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Old 2008-02-10, 18:57   Link #101
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00 has really good writers. I think setsuna is atheist now( after that shity HOLY WAR he went through).So there is a possibility he wants can become a god.
Setsuna's religious stance is quite questionable at this point, although with the power of Gundam (read: God), he intends mostly to atone for the sins of his past.

For all the people that read his character as very one-dimensional or just as too inexpressive, it's just that he's got a one-track mind right now. He's a firm believer in the cause of eliminating the act of war because of the atrocities that he himself has committed. And he's likely to be facing more of his past after his own intervention on the Thrones, when a "shocking truth" (lol to how spoilers word that) is revealed.
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Old 2008-02-10, 19:13   Link #102
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I dunno i think he shoudlnt be making judgements for himself. Somehow i see him as an to impulsive guy too much went wrong in his past that he be making judgement. I think for him as a character it isn't good to be hanging around in a gundam.

What i think he needs is a guy like lockon stratos getting to help him in society as a buddy going after girls and all that. I also i dont see anything in him that i would say he really feels hurt by his past. Only when ali is there.

Maybe its cuz there many main characters and cuz he dont talk much or not so many flashbacks unless he is in his country.
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Old 2008-02-10, 19:26   Link #103
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I dunno i think he shouldn't be making judgments for himself. Somehow i see him as an to impulsive guy too much went wrong in his past that he be making judgment. I think for him as a character it isn't good to be hanging around in a gundam.
What's the point of having Gundam pilots without strange backgrounds?

Setsuna's impulsiveness is what makes it fun for him to go around declaring that he's gonna end all war with Celestial Being and Gundam Exia.

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What i think he needs is a guy like lockon stratos getting to help him in society as a buddy going after girls and all that. I also i dont see anything in him that i would say he really feels hurt by his past. Only when ali is there.

Maybe its cuz there many main characters and cuz he dont talk much or not so many flashbacks unless he is in his country.
Something tells me it's gonna be a hell of a while before Setsuna becomes what any of us consider as a "normal" person, even with the help of a down-to-earth guy like Lockon.

As for not showing him being hurt by his past, other than trying to make up for his previous mistakes as a child soldier by joining CB, it's clear that he's running from it for the most part. That's why the guilt trips and flashbacks always come when he's faced with situations involving Ali, and I have a hunch he's gonna have more of that after the "shocking truth" in episode 19.
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Old 2008-02-14, 09:27   Link #104
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I really like Setsuna's character especially after the ep 18, he follows his own sense of justice, he know clearly what's right or wrong in his view, not necessarily the cause hence why he sneak into marina's room to ask that question, but he know there's something's wrong and actively doing something to fix it.

I never even think he want to become god by piloting gundam, like someone else said, gundam is basically a way to atone his past sin now, and I don't think he's an atheist, I think he himself is unsure what his stance on religion, but not ready to deny religion at this moment, another reason why he ask Marina whose fault is it, God, or human. also when he send Rasa back, he told Marina to fight for the God she believe in. that's not the word of an atheist imo.
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Old 2008-02-14, 13:37   Link #105
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I really like Setsuna's character especially after the ep 18, he follows his own sense of justice, he know clearly what's right or wrong in his view
I'm asking myself if Setsuna feels guilty till today because he was involved in far bigger terrorist action than we thought (now we know that he killed Lockon's family, for example. But FAR more people died, I mean, we can see in Lockon's flashback that everything around him is destroyed). I, too, like how he's dealing on his own now.

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Old 2008-02-14, 16:32   Link #106
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do we know that setsuna is the one who kill lockon's parents for sure? I think there's some age inconsistency there. lockon seems very young when his parents were killed, at that time Setsuna's probably just been born or something, not enough to get converted by Ali and then trained to be efficient soldier imo
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Old 2008-02-14, 17:54   Link #107
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do we know that setsuna is the one who kill lockon's parents for sure? I think there's some age inconsistency there. lockon seems very young when his parents were killed, at that time Setsuna's probably just been born or something, not enough to get converted by Ali and then trained to be efficient soldier imo
Setsuna is 16/17. Lockon is 24/25, and he looked young at the time the bombing. Also I believe we know for a fact that Setsuna didn't start his little "I'ma wittle woldier" career until he was at least eight.

