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View Poll Results: Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 15 Rating
Perfect 10 7 16.28%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 9 20.93%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 18 41.86%
7 out of 10 : Good 7 16.28%
6 out of 10 : Average 2 4.65%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
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Old 2007-07-10, 02:25   Link #221
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Exactly how many.
You make no sense, you know? He said "may", therefore he don't know "exactly". Why don't you ask something useful (and that make sense) instead?

EDIT: on topic:

I think 11 episodes are enough if they begin to develop the plot in the next episode.
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Old 2007-07-10, 02:29   Link #222
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You make no sense, you know? He said "may", therefore he don't know "exactly". Why don't you ask something usefull (and that make sense) instead?

EDIT: on topic:

I think 11 episodes are enough if they begin to develop the plot in the next episode.
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11 episodes may not be enough with so many subplots.
I was asking the how many subplots. His 'may' was refering to the 11 episodes.
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Old 2007-07-10, 02:30   Link #223
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You make no sense, you know? He said "may", therefore he don't know "exactly". Why don't you ask something useful (and that make sense) instead?
Chaos was referring to the number of subplots Adr was talking about, not the "may".
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Old 2007-07-10, 02:43   Link #224
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I was asking the how many subplots. His 'may' was refering to the 11 episodes.
My mistake, sorry. However, that doesn't mean your question was meaningful or even relevant. You just wanted to bug Adr 00.

Anyway, this will escalate to something quite troublesome if I don't stop here. Let's move on.
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Old 2007-07-10, 02:52   Link #225
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Apology accepted. However, that doesn't mean my question wasn't meaningful or not relevant. You just wanted to see it that way.

Anyway, this will escalate to something quite troublesome if I don't stop here. Let's move on.

Does anyone have a layout of the Number's combat position base on their individual speciality?

And how many subplots are there.

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Old 2007-07-10, 03:55   Link #226
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Does anyone have a layout of the Number's combat position base on their individual speciality?

And how many subplots are there.
I : Unknown (( clearly the most senior ))
II : Unknown
III : Speed (( should be offensive, but support type or combat type unknown. ))
IV : Illusionist (( rear support ))
V : Unknown
VI : Deep Diver (( sneak-attack/recon? ))
VII : Unknown
VIII : Unknown
IX : Close Combat (( front-liner, style unknown. ))
X : Sniper (( long-range power-shooter ))
XI : Close Combat ((... Pincer Shield? frontliner ))
XII : Unknown

Nanoha :
- Past injury/Quatrro/Affliation with Numbers
Fate/Elio :
-Project F
Hayate :
- RF6 Leader responsibility/possible death flag/possible prophecy involvement
Subaru/Ginga :
- YOU KILLED MY MOTHER! No...I am your mother.
Teana:
-....over?
Caro:
- Voltaire, the Black Dragon.
- Possible berserking dragon.
Wolkenritter :
- None, Vita possibly with the Nanoha one.
Vice :
- Former mage lol?
Saint Church:
- So...why 3 Ancient Belka users? Surely there had to be...something.
- Prophecy Revelation/Truth
TSAB :
-SEELE! Internal right-wing faction.
- Regius/Ground/Eihenjar affair
- 3 Admirals...maybe?
Scaglietti Faction:
- Numbers
- WHAT THE HELL ARE RELICS?
- Material/King
- Why are you doing this?
Lutecia:
-Specific relic search
-Reason
-Background
Zest:
- I dunno? Something? Why's he Knight?
Agito:
Either they'll explain more or be done with it.
Client:
Who...are...you?

If there's more, most of them probably ties in mildly to the rest overall. Vivio is related to King/material, and stuff like that. Even with this list, some things can be tied in accordingly depending on how the story plays out.
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Old 2007-07-10, 04:26   Link #227
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thats a long list of subplots in this series...but the overall main plot is the relic's case.

