World Of Warcraft Discussion Thread

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by Skane

Actually, I'm more interested in the Pet Battles.

Undercity Cockroach! I choose you!

Go Murky!

Actually I wonder what kind of abilities they'll give them.

[yezhanquan]

I wonder how dark Blizzard intends for MoP to be. They could very easily pit the residents of Pandaria against one another, or worse, a civil war among the Pandaren. A paradise lost, and something like this follows:

Chen: Your people ruined my home, "old friend". Will I ever be able to call you that again?
Rexxar: Words fail me, Chen. But, I will set things right.

Something like that.

[Flying Dagger]

Too many kids play WoW for it to get too dark.
Remember how in WC3 Arthas had to purge his own city to halt the spread of the plague?
I want something like that again!

I want players to stop being "the hero": freedom is not free. There are casualties of war. There is more to a war than just killing others. I want "the hero" to be used, deceived... allow "the hero" to make wrong decisions and live up to its consequences.

Ie: lets say blood elves are using illusions to infiltrate an alliance city. The city has no choice but to lock its gates: forbidding entry to even refugees.: because if the spies get into town the city will easily fall over to a trojan attack. The spies stirred up the refugees and formed a rebellion in an attempt to break the gates. The hero is forced to wipe out everyone outside the city: or else structural defense will weaken or the rebels will assist the horde in their assault.

No, there is no fancy magic eye this time that can spot the true nature of man. Who said war is pretty and romantic?

Someone has to break the chain of hatred.

[Ithekro]

THis will I guess be a break from the task of being the hero, since there will not (at least at first) be this one overriding evil bent on destroying Azeroth like in all the previous expansions. However we will be in an entirely new land that none of the current NPCs will have any idea what is going on. Even the Night Elves will not have a clue despite maybe knowing a of the Panderan from over 10,000 years ago. They would not know Pandaria. The Dragons might know, but they are about it.

The only link we have is Chen, and he might have been off the turtle island like any of the player Pandarens, so he might not have much direct knowlwdge either. So just like in questing in Vanilla, we can easily get tricked onto doing stuff for people. And outside our factions, the locals will have no clue who we are, or what we might have done (defeat world threats A-K). We don't even know if Deathwing spotted this place in his world breaking flights. We do know that the starting place for new Pandarens takes place at the time of Deathwing's end...supposedly the crashed airship on the Turtle Island is the one "we heroes" use in the last Raid against Deathwing.

We with all new races and enviroments, just about any plot threads can be pulled. Meanwhile back at home, we have the war likely raging now instead of in a limited conflict state it seems to be in CATA. So anything is bound to happen within the possibiliies of the game engine. Though as I speculate, they might be able to pull a lot off with phasing. Espacially since they revamped the world in CATA.

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

Too many kids play WoW for it to get too dark.
Remember how in WC3 Arthas had to purge his own city to halt the spread of the plague?
I want something like that again!

I want players to stop being "the hero": freedom is not free. There are casualties of war. There is more to a war than just killing others. I want "the hero" to be used, deceived... allow "the hero" to make wrong decisions and live up to its consequences.

Ie: lets say blood elves are using illusions to infiltrate an alliance city. The city has no choice but to lock its gates: forbidding entry to even refugees.: because if the spies get into town the city will easily fall over to a trojan attack. The spies stirred up the refugees and formed a rebellion in an attempt to break the gates. The hero is forced to wipe out everyone outside the city: or else structural defense will weaken or the rebels will assist the horde in their assault.

No, there is no fancy magic eye this time that can spot the true nature of man. Who said war is pretty and romantic?

Someone has to break the chain of hatred.

Er, if you have been paying attention to the quests, the players had been played for fools many times. By Magtha Grimtotem, for one. Look at Westfall and Stonetalon. Despite the players' efforts the places still look like bloody wastelands to me.

To me, The Culling wasn't wrong by any standards. It was Uther who showed the old trope of Lawful Stupid (To be far, the true nature of the Scourge was not known at the time). If anything, what the culling did was to alienate Arthas from his people. However, Arthas had a dark nature. After all, all his actions after banishing Nerzhul were his own. He wasn't controlled anymore; he just liked his powers and what they could do.

[Flying Dagger]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Er, if you have been paying attention to the quests, the players had been played for fools many times. By Magtha Grimtotem, for one. Look at Westfall and Stonetalon. Despite the players' efforts the places still look like bloody wastelands to me.

To me, The Culling wasn't wrong by any standards. It was Uther who showed the old trope of Lawful Stupid (To be far, the true nature of the Scourge was not known at the time). If anything, what the culling did was to alienate Arthas from his people. However, Arthas had a dark nature. After all, all his actions after banishing Nerzhul were his own. He wasn't controlled anymore; he just liked his powers and what they could do.

Haven't played the new horde quests so not too sure. Westfall is too mild in my eyes. Player still played the nice guy feeding people and in the end the hero was "betrayed" by Venessa. Want it to be uglier? Have a quest where you are trying to save a group of starving orphans. Have a quest where you kill off highway men and deliver their possessions to their families. Have a quest where you need to escort slaves from prisons to work on the abandoned farmlands and keep them working. How about reinforcing martial law and forcing farmers to get back to their farms?

