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View Poll Results: Myself; Yourself - Episode 8 Rating
Perfect 10 60 53.57%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 34 30.36%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 11 9.82%
7 out of 10 : Good 4 3.57%
6 out of 10 : Average 2 1.79%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.89%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2007-11-22, 19:00   Link #81
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Wow. So much angst and so much explained. But there is hope. Unlike most other animes in this genre, Sana truly has eyes only for Nanaka, but is also a considerate person and is willing to help anyone in need. I can see more misunderstandings with Hosino, but i think they'll work thorugh it together quickly seeing how bi-polar Nanaka is. Hopefully everything will calm down soon. Next ep looks like a comedy relief eq which is good.

Also we still haven't seen/heard Sana's parents voice yet so the whole "hes crazy talking to no one" theory is still possible

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Old 2007-11-22, 19:05   Link #82
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Kudos to Sana for his honourable actions. It seems like he's a male lead that actually takes action to rectify his mistakes rather then hoping it will go away if you stare at it long enough.
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Old 2007-11-22, 19:25   Link #83
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Kudos to Sana for his honourable actions. It seems like he's a male lead that actually takes action to rectify his mistakes rather then hoping it will go away if you stare at it long enough.
And has the guts to confront people. Even go as far as yelling to get his point across.
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Old 2007-11-22, 20:22   Link #84
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Sana truly has eyes only for Nanaka, but is also a considerate person and is willing to help anyone in need.
Not really.
Despite the hugging, it hasn't evolved to "romance" level yet.
From the way I see it so far, it's more of him wanting to protect her, like in the old days.
Like a good friend type of protection, not "love" type of protection.
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Old 2007-11-22, 20:57   Link #85
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Whilst you are right in saying that there have been no real signs of romance Nanaka and Sana, I do think that things can be interpreted as romantic gestures like:

Sana giving the bracelet to Nanaka
Sana creating the secret for only the two of them
Sana's kick arse variation of the exchange diary

Ofc they are actions of young Sana and old Sana could be just a dumb nice harem guy, but I think this show is a little too intelligent for that. But you are right, it is hard to find any thing in current Sana that shouts out he wuvs her.

For Nanaka, her jealousy and need for Sana during the Bad Times(TM) add up in my mind as her wanting/expecting a relationship that is more then a friend.

@holyman282 - Totally agree with your there. This show surprises me in so many ways with its little touches such as caring parents, or a guy who phones up a potential runaways mum.
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Old 2007-11-22, 21:05   Link #86
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I just started watching this series yesterday and am now finally up to date. I didn't really know what to expect with this anime since I got tired waiting for Clannad and wanted to pick up a series that didn't have too many episodes. Watching this series has been such a joy and I can't get enough of it especially what just took place in the last episode. I mean the whole mailbox memory was just so touching and endearing. Also, the background music towards the end was executed so perfectly that it gripped my heart when Sana confronted Nanaka.

Now all that's left is the history behind Sana's past that involves the watch. His past could be as traumatizing as Nanaka's, and I have a hunch that he didn't adjust well into his new environment causing him to slash his wrist. Anyways, I can't wait for the next episode and my only regret is that this series is only 13 episodes long! That's way too short.....wah.
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Old 2007-11-22, 21:10   Link #87
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Yeah one heck of an episode. Lot of things happened here and finally got to see what happened with Nanaka. Agree there was a lot of emotion in this one and definitely an excellent one.

Think Shuu has a lot of problems in terms of not being able to do anything. Wasn't able to do anything in Nanaka's situation and doesn't seem to have the answer for Shuri's situation either.

Still some things to be solved before all is said and done. What exactly happened to Sana, we have plenty of speculation. Of course we should still have the crazy old lady getting involved before all is said and done.
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Old 2007-11-22, 21:14   Link #88
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Not really.
Despite the hugging, it hasn't evolved to "romance" level yet.
From the way I see it so far, it's more of him wanting to protect her, like in the old days.
Like a good friend type of protection, not "love" type of protection.
While I agree with what you said. There was one small detail at the end that sways me to say there is romance even the start of it. Is when they are hugging he is saying; "We'll always be together from now on... No matter what happens... we'll always be together forever."

