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Old 2007-10-15, 02:33   Link #61
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I actually expect shinn to die because to a character with that much darkside in him, death is the only way towards redemption. But noooo, that bastard lives! and did a 180.
Meh, he was just angsty. He wasn't really evil, a la Rau Le Creuset. In fact, that's one of the things about SEED. There's really not that many plain evil characters. Most of them have some sort of ulterior motive or drive that makes them do questionable things, but weren't quite evil. Rey, for example, was greatly flawed because he really had no mind of his own--he took orders and that was about it. While that's usually a hallmark of multi-dimensional character design, in this case, it was just poorly thought out. There was no uber bad guy in Destiny. The epic encounter we got in SEED just wasn't in Destiny. Rey turned out to be a pussy! And Shinn... yeesh.

In the end, he was just another misguided youth. Join the Gundam misguided youth club.
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Old 2007-10-15, 02:48   Link #62
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It's got to be both. The technology and weaponary must be developed and explained properly in order for them to make sense to and become familiar to the audience, and the characters have to be developed so the audience can form a bond with them. Perhaps finding the balance between the two is the hardest part of doing a good mecha series.
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Old 2007-10-15, 02:48   Link #63
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Meh, he was just angsty. He wasn't really evil, a la Rau Le Creuset. In fact, that's one of the things about SEED. There's really not that many plain evil characters. Most of them have some sort of ulterior motive or drive that makes them do questionable things, but weren't quite evil. Rey, for example, was greatly flawed because he really had no mind of his own--he took orders and that was about it. While that's usually a hallmark of multi-dimensional character design, in this case, it was just poorly thought out. There was no uber bad guy in Destiny. The epic encounter we got in SEED just wasn't in Destiny. Rey turned out to be a pussy! And Shinn... yeesh.

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Heh, that's another way to look at it. I looked at it the jedi way since Shinn's transition to darkside is very similar to anikins. But I guess you can't compare fukata to lucas.
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Old 2007-10-15, 03:10   Link #64
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He's actually worse!

Shinn wasn't very angsty, just... angry.

And the victim of godawful writing for him, Athrun and Jesus.

However, this thread is about 00. I think we all agree that we don't want 00 to turn out like Destiny, regardless of how we feel about Destiny.
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Old 2007-10-15, 03:13   Link #65
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lol back to plot development
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Old 2007-10-15, 03:21   Link #66
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Tak what you'd get is an emotional response!
Like a sudden urge to kill FATkuda during a certain point in SEED & DESTINY?

When he messed up Cagali... ugh...

Right, but I agree we should get back to 00, and hope it does not turn into another bad version of DESTINY, or WING for that matter...

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Old 2007-10-15, 03:23   Link #67
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Like a sudden urge to kill FATkuda during a certain point in SEED & DESTINY?

When he messed up Cagali... ugh...

Right, but I agree we should get back to 00, and hope it does not turn into another bad version of DESTINY, or WING for that matter...

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To kill fukata is an understatement lol.
By the look of it right now, there's little chance of it being like destiny. For wing, as long as virtue doesn't go beam spamming( looks like it can't) I think it will be fine.
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Old 2007-10-15, 03:46   Link #68
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For wing, as long as virtue doesn't go beam spamming( looks like it can't) I think it will be fine.
Kira couldn't go beam-spamming with Strike Gundam too, until he got a hold of FREEDOM. As with every Gundam franchise, there is always an uber upgrade somewhere near the latter half of the show. I'd keep my sweaty fingers crossed

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Old 2007-10-15, 04:09   Link #69
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I just want to see Kira die. He's lived for too long, more than he needs to.
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Old 2007-10-15, 04:45   Link #70
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I just want to see Kira die. He's lived for too long, more than he needs to.
Yeah thats one of the reasons i was going for Shinn.. to fullfill that purpose... But oh well... hopefully seed and destiny fans will come into the light with 00 thats not all about emo characters and aimbots....

Atm with 00, everything is going the right direction to my liking.
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Old 2007-10-15, 05:35   Link #71
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i prefer no relationships like FMP....

i want more information talk on mecha hardware, pilots skills, politics and stuff...non of this relationship BS that goes on and off, like soap operas...
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Old 2007-10-15, 05:48   Link #72
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There could be relationships, but only as a part of the story (if it could be the driving point to the hero's growth as a character, etc.) - not because the show simply must have a couple...>.>;;
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Old 2007-10-15, 06:22   Link #73
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Well.. Looking at how the story is progressing, I guess this would what I would probably 'expect' the show's plotline to follow.

a) Setsuna (who sorta reminds me of shinn at this point of time) sorta becomes the tool for Celestial Being (CeB) and furthers their agenda. lotsa fighting ensures.

b) Setsuna furthers the agenda of CeB and then somehow finds his 'Lucas' and sees the light (or something towards that extent) and then finally turns his back on CeB, gets a new gundam and ends up fighting the former pilots of CeB.

Those probably sound, or are, rather cliche, but let's hope they'll surprise us! XD

I'd also really like to see if the current big 4 Gundams get upgraded and how they'll be further upgraded. That light particle emmitting engine really reminds me to Vikkutori Tsuu, wonder if they'll play around with that idea too.

Cheers!
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Old 2007-10-15, 06:49   Link #74
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I prefer a balance between character development and mecha, although I seriously hope that not all characters in the series have this some sort of dark traumatic past that they are trying to atone or take revenge for and whatnot.
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Old 2007-10-15, 09:39   Link #75
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A balance for me too with a twist of a plot if possible......
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Old 2007-10-15, 09:40   Link #76
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I'm hoping that there won't be too much singing in 00 a la Macross.

You know, to bring peace Wang Liu Mei starts singing with everything blowing up around her.

Then Marina enters from right stage and joins her in a POP emo duet.

It'd be like Lemon Angel Project all over again. but with giant robots.



Seriously, though, I actually enjoyed the singing aspect in the original SEED which kind of went away in Destiny.

Although I must admit that Minmei in SDF Macross and Sara in Macross Zero (their singing) annoyed the snot out of me.

I'm not expecting singing as being a major aspect of the storyline, but I wouldn't mind it if it was done well and if the songs don't suck.



You guys want a singing aspect in Gundam 00?
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Old 2007-10-15, 09:59   Link #77
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You guys want a singing aspect in Gundam 00?
Hell no!!!
Except the OP and ED.
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Old 2007-10-15, 10:24   Link #78
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Concerning Marina being 24 and Setsuna being 16.....

Didn't Char have a lot of love interests that were much younger than himself?

I seem to remember that pedophilia was quite common in CCA Gundam.

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Old 2007-10-15, 10:56   Link #79
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i just want warfare, no time for romance when you re at war.
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Old 2007-10-15, 11:01   Link #80
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i just want warfare, no time for romance when you re at war.
I think if gundam has taught us anything, its that there's always time for romance when you're at war. 0_o
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