I don't know if this counts but I guess I'll suggest it to add it on to that list.
How about the case of Subaru and Ginga's mother's death?
seemed like at the end of episode 14, Ginga looks like she wants to find out who killed her mother and get revenge.
So pretty much,
Ginga/Subaru:
-Who killed their mother and how is it related to the relics case.
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Old 2007-07-10, 04:40   Link #228
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I : Unknown (( clearly the most senior ))
II : Unknown
III : Speed (( should be offensive, but support type or combat type unknown. ))
IV : Illusionist (( rear support ))
V : Unknown
VI : Deep Diver (( sneak-attack/recon? ))
VII : Unknown
VIII : Unknown
IX : Close Combat (( front-liner, style unknown. ))
X : Sniper (( long-range power-shooter ))
XI : Close Combat ((... Pincer Shield? frontliner ))
XII : Unknown

Nanoha :
- Past injury/Quatrro/Affliation with Numbers
Fate/Elio :
-Project F
Hayate :
- RF6 Leader responsibility/possible death flag/possible prophecy involvement
Subaru/Ginga :
- YOU KILLED MY MOTHER! No...I am your mother.
Teana:
-....over?
Caro:
- Voltaire, the Black Dragon.
- Possible berserking dragon.
Wolkenritter :
- None, Vita possibly with the Nanoha one.
Vice :
- Former mage lol?
Saint Church:
- So...why 3 Ancient Belka users? Surely there had to be...something.
- Prophecy Revelation/Truth
TSAB :
-SEELE! Internal right-wing faction.
- Regius/Ground/Eihenjar affair
- 3 Admirals...maybe?
Scaglietti Faction:
- Numbers
- WHAT THE HELL ARE RELICS?
- Material/King
- Why are you doing this?
Lutecia:
-Specific relic search
-Reason
-Background
Zest:
- I dunno? Something? Why's he Knight?
Agito:
Either they'll explain more or be done with it.
Client:
Who...are...you?

If there's more, most of them probably ties in mildly to the rest overall. Vivio is related to King/material, and stuff like that. Even with this list, some things can be tied in accordingly depending on how the story plays out.

See guys?there's so many and yet so little time.
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Old 2007-07-10, 04:50   Link #229
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I : Unknown (( clearly the most senior ))
II : Unknown
III : Speed (( should be offensive, but support type or combat type unknown. ))
IV : Illusionist (( rear support ))
V : Unknown
VI : Deep Diver (( sneak-attack/recon? ))
VII : Unknown
VIII : Unknown
IX : Close Combat (( front-liner, style unknown. ))
X : Sniper (( long-range power-shooter ))
XI : Close Combat ((... Pincer Shield? frontliner ))
XII : Unknown

Nanoha :
- Past injury/Quatrro/Affliation with Numbers
Fate/Elio :
-Project F
Hayate :
- RF6 Leader responsibility/possible death flag/possible prophecy involvement
Subaru/Ginga :
- YOU KILLED MY MOTHER! No...I am your mother.
Teana:
-....over?
Caro:
- Voltaire, the Black Dragon.
- Possible berserking dragon.
Wolkenritter :
- None, Vita possibly with the Nanoha one.
Vice :
- Former mage lol?
Saint Church:
- So...why 3 Ancient Belka users? Surely there had to be...something.
- Prophecy Revelation/Truth
TSAB :
-SEELE! Internal right-wing faction.
- Regius/Ground/Eihenjar affair
- 3 Admirals...maybe?
Scaglietti Faction:
- Numbers
- WHAT THE HELL ARE RELICS?
- Material/King
- Why are you doing this?
Lutecia:
-Specific relic search
-Reason
-Background
Zest:
- I dunno? Something? Why's he Knight?
Agito:
Either they'll explain more or be done with it.
Client:
Who...are...you?

If there's more, most of them probably ties in mildly to the rest overall. Vivio is related to King/material, and stuff like that. Even with this list, some things can be tied in accordingly depending on how the story plays out.
Nice summary on points many of the key points so far .

