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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 2 Rating
Perfect 10 22 17.05%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 42 32.56%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 42 32.56%
7 out of 10 : Good 14 10.85%
6 out of 10 : Average 6 4.65%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.78%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.78%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 0.78%
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Old 2007-10-16, 18:23   Link #121
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I guess so... this would be a first though... keep in mind that tenmoku ikko was a HUMAN (as is the norm) who was in samurai armor XD He just sorta went crazy/got super strong over time (if he wasn't already).
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Old 2007-10-16, 18:30   Link #122
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I guess so... this would be a first though... keep in mind that tenmoku ikko was a HUMAN (as is the norm) who was in samurai armor XD He just sorta went crazy/got super strong over time (if he wasn't already).
If you train hard enough, you, too, can be an immortal, soulless, battle-hungry samurai with a cool sword.
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Old 2007-10-16, 18:41   Link #123
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I guess so... this would be a first though... keep in mind that tenmoku ikko was a HUMAN (as is the norm) who was in samurai armor XD He just sorta went crazy/got super strong over time (if he wasn't already).
well, being the mystes of a sword that ignores all unrestricted methods certainly helped.

after all, most denizens are pretty worthless fighters without their 'magic', with crimson lord level villains like Bel Peol and Sydonay being more of an exception than a rule.
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Old 2007-10-16, 19:00   Link #124
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i love how this season started so fast...then again so did the 1st...so far im loving it...
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Old 2007-10-16, 19:24   Link #125
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well, being the mystes of a sword that ignores all unrestricted methods certainly helped.
What is the hougu contained inside of Tenmoku Ikko? Do you mean that the nietono no shana is the hougu?

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Was watching Shana-tan Returns, and got this image:
The personality of Fumina Konoe is quite similar to Hecate, but the hair colour of Fumina is slightly darker blue than Hecate's. Maybe the hair colour is not an important detail.
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Old 2007-10-16, 19:30   Link #126
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What is the hougu contained inside of Tenmoku Ikko? Do you mean that the nietono no shana is the hougu?
that's right, Tenmoku Ikko was the mystes of Nietono no Shana.

as we saw with fake mare, you don't need to have the hougu inside you to gain the benefits.
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Old 2007-10-16, 21:12   Link #127
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The Hougu is Mare's, not the Mystes'. That's what I understood at least. The Mystes could have had some other trivial treasure/hougu inside her, but what was most important to Mare was it's ability to move inside the Fuzetsus. Guze tend to have their own Hougus. This brings up another weird point... flying Mystes?
I dont think that Hougu belong to that mistes, because the hougu is like a part of it, if is extracted the mistess disappear.
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Old 2007-10-16, 22:33   Link #128
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I dont think that Hougu belong to that mistes, because the hougu is like a part of it, if is extracted the mistess disappear.
Not necessarily... Friagne used to lend his Hougu's to Marianne all the time! I know this is a trivial matter but plot discrepancies always bug me D:
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Old 2007-10-17, 00:32   Link #129
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The personality of Fumina Konoe is quite similar to Hecate, but the hair colour of Fumina is slightly darker blue than Hecate's. Maybe the hair colour is not an important detail.
Besides her profile and episode 3 preview summary, we don't really know how similar they act.

Just two more days......... The wait is painful, plus Wednesday only has Dragonaut for me...

The only reason I can think of right now to add Fumina to the show is to appeal to Hecate fans and show off what Hecate would look like if she wore various other clothing, with a reasonable reason for the display...

Two more, two more.....

The main website is a bully:

They only have two screenshots that are reletively pointless...

Spoiler for image:


Shana must be thinking: "Let's chop her" in the first pic...
Second reads "..............................." all over...

EDIT: Oh, and there is that mysterious man in the preview. Her butler?
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Old 2007-10-17, 03:01   Link #130
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Bit of a late reply, but in regards to Yoshida (or even his parents) being Yuji's connection to the human world is a load of tosh. It is just one more inconsistency in an otherwise excellent story. Why do I say this? Well do you recall how much angsting he had about leaving the city? The primary reason is because he cares about everyone in it and doesn't want to put them in danger as he is currently the worlds biggest bullseye.

Him wanting a relationship with a human never mind someone he cared about, makes as much sense as him running off after Yoshida in S1 when she found out he was a torch. Nice one Mr Story Writer, what happened to leaving his mum and countless other people in the festival to be eaten!

They had a great chance imho to make this story an epic, but currently are taking the easy way out and rehashing the same old relationship tosh. Hell they even warped the ending of S1 to accommodate this.
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Old 2007-10-17, 07:28   Link #131
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Not necessarily... Friagne used to lend his Hougu's to Marianne all the time! I know this is a trivial matter but plot discrepancies always bug me D:
As far as I know, not every hougu is associated with a torch. Besides, Marianne is just a rinne and Friagne is a tomogara.
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If you train hard enough, you, too, can be an immortal, soulless, battle-hungry samurai with a cool sword.
Well, according to the lore of Tsukihime,
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Or in short, yes. It'd just take a lifespan far longer than anything a human has to spare. I honestly don't think that the Flame hazes' superhuman stats only come from relying on the power of their "sponsors," though that's obviously a part of it.
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As far as I know, not every hougu is associated with a torch. Besides, Marianne is just a rinne and Friagne is a tomogara.
I think that every hougu is related with a mistes , or at least they are before somebody take them, a Tomogara for example. There's no other way to get a hougu.
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I think that every hougu is related with a mistes , or at least they are before somebody take them, a Tomogara for example. There's no other way to get a hougu.
Hougu are made from power of existence. it's not like any of them start out in a torch, a Crimson denizen/lord has to make them first.

so no, not all Hougu have a torch/mystes associated with them.
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Hougu are made from power of existence. it's not like any of them start out in a torch, a Crimson denizen/lord has to make them first.

so no, not all Hougu have a torch/mystes associated with them.
if that's the case, then why the hougus made by a tomogara go to a torch?
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Mystes are like treasure chests, someone has to fill the chest i think...
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Old 2007-10-17, 15:43   Link #137
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if that's the case, then why the hougus made by a tomogara go to a torch?
denizens don't tend to keep all their hougu on their person. like shana they have dimensional pockets.

and when a flame haze kills a denizen, the dimensional pocket disappears (like a rinne, it now lacks a backing existance to keep it 'alive') and the items have to go somewhere. Since torches have such a tenuous connection to reality, they're probably the next best place for the items to go. that's of course assuming the items aren't on the denizen when they're killed, or that the items get destroyed during a fight (like what happened with the twins or Frigane)
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Mystes are like treasure chests, someone has to fill the chest i think...
Yeah, Mystes are Torch with a Hougu inside them, as explained in S1.

How a Hougu gets into it? Well, it's creator got killed, lost it or was stolen.
After some time alone, the Hougu probably warps into a Torch...could be something of function all Hougu have

When the Torch burns out, it moves to another one at random.


And about Tenmoku Ikkou, I don't recall seeing his flame...I better rewatch that episode first
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Old 2007-10-17, 16:44   Link #139
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Look into his eyes
Errr....that's just a characteristic he had, his name even means "Single Celestial Eye"

It has nothing to do with his remaining power of existance (I think).

Spoiler for Reiji Maigo:

Again, just a theory, don't know what the novel says about that


Okay, moving onto this week's episode...
There wasn't much discussion about the guy that showed up in ep 2's preview.

He doesn't look like a Flame Haze to me, so...he's most likely a Tomogara
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