Lets say shit hits the fan, the player might have to lead a force to purge the farms of westfall, but the hero can also secretly spare the women and children.

[Ithekro]

That's Westfall. They wanted to parody CSI there. Thousand (Islands) Needles is what he's talking about and it is a quest either Alliance or Horde can do. I've not done the quests in the Burning Steppes and the rest of the area around Blackrock Spire since CATA, but I recall there being a quest there from a black dragon that was tricking you into doing his dirty work. There have been several quests were you basically aid the villain, either letting them free or simply clearing out their rivals. You then need to finish them off in a dungeon afterwards, or as the last quest in the chain.

There are a lot of weird quests for the Forsaken if I recall that are pretty much evil.

And sometimes even our Raids are questionable as to what we are doing. Why we go after Illidan at all? Was there a point to taking out Gruel? Didn't half the stuff we did related to Ulduar just free Yogg Sarron? Isn't killing the Old Gods suppose to be a bad thing for the health of the planet? Isn't all this time travel to kill Deathwing going to bite us in the ass later on?

Probably.

[Skane]

Drakaru, from Grizzly Hills. The Black Dragon in Burning Steppes as mentioned. The pre-expansion quests where you aid the Royal Apothecary before WotLK, then on the Horde side, continuing to aid the Royal Apothecary from Howling Fjord to Dragonblight. Etc...

These are just from the top of my head. It's predominantly Horde-side because I'm only playing Horde, but I am pretty sure the Alliance have their's as well.

Cheers.

[Xacual]

After Cata, Forsaken starting zones are pretty much the best, Tirisfal -> Hillsbrad are my favorite new zones.

[Last Sinner]

The one in Duskwood where you gave the old crackpot the ingredients to ressurect some dead thing. The one where you helped a satyr in very early Teldrassil quests. The worgen cult people in Grizzly Hills.

That's all I can think of.

[Ithekro]

I'm hoping at some point we go back to Gilneas on the Alliance side of things. Cause unless you were a Worgen or Horde, the only thing you get related to the place at all on the Alliance side is Shadowfang Keep quests. Mr. Crowley still has some story left in him that the rest of the Alliance needs to see.

And on the Horde side of things...the Goblins....that bastard Trade Prince is still alive someplace (yet not in the game anywhere after the starting zone), yet we have Boss Mida (Her Tallness) in Orgimmar, and I know plenty of people that would follow her banner for Trade Prince any day of the week were it offered.

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

Haven't played the new horde quests so not too sure. Westfall is too mild in my eyes. Player still played the nice guy feeding people and in the end the hero was "betrayed" by Venessa. Want it to be uglier? Have a quest where you are trying to save a group of starving orphans. Have a quest where you kill off highway men and deliver their possessions to their families. Have a quest where you need to escort slaves from prisons to work on the abandoned farmlands and keep them working. How about reinforcing martial law and forcing farmers to get back to their farms?

Lets say shit hits the fan, the player might have to lead a force to purge the farms of westfall, but the hero can also secretly spare the women and children.

Varian had already done most of the damage there as far as I'm concerned. The people of Westfall are cursing his name, and there he was, throwing resources into fighting the Horde, even at the gates of freaking Icecrown.

[Ithekro]

Pretty much anything dealing directly with the Church of Light may be questionable now.

Stranglethorn has you helping the trolls indirectly regaining power and then trying to fix the problem only to get into even more trouble.

Then were is the actual war stuff going on in the South Barrens and Stonetalon Mountains which could be questioned. Assassination of a commanding officer. Possible attacking civilians. Bombing nuetral areas openly. Killing allies as cover ups.

Sometimes revenge that goes too far happens in quests. Or you end up having to kill the quest giver or something like that afterwards. We might be be going completely dark and twisted (on the Alliance side of thing anyway) but it isn't rainbows and kittens (usually...there is a rainbow in Felwood and kittens someplace), and the Horde stuff is generally darker to start with. Especially anything to do with the Forsaken. The Dark Lady isn't playing around anymore.

[yezhanquan]

On the Dark Lady: We should have a quest chain called the "Sisters Windrunner".

[Ithekro]

When we get the third sister back (or would that be the first sister?) then we will probably get to that. She was the one the other two respected the most. Sylvanas even wrote the inscription on her sister's statue that is in Stormwind.

[Ithekro]

Hellooooo Anime Naga!

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[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Hellooooo Anime Naga!

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Now all she needs is a Nurse outfit.


......... if you don't get the reference, GET OUT!

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Hellooooo Anime Naga!

I really expected Naga to become a playable race eventually back when the game came out, too bad it's pretty much impossible by now.

[Ithekro]

Well there is possibly another expansion after MoP.

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Well there is possibly another expansion after MoP.

Unless Azshara mysteriously dies or something, she has the naga way to firmly under wraps to let them get out of her control. I mean always a chance we might fight her in MoP, I've been waiting to see her in WoW forever. Not to mention the other Old God that's overlooking her as well.