Still alot of things listed above ties in quite well together so there is a good chance that everything gets cover. Also Nanoha production team likes to throw things in air to throw people off , like the possibility of destruction of devices in A's which like Caro's serking dragon may never happen.
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Old 2007-07-10, 05:42   Link #230
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Actually Caro could have just left the table and thusly not eating the carrot.Or trick Erio/Teana/subaru/anyone else nearby to look away and place the carrot on their plate.
Point is that Caro decided to have it herself, because of Hayate's "disliking won't make you beauty like N&F".
Erio even asked her what she's gonna do, clearly willing to accept it if she chose to do so

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Actually, while having break time at my work, I got something like...
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Uno: No, I am your mother.
Subaru: NOOOOOOOOOOO!
... I blame the ultra-high temperature of my work-place

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Now that think about it, Marie was giving Nakajima sisters an usual "medical check"... Why Marie?
She is more of "technician", like she's been looking after Aces' device for 10 years, so I can't really think why she has to do that when Shamal is around in RF6.
With "Wing Road is an inherent magic of Subaru (or Nakajima's)" from latest comic, I can't help myself imagining some artifical factor within them as well...

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Old 2007-07-10, 05:57   Link #231
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Seen the episode today. Not bad of an episode...Subaru vs. Ginga sparring fight was interesting.

Spoiler for thoughts on episode:


for the new ending theme, I will have to get used to listening to the new song "beautiful amulet"...nice song, but "Hoshizora no spica" is still in my head.
Not to mention, looks like Nanoha is back in the "secret garden" in this new ending.
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Old 2007-07-10, 06:17   Link #232
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Actually, it's not really alot.

Look, the main points are:

1, Prophecy - Church's and Navy's business
2, Eihenjar affair - Ground Forces
3, Project F/ Numbers development - Jail
4, Relic - Team Lutecia

Individual character development goes hand in hand with the main points, that means by going through one of them, you'll more or less settle a number of character's.

For example, Subaru/Ginga, Erio and Fate- deal with Jail and you'll get their answer.

And some things would probably just be taken as it is, like why 3 ancient Velka users? Because they only found 3!
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Old 2007-07-10, 06:29   Link #233
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Actually, it's not really alot.

Look, the main points are:

1, Prophecy - Church's and Navy's business
2, Eihenjar affair - Ground Forces
3, Project F/ Numbers development - Jail
4, Relic - Team Lutecia

Individual character development goes hand in hand with the main points, that means by going through one of them, you'll more or less settle a number of character's.

For example, Subaru/Ginga, Erio and Fate- deal with Jail and you'll get their answer.

And some things would probably just be taken as it is, like why 3 ancient Velka users? Because they only found 3!

Look,1 can be coved within conversations during the Episodes isnt a problem.But im afraid that if 2 and 3 are settled,there may not be room for 4.
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Look,1 can be coved within conversations during the Episodes isnt a problem.But im afraid that if 2 and 3 are settled,there may not be room for 4.
You're confused about the focus of things. I didn't arrange them according to order of importance.

The prophecy, is the whole mess that is put into motion because of Jail and Lutecia's hunting of Relics.

The very first thing they'll tackle is in fact, the obvious enemy and his plans. Definately they'll have to confront both Jail and Lutecia about their intentions. However, inbetween there is the issue of what the Ground Forces are planning behind everybody's back.

Which then somehow all of this would be toss together into the plot-pot to stir up the prophecy which would be explained by their actions.
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Old 2007-07-10, 06:48   Link #235
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Actually, it's not really alot.

Look, the main points are:

1, Prophecy - Church's and Navy's business
2, Eihenjar affair - Ground Forces
3, Project F/ Numbers development - Jail
4, Relic - Team Lutecia

Individual character development goes hand in hand with the main points, that means by going through one of them, you'll more or less settle a number of character's.

