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Old 2007-08-11, 19:40   Link #61
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So it's a pretty accurate indication of what most Japanese males prefer.
Based on what? Even if you could lay out all the statistics after a year long case study and could prove it at the 90% confidence interval, it would still be a stereotype.

Anyways off the topic - You may now return to your regularly scheduled Makoto bashing
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Old 2007-08-11, 19:43   Link #62
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I"m afraid that's exactly the case. And with Otome getting in the picture too, his harem keeps growing.
Not exactly accurate. He got tired of Koto before he started seeing Sekai as a love interest.

As for Otome, he doesn't look interested at all.
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Old 2007-08-11, 20:33   Link #63
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Based on what? Even if you could lay out all the statistics after a year long case study and could prove it at the 90% confidence interval, it would still be a stereotype.

Anyways off the topic - You may now return to your regularly scheduled Makoto bashing
So you won't trust national census data either? The stats are from major distributors of "stuff", not census level but pretty representative. This forum isn't really the place for such discussion so just take it with the usual "Lies, damned lies and statistics" bucket of salt.

Either way this is indeed getting off on a tangent, let's just say that Makoto is your stereotypical guy with an eye for big boobs.
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Old 2007-08-11, 20:44   Link #64
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So you won't trust national census data either? The stats are from major distributors of "stuff", not census level but pretty representative. This forum isn't really the place for such discussion so just take it with the usual "Lies, damned lies and statistics" bucket of salt.

Either way this is indeed getting off on a tangent, let's just say that Makoto is your stereotypical guy with an eye for big boobs.
You just didn't get his point at all, did you? :S

As for Otome, even if he's not interested... Just the thought of Matoko with a personal harem... truly disturbing.
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Old 2007-08-11, 21:47   Link #65
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Not exactly accurate. He got tired of Koto before he started seeing Sekai as a love interest.

As for Otome, he doesn't look interested at all.
He didn't look all that interested in Sekai before the "training" began either. If Otome lets Makoto use her I don't see why he would hold himself back. He already cheats on one girl after all,why not cheat on another? Does cheating on your mistress count as cheating anyway?
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Old 2007-08-11, 22:06   Link #66
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Personally I think he should get together with Otome. She's a bitch. He's a bastard. Everyone's happy.
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Old 2007-08-11, 23:58   Link #67
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Personally I think he should get together with Otome. She's a bitch. He's a bastard. Everyone's happy.
Otome isn't a bitch, she do that to Katsura-san becouse she though Sekai was Makoto's girlfriend and Katsura-san was cheating with Makoto.

Makoto really have to finish this with Katsura-san, she's wanting do die. Sekai is depressed, but he's getting his sex so he don't mind how about Sekai and Kotonoha.
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Old 2007-08-12, 01:32   Link #68
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You just didn't get his point at all, did you? :S
At leats you got the point

(The point I was trying to make is that you can't prove anything based on a stereotype - and the ones being labelled under a stereotype, but don't fit that stereotype would be very offended)

As for Makoto and Otome ... I am not convinced yet that Makoto ONLY likes Sekai for her body and hence would cheat on her with Otome in an instant. He has said "suki" to Sekai at least twice by now, and admittedly the first time was a sweet moment (under the rain is kinda romantic).

I'm willing to give Makoto the benefit of the doubt till he completely dumps Sekai and starts having flings with other girls.

However I am sort of expecting a Kotonoha come-back, and can't wait to see how the writers pull it off
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Old 2007-08-12, 01:41   Link #69
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Otome isn't a bitch, she do that to Katsura-san becouse she though Sekai was Makoto's girlfriend and Katsura-san was cheating with Makoto.
Heh, actually, I know Makoto is a selfish clueless jerk, and I know Sekai is irresponsible etc etc... (where would be the drama, if those characters were perfect anyway?) but the only ones I hate right now are Otome and her gang.

Seriously, they're bullying Kotonoha just because of her personality (way before the Makoto thing), and the way the anime depicts them, it looks like they could use humiliation or violence on her, which is way worse than what Makoto is doing (at least, for now ).

@Aceywacey, I agree, up to this point, it seems Makoto truly care for Sekai (making breakfast for her, ignoring Kotonoha instead of using her too, etc). But I guess it won't last long
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Old 2007-08-12, 02:05   Link #70
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At leats you got the point

(The point I was trying to make is that you can't prove anything based on a stereotype - and the ones being labelled under a stereotype, but don't fit that stereotype would be very offended)

As for Makoto and Otome ... I am not convinced yet that Makoto ONLY likes Sekai for her body and hence would cheat on her with Otome in an instant. He has said "suki" to Sekai at least twice by now, and admittedly the first time was a sweet moment (under the rain is kinda romantic).

I'm willing to give Makoto the benefit of the doubt till he completely dumps Sekai and starts having flings with other girls.

