums, I would like to say that this is not a problem, because if you just follow Cats' suggestion, this can be overcome easily. I personally have no personal objection/ approval of such a forum since I don't really know what Live-Action really is. (I have some vague idea that it's an anime series turned into a film of some sort) but if it's anime related, and popular enough, &in demand, I don't see why it shouldn't be created. That is, if it is popular and demanded by the above criterion. ^^ - Edit: D: did geta just post something similar? Why am I always late... |
2007-08-24, 11:28 | Link #70 | |
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At the bottom and top of each forum there is a button for creating new threads.
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2007-08-25, 14:51 | Link #75 |
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Well, I see a big difference here 8)
I SUGGESTED, not ASKED 8) And also, as I said, there is nothing for me from creation of LA subforum, and dont you think that if I was the one who created the poll, the one who doesnt really interested in that, that it would look really strange? |
2007-09-26, 16:26 | Link #76 | |
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I just noticed that the forum ID for that section is 33. I don't know the first active year of the forum. But, if Animesuki was originally a part of a game related site, why did you wait too long, nearly one-year to form that forum, if the interest was already there when you formed this site? It is rather surprising, I would have expected it to be created earlier than the Naruto forum... |
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2007-09-26, 17:54 | Link #77 |
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Those numbers don't mean anything. No conspiracy here.
This version of the forum was initially created in the last quarter of 2003 when we switched the software from Burning Board to vBulletin. Not sure if the archive of the old software is still online, but the forums were all created from scratch in this software at that point, to closely match the old forum. They were not created in the original chronological order. Note the first post dates are only one day apart: 2003-11-04 (Naruto) and 2003-11-05 (Games). The original forum would have been created around December 2002 or January 2003 (I forget which), probably by copying the database of the original EmulatorZone forum and creating new/different forums specific to AnimeSuki. The EZ forum has existed since around 2001-01-17 (I'm guessing here based on GHDpro's "registration" date). |
2007-09-27, 03:34 | Link #78 | |
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Actually, NightWish, you're somewhat mistaken. While your facts about reorg of AnimeSuki's database are all accurate, your history is somewhat lacking.
When AnimeSuki was split off from the EZ Forum back in the dawn of history it did not have a Games Forum. Although much of the userbase had an interest in games, we felt that we should focus on Anime and asked those interested in games to discuss it on other forums, like EZ. Finally, probably after about a year, we caved in to our member's interests and created a forum for anime related games. After all, there was definitely a strong relation to anime. We tried for a while to limit it to anime related games only, but finally surrendered to the inevitable and allowed our members to discuss all games there. I suppose it is not impossible that we would eventually surrender to a desire for discussing LA just as we did about Games, but there is one big difference between the situations now and then. Back then we were comparatively small with only a few distinct forums. Heck, we didn't have individual series discussions, a separate Unaired Forum, Suggestions Forum or many of the other discussion forums that we have today. Back then we had a lot of room for growth. Small forums like to grow. Now we are so humongous that growth is not desirable. We'd have to be convinced that this new growth is truly advantageous to our future. If we decide to take on live action, then it will grow and force us to become an even larger forum. For the love of god, please just go to HongFire or D-Addicts if you want to discuss Live Action. Their membership is far more knowlegable about it than we are and you'll find tons of people who want to discuss it with you. D-Addicts will not only allow you to discuss it, they also host torrents! How can we possibly compete with that unless we open DoramaSuki? Quote:
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2007-09-27, 04:37 | Link #79 |
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Keeping an outdated version of old bulletin board software online is like asking for your server to be hacked. Or at least, I felt it wasn't a good thing to keep it around.
But here is a snapshot of the EZ forum from February 2003, when AnimeSuki was still part of it: http://web.archive.org/web/200302182...ator-zone.com/ And here is a snapshot of the initial AS forum from June 2003, just prior to the first backups "issue": http://web.archive.org/web/200306180...animesuki.com/ In November 2003 the forum server had it's first backup issue, wiping out 3 months worth of posts. since we were also going to convert over to vBulletin, it was decided to keep only the user accounts and nothing else. Hence why my registration date is still dates back from the EZ forum. |
2007-09-27, 04:47 | Link #80 | |
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Not creating it immediately after splitting from a game forum would make a lot more sense. It would have been silly to keep a pale imitation of the previous forum hanging around. I assume those first posts I was looking at were moved out of their original locations when the new forum was created; which makes sense now I think about it, as that is what we would do if a Live Action forum were needed now. |
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