For example, Subaru/Ginga, Erio and Fate- deal with Jail and you'll get their answer.

And some things would probably just be taken as it is, like why 3 ancient Velka users? Because they only found 3!
Well, I personally don't doubt that the subplots can be covered. Like I said, a lot of them already overlap by nature, and in the hands of a skilled writer, it can overlap even more.

But remember our whole "current pace" talk? Like how many episodes it took in general to resolve Teana's subplot, or the latest 3 episodes used as nothing but the calm, calm, calm before the storm along with more background related plot developments? I think the fears that some elements may feel rushed more so than the rest, etc is justified. I'd rather not worry and let things go as they go, but it's not like the complaints are not very biased.

Well, that's something for another thread. I just generally list out the minute-details of the subplots for the characters in general as requested. The main plot point...was well your 4-point stuff.

And to be honest, I don't really think Eihenjar will be all that big of a deal as far as it sounds. I REALLY REALLY doubt they'll introduce MORE characters at this stage... and even if they do, they'll probably WTFPWNed by the Numbers to fuel the Numbers hype...since they obviously can't let the Numbers kill off any important characters this early. Even those like Vice.

@thisguy

Actually, when I heard that Ginga/Subaru's mom was involved the the War Humanoids thing, my first thought was "lol their mom is going to pull a Darth Vader as a Number or something"...then it kinda dawned that...maybe their mom was a War Humanoid or something... then all sorts of crack start pouring into my brain, I stopped the overflow.

Then yeah, with the Marie thing, the strange medical check-up condition (( Shamal's room... I don't see any scanner thing )) and the ominious cutting to the Numbers... holy shite, could it BE?!?!?!?

I still think I'm mildly on crack, but it's something that did cross my mind as far as theories go last episode.
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yea what was up with that medical check up on Subaru and Ginga...I wonder if that has anything to do with anything right now...hmmm, but that theory of Subaru and Ginga's mom being a number herself...now that would be a twist to find out the results of that scan...
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Well, that's something for another thread. I just generally list out the minute-details of the subplots for the characters in general as requested. The main plot point...was well your 4-point stuff.
Yeah I noe I noe... I was just responding to Adr 00's paranoia...

You know how I feel about it.


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I still think I'm mildly on crack, but it's something that did cross my mind as far as theories go last episode.
So you're body naturally produces crack eh...?

That would explain the 'Exotic' taste
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yea what was up with that medical check up on Subaru and Ginga...I wonder if that has anything to do with anything right now...hmmm, but that theory of Subaru and Ginga's mom being a number herself...now that would be a twist to find out the results of that scan...
I really wonder how did things develop to this state with a simple medical check up ...

Given they are pick up the pacing of things, I wonder if there will be many further personal relationship devlopments after action part of the plot starts to kicks in. I could see some downsides to put most air time to unresolved issues...
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I really wonder how did things develop to this state with a simple medical check up ...

Given they are pick up the pacing of things, I wonder if there will be many further personal relationship devlopments after action part of the plot starts to kicks in. I could see some downsides to put most air time to unresolved issues...
well its just a theory for now...

with 11 episodes to go, I think there is alot of time left to resolve or explain all these subplots being shot at us in this series.
Its time for battle and I guess an all out war.
Einjahar that are under Regius' command. This could get ugly as Einjahar are referred to spirits that were chosen by Valkyries to become soldiers for them in a war. Einjahar can be referred to the "the dead will dance" part in the Prophecy.
Numbers and Scaglietti's army of drones...alot of them.
Not to mention, we still need an explanation from Lutecia herself on why Vivio seems so important in this relic case...
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Not to mention, we still need an explanation from Lutecia herself on why Vivio seems so important in this relic case...
Wrong person to ask. I'm guessing that she probably doesn't know or care about what the doctor and his Numbers want with Vivio.

What you should be asking her is what exactly does the numbers on the relic represent? And why is the Eleventh so vitally important to her?
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