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View Poll Results: Do you like Ichimaru Gin?
Yes! 331 68.11%
No! 65 13.37%
Don't hate him, nor do I like him. I've issues. What now? 90 18.52%
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Old 2008-09-10, 11:10   Link #161
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^^ Holy crap batman! That pic is phenomenal!
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Old 2008-09-10, 15:52   Link #162
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whats not to like about Gin? hes one of the cooler bad guys for sure
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Old 2008-09-10, 16:35   Link #163
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Gin is an awesome character. I love his style.
I don't mind the anime making him out as this scarecrow figure, to me Gin is just born into attitude.

Damn stupid poll, why is it comepletly backwards to the title.
I was thinking of the question asked if I hated him (like the title suggests) lol.
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Old 2008-09-11, 01:11   Link #164
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I like him as a murdering sadist. Why do people insist on trying to redeem him?
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Old 2008-09-11, 03:21   Link #165
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Because he deserves redemption

(Almost as much as Ichigo deserves to get laid. IMO anyway...)
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Old 2008-09-11, 03:43   Link #166
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No he deserves to stay bad! He's good at being bad (If there is such a thing) I think Ulq and Grim are redeemable. Gin isn't and I like him that way. You saw the past!!! There is no changing him...
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Old 2008-09-11, 14:07   Link #167
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No he deserves to stay bad! He's good at being bad (If there is such a thing) I think Ulq and Grim are redeemable. Gin isn't and I like him that way. You saw the past!!! There is no changing him...
Ulq redeemable? Heck no! Out of all the characters he is the LEAST redeemable because he's used cold hard logic to justify all of his actions. He has no heart, no emotions, therefore he has nothing to redeem!

Gin on the other hand - definitely redeemable as a character. I think once all is revealed it will be shown that he actually isn't a baddie, so to speak.

And yes, I did see the past.
Spoiler for Flashback series:


But to suggest that Aizen's manipulation is purely what drives Gin's actions is to give the guy too much credit. He is a genius after all. Out of all the people with him I think Gin is the most dangerous to Aizen's goals. His loyalty is first and foremost to himself and what is important to him (Matsumoto). We still don't know why he stays with Aizen but I'm sure that will be revealed eventually. I would even go so far as to venture that he has ZERO loyalty to Aizen or his cause.

Just look at the scene on Sougoku Hill when SS caught them before they left. Gin didn't stop Ichigo from attacking/interfering and brushed it off with some easy comment about how he didn't see him coming (my ass he didn't).

Spoiler for Scene - Spoiler for space:


Later when they were caught and he was caught by Matsumoto he simply throws up his hands and goes "oops, we're caught." Judging by Aizen's reaction he didn't expect Gin to allow himself to get caught.

Spoiler for Spoiler for Space:


Besides that, if he's as sadistic and heartless as you say why would he bother apologizing to her at all? Wouldn't he be relishing in her pain? Wouldn't he be excited about leaving? Instead he's saying that he wishes she could've held him longer and apologizes for everything he's done to her. Sounds like a redeemable character to me.

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Whew, and I'm done.
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Old 2008-09-11, 15:19   Link #168
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Well Grim is not reedeemable cause he is dead...and I think Ulq will be joining him soon...as far as Gin...as Yamamoto would say...He is a traitor and must be executed...now on with the show.
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Old 2008-09-11, 15:22   Link #169
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I'm willing to bet hard currency Grim isn't dead (yet).

Re Gin: I never denied he was a traitor to SS. By SS's laws he will have to be executed. But who says SS is the correct authority anyway? Hasn't Kubo shown us over and over again throughout the series how antiquarian and arbitrary their laws are? Just look at the second movie - great example right there. SS may be the governing authority but that doesn't necessarily mean they are the good guys.
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Old 2008-09-11, 16:04   Link #170
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So are you theorizing that Aizen and Gin are the real good guys?

We can all make a case for every criminal ever to exist...oh he had a bad childhood, he/she was abused,he/she didn't get enough hugs. Everyone has a story. Everyone has a choice...I choose to side with Soul Society and the rules. Gin is evil.

And if you are willing to bet hard currency about Grim not being dead, then you must know something perhaps from the manga? Cause according to the anime he got pwnd and killed. Though I did theorize a while back that Grim might have survived because of the so called resurrection form he was fighting in...however I had people quickly dismiss my theory and say I was wrong...
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Old 2008-09-11, 21:45   Link #171
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I'm not going to enlist spoilers or anything like that, just trust me when I say he isn't dead.

It's very much like comic book law - the bad guy isn't actually dead until you see his body in the ground.
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Old 2008-09-11, 23:29   Link #172
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Interesting...a spoiler without an actual spoiler
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Old 2008-09-12, 01:12   Link #173
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I always pictured Gin as a homicidal sadistic trickster the chances for redemption are pretty slim .

Spoiler for MANGA:
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Old 2008-09-12, 01:43   Link #174
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I always pictured Gin as a homicidal sadistic trickster the chances for redemption are pretty slim .

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Meh - I already covered that. Read my post above. Children are easily manipulated.
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Old 2008-09-12, 12:20   Link #177
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I always pictured Gin as a homicidal sadistic trickster the chances for redemption are pretty slim .

Spoiler for MANGA:
Damn the cookie Nazi says no!



He's not a redeemable character. I don't see why anyone would want him to be

He's good at being bad. He is what he is. A " homicidal sadistic trickster "

I think people are projecting their wants onto him and turning them into characteristics he doesn't posses.

@Langus..his lack of understanding makes him a SOCIOPATH as well as a " homicidal sadistic trickster " Your post scared the hell out me! Gin scares me. To me it just proves. He's rotten to the core and beyond redemption. Sociopaths reason the same way he did in your post above.
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:59   Link #178
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*sigh* Nevermind. Gin is what he is. I look forward to the day when Kubo redeems him, even if it's only partially.
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*sigh* Nevermind. Gin is what he is. I look forward to the day when Kubo redeems him, even if it's only partially.
Oh why?! I wanted to discuss it. Don't do the *wanders off* thing just yet...
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Old 2008-09-13, 12:29   Link #180
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Oh why?! I wanted to discuss it. Don't do the *wanders off* thing just yet...
Hahaha sorry I was having a very apathetic kind of day. Alrighty if you want to discuss Gin I'm all for it.

Spoiler for Just one big fucking spoiler really:


For me he's one of the most interesting characters I've ever come across, and that's not limited to the Bleach series alone. The only other one who holds remotely this much interest for me is Kakashi from Naruto but he's a bad ass ninja no one can hold a match to anyway.

So I think that gives you enough to go on right? Look forward to your response

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