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Old 2008-07-19, 01:14   Link #81
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I don't think there ever could be a better superhero movie after this one. Part of the reason is that Heath Ledger's job in acting the joker was superb beyond all words. The only way they'd even come close is if they took Daniel Day Lewis to act the next villain or something because... there has never been a better acted villain in my movie experience.
No one has expected Heath Ledger to act as the perfect villain, so, a surprising name can follow up his performance. But, I don't know if the studio will want that. Instead of asking for someone to go above that, they may try to change the direction, and that may unfortunately trigger what happened to the first series. So, it is better to avoid that, for now. As usual, the strongest enemies would usually make a movie more enjoyable to watch, so, I hope this kind of trend continues in the future ones too. It won't be easy, but, if they can succeed, it may even create a trend like the 007 series - looking for the perfect villain to complement the hero's performance.
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Old 2008-07-19, 09:44   Link #82
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I really want to see if Chris Nolan can pull off the seemingly impossible: a serious portrayal of Mr Freeze like the one in the animated series in live action.
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Old 2008-07-19, 10:06   Link #83
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Most probably not, since Freeze is a pretty unrealistic villain.

Unless Christopher Nolan decides to strip him off all of his unrealistic qualities. Making him into a normal man that probably kills people and freezes their corpses.
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Old 2008-07-19, 10:47   Link #84
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As far as super hero movies go...

1. This batman movie
2. the last batman movie
3. Iron Man


And there is a pretty big gap between the first two...
I disagree. I would definitely put Spiderman 2 in the top three, if not second. So would most critics, but it's a matter of personal preference. However Spiderman deserves to be placed in front of Iron Man because it was the first great superhero comic book adaptation, which set the standard and made films like Iron Man, Spiderman 2 and the recent Batman films as good as they are. The Dark Knight is the continuation and perfection of that model, the blend of breathtaking special affects and intresting plot.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Spiderman 2 ->
3. Batman Begins <-
4. Spiderman
5. Iron Man
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Old 2008-07-19, 11:11   Link #85
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Roflmao. I don't know who added the kemonomimi tag (and I might have been very late to notice it), but if I knew I'd give him a cookie.

And, yes, I agree with kakashi-san, Spiderman 2 deserves to be in the top 3 superhero movies more than Iron Man. But as for what would follow The Dark Knight, I honestly don't know. Chris Nolan has set the bar extremely high, even for himself. This movie has explored the duality of good and evil so thoroughly, there wouldn't be any point exploring it further in subsequent Batman movies.

The Batman is not a hero. Therefore he is.

Perhaps, in the next movie, Bruce Wayne gets one step closer to falling into insanity, as per Frank Miller's vision in The Dark Knight Returns. After all, when one stares too long into the abyss, the abyss stares back at him.

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Old 2008-07-19, 12:18   Link #86
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Most probably not, since Freeze is a pretty unrealistic villain.

Unless Christopher Nolan decides to strip him off all of his unrealistic qualities. Making him into a normal man that probably kills people and freezes their corpses.
Well, if things like "focused beams of microwaves destroy the enemy's water supply" are possible in this "realisitic" universe, something like a man being able to fire "focused beams of lowered temperature" should (hopefully) still be consistent.
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Old 2008-07-19, 12:32   Link #87
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I disagree. I would definitely put Spiderman 2 in the top three, if not second. So would most critics, but it's a matter of personal preference. However Spiderman deserves to be placed in front of Iron Man because it was the first great superhero comic book adaptation, which set the standard and made films like Iron Man, Spiderman 2 and the recent Batman films as good as they are. The Dark Knight is the continuation and perfection of that model, the blend of breathtaking special affects and intresting plot.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Spiderman 2 ->
3. Batman Begins <-
4. Spiderman
5. Iron Man
Well spiderman doesn't happen to be one of my favorite heroes. And setting the precedent for anything means you deserve to be better? Bad logic. Plus I do not think it set anything for Batman because Batman is a very different type of hero than other ones. He is dark unlike Spiderman, he lives in a dark environment, the villains are much more dark. Nolan was the first director in decades to successfully portray Batman.