Obviously it's extremely improbable that he had anything personally to do with Lockon's parents' death, but maybe the fact that he was a terrorist is enough to tick Lockon off?
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Old 2008-02-14, 20:10   Link #108
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Setsuna is 16/17. Lockon is 24/25, and he looked young at the time the bombing. Also I believe we know for a fact that Setsuna didn't start his little "I'ma wittle woldier" career until he was at least eight.

Obviously it's extremely improbable that he had anything personally to do with Lockon's parents' death, but maybe the fact that he was a terrorist is enough to tick Lockon off?
Setsuna is 16, and Lockon is 26, Setsuna couldn't have had anything to do with Lockon's parents death since Setsuna was 9/10 when he became a child soldier (Gundam O showed up in Krudistan in 2301, he was born in 2291) so if Setsuna did have something to do with Lockon's parents deth then the earliest that Lockon's parents could've died is when Lockon was 19, and he definetly didn't look 19.
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Old 2008-02-14, 20:37   Link #109
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Setsuna is 16, and Lockon is 26, Setsuna couldn't have had anything to do with Lockon's parents death since Setsuna was 9/10 when he became a child soldier (Gundam O showed up in Krudistan in 2301, he was born in 2291) so if Setsuna did have something to do with Lockon's parents deth then the earliest that Lockon's parents could've died is when Lockon was 19, and he definetly didn't look 19.
I've heard different numbers, but that's more or less in line with the point I was making.
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Old 2008-02-15, 04:56   Link #110
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Lockon should be 25 by now since his birthday is about a week after Allelujah's.
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Old 2008-02-15, 19:18   Link #111
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I didn't know if I should post this ins the Ric thread, but I posted it over at NF and thought it looked like Setsuna and Marina a lot.
Spoiler for Setsuna and Marina's 009? XD:
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Old 2008-02-20, 01:39   Link #112
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So Setsuna's real name comes from two things:

- The Kurdish clan of the Sorans, located in the Soran region of Northern Iraq, who speak the Sorani dialect of Kurmanji Kurdish.

- Ibrahim, the Islamic prophet also known as the biblical patriarch Abraham.

And in the course of wiki'ing and googling, I discovered that Marina's last name Ismail is the Islamic name for Ishmael, the first son of Abraham and prophet of Islam.

How many more trivial religious references will surface in this series?
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Old 2008-02-20, 01:42   Link #113
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Aside from the names of Gundams and Middle Eastern people, probably not all that often.
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Old 2008-02-26, 22:59   Link #114
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SEED and Destiny would like to have a word with you.
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Old 2008-02-26, 23:32   Link #115
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SEED and Destiny would like to have a word with you.
Man that conversation was like weeks ago. Yes Johann was saying that Setsuna was a part of the KPSA, and that by proxy, Lockon would and should have a grudge against him.

(And you may not believe me, but that's what I had thought before everyone opened the discussion up with spoiler talk about how Setsuna couldn't have been the one to personally kill Lockon's family. I've been nicked for spoilers twice now, so you can never be too careful. )

I have yet to personally meet with Seed and Destiny. And something is telling me that I shouldn't. =P
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Old 2008-02-27, 02:04   Link #116
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I just managed to watch those eps just now as I'm extremely busy with work, so...ToT

Anyway, it's really cool that Setsuna is starting to flesh out his character in the succeeding episodes. I just hope this keeps getting better.
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Old 2008-03-07, 08:34   Link #117
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I guess the only thing that can only make Setsuna break a smile is to call him a "GundaManiac" (Ep 19 reference)
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Question Dream On, Boy..

Are Marina's breasts bigger in Setsuna's dreams?
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Old 2008-03-07, 21:16   Link #119
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So Setsuna's real name comes from two things:

- The Kurdish clan of the Sorans, located in the Soran region of Northern Iraq, who speak the Sorani dialect of Kurmanji Kurdish.

- Ibrahim, the Islamic prophet also known as the biblical patriarch Abraham.

And in the course of wiki'ing and googling, I discovered that Marina's last name Ismail is the Islamic name for Ishmael, the first son of Abraham and prophet of Islam.

How many more trivial religious references will surface in this series?
Didn't know there was a smart-ass dude in the forums...
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Old 2008-03-08, 13:10   Link #120
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Did anyone know that the final episode is entitled "Setsuna"? Most likely it'll center on this guy here.
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