However I am sort of expecting a Kotonoha come-back, and can't wait to see how the writers pull it off
Stereotype is when you are just making things up with nothing to back it up though, at least I got something solid.

I don't think Makoto going after Otome can end well, compared to the other 2 she has a gang of girls to back her up (Koto has no one, Sekai only have Setsuna who is only observing at this point) and I doubt they will stand by and just watch if Makoto try the same thing on Otome as he did Kotonoha.
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Old 2007-08-12, 02:27   Link #71
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omg...the last ep i saw.....damn...now there on the roof again and then they kiss and while his girlfriend is sticking up for herself and is starting to come out of her shell now this happon'es.....hes confused and is starting to like his friend more then his girlfriend cause she would do it with him..and his current girlfriend was going up in steps b4 that....now she see's them while she's on the train and noiw shes just seen them on the roof she says she likes him and his girlfriend heres it i wonder what she may do i hope she doesn't do something drastic...i mean she loves him and now he is cheating on her and now she gets the news hes cheating on her and i wonder how she is going to cope with it....i really cant w8 to see the next ep so much..i hope she really does try to take him back or something instead of running away and thinking its not real and denying it or something like that and ends up going into a depression or something and all that but i guess ill just have to w8 and see but damn.....i can barely w8...
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Old 2007-08-12, 04:58   Link #72
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Stereotype is when you are just making things up with nothing to back it up though, at least I got something solid.
Information based on specific audience is biased at best, and it is 100% stereotyping if you want to apply those results to every Japanese male out there (stereotyping on a national level at that). I don't think i need to explain why issuing a nation-wide stereotype based on porn industry sales is not solid in any way possibly imaginable, nor the fact that such claims can be considered as insulting. Coupled with fact that this thread is not the place for such 'discussion', i don't want to see this subject being discussed here any further.
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Old 2007-08-12, 10:51   Link #73
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if makoto went over to otome just like that then it would be his fate sealed...sekai would tag team with kotonoha to make sure that the slug never existed in the first place
on serious matters i cant see otome as an active rival given the current situations ~ not until makoto gets bored with sekai will he start to treat her like crap and theres always kotonoha to fall back onto (and looking at the length of the series for otome to become active it seems even more unlikely...)
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Old 2007-08-12, 11:14   Link #74
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I don't see Otome actually making a play for Makoto. I think they only introduced her motivations so it makes sense when she starts going after Kotonoha later.
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Right now, the only person I can feel any sympathy for in the show is Kotonoha. I really don't like Otome, at the moment I dislike Sekai, and Makoto's just a scumbag.
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Heh, actually, I know Makoto is a selfish clueless jerk, and I know Sekai is irresponsible etc etc... (where would be the drama, if those characters were perfect anyway?) but the only ones I hate right now are Otome and her gang.

Seriously, they're bullying Kotonoha just because of her personality (way before the Makoto thing), and the way the anime depicts them, it looks like they could use humiliation or violence on her, which is way worse than what Makoto is doing (at least, for now ).
I feel in the same way, they're bullying Kotonoha becouse of her personality, but I can't call her a bitch becouse of that. Plus, I think that type of thing make Kotonoha to be more stronger and don't leave they to do that. But anyways, I hate that type of person (Otome and her gang, I mean).
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Most people will probably disagree with me, but, right now, the way I see it is:

Setsuna - nice girl
Kotonoha - victim
Otome - bitch
Sekai - traitor
Makoto - dumbass, scumbag, jerk...

That's all.
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Most people will probably disagree with me, but, right now, the way I see it is:

Setsuna - nice girl
Kotonoha - victim
Otome - bitch
Sekai - traitor
Makoto - dumbass, scumbag, jerk...

That's all.
You summed it up well. Personally, I think Sekai is also a bitch and Kotonoha is the only innocent one. I kinda hope he and Otome get offed but Otome most likely will not. Oh well. I just think she's annoying. This is a discussion about Makoto however and i refuse to touch that topic with a 50 foot pole.
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Old 2007-08-12, 20:47   Link #79
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You summed it up well. Personally, I think Sekai is also a bitch and Kotonoha is the only innocent one. I kinda hope he and Otome get offed but Otome most likely will not. Oh well. I just think she's annoying. This is a discussion about Makoto however and i refuse to touch that topic with a 50 foot pole.
*Gives her a 51 foot pole made of fiberglass* if you beat him with this will you touch that subject then? :P
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Old 2007-08-12, 23:52   Link #80
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i think it was partly sekai's fault for giving in to makoto, but then she already liked him anyway, so she couldn't help it. MAKATO on the other hand, deserves to be castrated. he liked kotonoha, but when he realized he could go farther with sekai, he likes her instead, which makes me feel sorry for kotonoha because that just shows that makato doesn't like her for her, just for her body. also, he's totally selfish. he's probably the type that would abandon his wife and children when a hotter woman comes along.
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