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Old 2008-03-28, 13:25   Link #81
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Really I Need To See The Manga .. >.<
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Surprising, eh?
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Old 2008-03-28, 13:43   Link #82
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Old 2008-03-28, 15:27   Link #83
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Old 2008-03-28, 22:04   Link #84
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^Well ..Thanks For The Info.. I Guess I'll See The Manga Then ^.^"
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Old 2008-03-29, 06:45   Link #85
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Spoiler for some manga spoiler?:

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Old 2008-03-29, 13:15   Link #86
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Yeah its weird how their powers have just gone up, especially Tousen's .
He was getting tossed around by Kenpachi is the SS arc.
Its hard to see how he's more powerful than the espada
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Old 2008-03-29, 14:29   Link #87
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Old 2008-03-29, 22:59   Link #88
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could someone be so kind and make sure which translation is the right one?

Spoiler for just for saving space, this is no manga spoiler :):
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Old 2008-03-30, 03:26   Link #89
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The anime team may have made some creative changes.
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Old 2008-03-30, 15:58   Link #90
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could someone be so kind and make sure which translation is the right one?

Spoiler for just for saving space, this is no manga spoiler :):
The anime is correct. I am no expert but I watch enough of it. That I fully understand raws....She said she hated both of em. I always assumed it was because she is rejected by both of em...
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Old 2008-03-30, 16:04   Link #91
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But that translation doesn't make sense in the manga context. I mean, think about it:

1) Hiyori says "I hate humans and shinigami".

2) Shinji says "Don't worry, that'll change soon".

That just seems........awkward :S. It's also possible that both translations are correct. That in the manga, she said humans hate her, and in the anime she says she hates humans.

OD solved one-half of the problem by verifiying the anime translation. But to be sure, it would be awesome if some wonderful soul could check the raw manga translation too. No guarantee they'll agree.
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Old 2008-03-30, 16:51   Link #92
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the group that translated that page is known for takeing quite a few liberties with thier translation.
the 2 other sacnlations i've read and Viz's version all agree with fansubbed anime the translation
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Old 2008-04-01, 08:43   Link #93
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Well, I wonder why humans hate vizards/vizards hate humans. Normal humans (Tatsuki, the term does NOT refer to you) should not be able to see their other side.
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Old 2008-04-01, 23:41   Link #94
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Well, I wonder why humans hate vizards/vizards hate humans. Normal humans (Tatsuki, the term does NOT refer to you) should not be able to see their other side.
Could be talking about the normal souls in Rukongai. I mean, they're not shinigami and they make up 90% of the population of Soul Society.
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Old 2008-04-02, 01:14   Link #95
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I could be wrong, but one possible reason why Vizards hate humans is because there are other humans who're capable of seeing Hollows and other souls of dead people. I highly doubt the people of Karakura, the ones we know at least, are the only people out of roughly six billion people in the entire world that are spiritually aware. One example is Don Kanonji. As stupid as he is, I doubt he's originally from Karakura, but he certainly is capable of seeing Hollows. The Vaizards might be aware that there are other humans besides those of Karakura able to see them, other humans who are powerful enough and capable of torturing Hollows for their own amusement. Humans that are capable of being far more monstruous than the monsters who prey on them.

This could partly be the reason why Vaizards hate the Shinigami as well. They preach about how defenseless the humans are against the Hollows and yet, humans themselves can be held responsible for similar atrocities. Some other reasons why Vaizards hate Shinigami could be because of Soul Society's own hypocrisy. To me, it seems obvious that the source of conflict between Shinigami and Hollows is humanity itself. Shinigami aim to protect humanity whereas Hollows seems bent on destroying it, but is that truly the case, I wonder?

Needless to say that Shinigami are, however indirectly, derived from humans. Shinigami use the soul burial to send human souls to SS. From there, humans live, create families and perchance have children who will grow up in SS. Take note that Shinigami speak of humans as though they were below them. There is no Shinigami that was in fact originally human, with one possible exception being Rukia and obviously Ichigo. That leads me to think these Shinigami were souls actually born in SS and are thus more naturally attuned to their Spirit energy because they are the offspring of spirits rather than beings of flesh and bone. But it is still true that further down their line of ancestry, they were once human.

So we can conclude Shinigami need humans to recruit people to their side. So are they actually correct in saying Hollows prey on Humans? After all, Hollows also derive from Human souls. Their chain of fate eventually deteriorates to the point where nothing but a whole is left in their chest and thus become Hollows. Hollows need humans just as much as Shinigami do, and for the same exact reasons: recruitment. Therefore, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo are both viable destinations for human souls.

Additionally, among the very Shinigami who preach about protecting humans from the destructive wrath of Hollows are those who are just as guilty of commiting despicable acts against humans. Take Mayuri, for example. He even admits to having killed and tortured hundreds of humans for his experiments, namely the Quincy. Renji and Byakuya are also just as guilty as they were ready to kill Ichigo, a living human being, for violating the rules of Soul Society. Throughout the entire SS arc, we saw Shinigami fight humans such as Ishida, Orihime and Sado with the intention of killing them. What was that about protecting humans?

All in all, the reason Vaizards hate Shinigami could be because of this very hypocrisy on their part, in addition to their propaganda of a human's defenselessness.
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Old 2008-04-02, 06:46   Link #96
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Where does it say that Shunsui's Vice is Lisa ?
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Old 2008-04-02, 07:01   Link #97
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Old 2008-04-03, 02:31   Link #98
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So there's no actual proof that that is her though ? It just "looks" like her. I mean all the other characters had the little box thing saying their full name and rank.
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Old 2008-10-26, 19:10   Link #100
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I've got a feeling that Espada > Vizards, but I dunno.
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