Now take it as you will, but you never say anything that strong for just a friend. No matter how good they are. He must feel something for her because of his train of thought.
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Old 2007-11-22, 22:18   Link #89
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I think that Sana's friends have treated him appallingly... what has their feeling of inadequacy got to do with Sana knowing the truth? I fail to see the connection! They are obviously guilty, but that has got nothing to do with Sana knowing what happened...
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Old 2007-11-22, 22:22   Link #90
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While I agree with what you said. There was one small detail at the end that sways me to say there is romance even the start of it. Is when they are hugging he is saying; "We'll always be together from now on... No matter what happens... we'll always be together forever."

Now take it as you will, but you never say anything that strong for just a friend. No matter how good they are. He must feel something for her because of his train of thought.
I'd believe there is a romance if the previous episodes really spent more time on these two.
ep. 1 - Intro/Interaction=slapped -_-
ep. 2 - Interaction=Trying to get her to actually care about him
ep. 3 - Interaction=Cookie/Buys her a hand mirror out of guilt
ep. 4 - Hinako episode
ep. 5 - Hug, which he later clearly states as an accident (with no meaning to it)
ep. 6 - More Hinako -_-
ep. 7 - ...... More Asami interaction than anything...
ep. 8 (prior to scene) - Shouting and revelations

Because of the way Nanaka was struggling, it looked more like he was trying to restrain her and keep her from running away and actually listen to him. (which worked)

Of course, because of the way it looks with Asami, he has a 99% chance that he will end up with Nanaka, with 5 episodes left for relationship building.

Oh, and the old lady plot...

Of course, they could end it with no real romances, though that'd be a shame.
Like a finale where Nanaka is captured by the evil old lady and Sana saves her, THE END. -_- (I hope not)
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Old 2007-11-22, 22:58   Link #91
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Omg 4x post between my last post and this one which I haven't read so far.

Thoughts after seeing episode 8 -

Sometimes very high expectations can water down everything (7/10 from me if I could change my vote). Sana is still the most amusing character in this show (for me) and he still has to realize... . Nanaka acted very maturely and only ended up screaming possibly because the incident that traumatized her happened when she was 13.

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And Shuu's little speech confirms my beliefs
For me only Syuri's perspective matters since she was the only one who was trying to manipulate events according to her will.

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Only if you ignore how there is a whole box full of what looks like really distraught letters.
Can you really help peoples who don't want to be helped (unless you are thinking of a bit more painful way such as rehab...)? If you analyse Nanaka's personality deeply you will find that Nanaka isn't the type of person that would cry for help (from the world) even though she is in pain nor would she accept any help if anyone tried to help her. She also happens to be modest person that wouldn't ask for anything from her current guardian. Only those peoples that have left a distinct & deep impression on her, can really help her. Her personality is realistic but a rarity in the real world.

Also remember that 3 years had passed between Nanaka's incident and Sana's arrival. By the time Sana arrived things had already developed a lot. Nanaka had closed her real feelings and didn't want anyones pity including Sana's. She wanted to be helped (by the one closest to her) without asking for help. Even though she was just concealing her pain, she really wanted to forget her painful past. As KSJ said earlier, Humans are complex.

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People are too forgiving of the friends when there has been no evidence that they helped in anyway. Actually in my mind they haven't helped at all and did worse from their actions on Sana's return.
I can't possibly change your views so I will give up and accept that they haven't helped at all. But if Syuri was really trying to manipulate everything then she did try to help. Only those closest to Nanaka's heart could help her. Even if Syuri had made attempts before Sana came back they would have failed.

Have you ever considered, how everything would have progressed if Asami hadn't met Sana? It would be something close to Nanaka's ideal scenario (provided that Sana only showed interest in her.) If Syuri was trying to help Nanaka without causing both of them pain (again) then I would respect her decision but not condone her actions.

She was really young to attempt something like that and even the oldest know that manipulating human emotion could lead to very dangeous results. She is Nanaka's friend not her psychiatrist/psychotherapist to attempt something that could have harmed everyone involved. Syuri still has to realise that humans and their emotions are complex and progression of events involving them are always filled with uncertainties leading to uncountable, unfavourable outcomes which are sometimes unavoidable.
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Old 2007-11-22, 23:12   Link #92
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I can't possibly change your views so I will give up and accept that they haven't helped at all. But if Syuri was really trying to manipulate everything then she did try to help. Only those closest to Nanaka's heart could help her. Even if Syuri had made attempts before Sana came back they would have failed.
Just like to clear one thing up and that my beliefs are based on what I have currently seen in the show, so if they offer up some background on how they helped then I would take back what I said about them.