I also placed Iron Man ahead just for the act that I actually enjoyed the movie more than the spider man movies. Spiderman II is like 4th in my list.
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Old 2008-07-19, 12:36   Link #88
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Ledger's Joker wil join the rank amongst the 100 greatest film villian.

And here's a trick question inspired by his performance :-

If Dr. Lecter and The Joker were to be locked into a single prison cell, who will walk out alive ?

Anime ethusiast might want to add Johan Liebert from Monster to make this riddle trickier.
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Old 2008-07-19, 13:19   Link #89
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There's something about one scene I'm not so sure about.

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I'd have to also agree that Spider-Man 2 should be part of that list. The first two Spider-Man movies are two of the good superhero movies that explore the motivations and doubts of their protagonists, to the point that these serious introspections become inseparable from the main story itself. It's practically part of the genre now, and I think Spider-Man 2 delivers in this area quite well. Superman, and the two Hulk movies (yes, even the Ang Lee one) try to do the same, but as for Iron Man I'm not so sure since I haven't watched it yet.

This new and darker Batman also goes along those same lines.
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Old 2008-07-19, 13:44   Link #90
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There's something about one scene I'm not so sure about.

Spoiler:

I'd have to also agree that Spider-Man 2 should be part of that list. The first two Spider-Man movies are two of the good superhero movies that explore the motivations and doubts of their protagonists, to the point that these serious introspections become inseparable from the main story itself. It's practically part of the genre now, and I think Spider-Man 2 delivers in this area quite well. Superman, and the two Hulk movies (yes, even the Ang Lee one) try to do the same, but as for Iron Man I'm not so sure since I haven't watched it yet.

This new and darker Batman also goes along those same lines.
As far as your question, the answer is yes. I also want to say that I agree with your statement that personal introspection has become a staple of the modern comic-book/superhero film. And while Batman also conforms to that mold, The Dark Knight also serves as a more socio-political analysis and commentary, dealing with themes like the ethics of public security and safety (which is actually directly related to your question earlier), and more psychological themes like the basic nature of human beings (although this analysis is less subtle throughout the film).

And while I'm here, I'd like to open up discussion about everyone's favorite Joker moments from the film (please use spoiler tags).

My favorites:
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Old 2008-07-19, 14:09   Link #91
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^ Pretty much every moment the Joker appears is a favourite moment for me.

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I'd probably add that many great movies are the product of their times. If Alien reflected the insecurities of an early '80s America that seemed to be losing its sense of self, Aliens was the Reaganistic answer, where problems can be solved with guns and lots of bravado.

Similarly, The Dark Knight reflects the mood of post-9/11 America. It's actually an interesting coincidence that the movie should include:

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As for that particular "favourite" moment you mentioned:

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It's a sign of the times, I guess. If nothing else, I'm at least "glad" that the times inspire such stories.
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Old 2008-07-19, 15:03   Link #92
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Well it is official, The Dark Knight broke the opening day box office record that was held by Spiderman 3.In one day it gross over $66.5 million.

Damn!! and I have to wait till the 23rd to see it where I live
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Old 2008-07-19, 15:18   Link #93
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Old 2008-07-19, 17:10   Link #94
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That one is good too. Mine are...

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Old 2008-07-19, 18:27   Link #95
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The best two for me were when

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Old 2008-07-19, 18:38   Link #96
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Favorite Joker moment
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It'll be interesting to see how (if) they follow this movie up. They didn't really end with any obvious hints, and I was a bit disappointed at...

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Old 2008-07-19, 18:38   Link #97
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Old 2008-07-19, 19:22   Link #98
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I just saw it, I liked how this guy played The Joker, his actuation was really Good, god thing he leaved this world with his best actuation, although, I still prefer the Joker that played Jack Nicholson

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Old 2008-07-19, 19:56   Link #99
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I just saw it, I liked how this guy played The Joker, his actuation was really Good, god thing he leaved this world with his best actuation, although, I still prefer the Joker that played Jack Nicholson
Typo I know, but funny nonetheless = )
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