Good points on Syuri, I didn't give her credit there, but I do think by not telling Sana what happened and forcing them to be together is a wee bit dangerous.
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Old 2007-11-22, 23:50   Link #93
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Sana is still the most amusing character in this show (for me) and he still has to realize... . Nanaka acted very maturely and only ended up screaming possibly because the incident that traumatized her happened when she was 13.
Are you talking about the shouting in the middle of the episode where they scream at each other that they changed?

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Can you really help peoples who don't want to be helped (unless you are thinking of a bit more painful way such as rehab...)? If you analyse Nanaka's personality deeply you will find that Nanaka isn't the type of person that would cry for help (from the world) even though she is in pain nor would she accept any help if anyone tried to help her. She also happens to be modest person that wouldn't ask for anything from her current guardian. Only those peoples that have left a distinct & deep impression on her, can really help her. Her personality is realistic but a rarity in the real world.
But you can try.

As for Nanaka's personality, the personality you described is the one she adopted after the arson incident and recovery.
Before the arson, she was quite different and seemed like the type opposite of what you said.

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Have you ever considered, how everything would have progressed if Asami hadn't met Sana? It would be something close to Nanaka's ideal scenario (provided that Sana only showed interest in her.)
So Asami's the true villain?

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Old 2007-11-23, 02:01   Link #94
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More truth are reveal on this episode, those letter inside the mail box I was quite SHOCK(so many and that letter/paper written "help me"), when Nanaka crying that part was so emotional. At that time Sana look at his watch and somehow remind something terible within this 5 years, hope to see more on Sana past. This crying should be get closer for both of them.
Next episode Hinako appear again, next episdoe should be more relax episdoe...
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So the plot thickens...
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Judging from the preview, we're getting another Hinako episode. As much as I like teh loli, I am beginning to wonder about it...
Ah well, continue to pander it to us, Japan, and we'll keep buying into it.

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Old 2007-11-23, 03:03   Link #96
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Judging from the preview, we're getting another Hinako episode. As much as I like teh loli, I am beginning to wonder about it...
Ah well, continue to pander it to us, Japan, and we'll keep buying into it.
Yeah, I'm wondering why this Nanaka person keeps interrupting the flow of the story. Episodes 4 and 6 were easily two of my favorite episodes of the series... hopefully Hinako will get more and more focus in the latter part of the show!

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Old 2007-11-23, 03:17   Link #97
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Yeah, I'm wondering why this Nanaka person keeps interrupting the flow of the show. Episodes 4 and 6 were easily two of my favorite episodes of the series... hopefully Hinako will get more and more focus in the latter part of the show!
As much I thought that episode 8 was the best so far, I'll say that episode 6 was the second best, since I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Oh and there's one more thing I'd like to say about this episode. That was some damn good voice acting.
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Old 2007-11-23, 03:54   Link #98
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For me, the whole "not contacting Sana" thing is just a plot device, a lame a** one. I mean how can close friends never contact nor visit each other for years? It's as if phone, subway, porn... i mean internet did not exist back then. To me, it 's just the creator trying to make an emotional drama series by having "the heroine was all alone with nobody to help in a horrid situation" kinda plot.

So, now that Yuzuki sensei realizes that Sana is the kid that inspire her caramel giving habit, their relationship should grow to be more than teacher and student. Although, they will never be together, i hope Yuzuki sensei will still be given decent screentime in the future eps.
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As for Nanaka's personality, the personality you described is the one she adopted after the arson incident and recovery.
Before the arson, she was quite different and seemed like the type opposite of what you said.
Can anyone truely become like what they were in the past? I didn't think it was possible. Nanaka's personality can never revert to what it was before arson incident, nor can her parents return, can they? Experience changes people. She can develop into more cheerful person but she can never be what she was in the past.


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So Asami's the true villain?

No, Asami is one of many uncertain elements (plot devices) that led to episode 8's conclusion. Only true villain in this show would be Grandma Kaji since she has awful possibility of pairing up with Nanaka and/or making an attempt to murder Asami (poor old lady).
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Mini Epiphany: Who's room was Nanaka in in the preview? When she was sitting on the bed with her head down?
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