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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 12 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 28 | 27.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 29 | 28.43% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 26 | 25.49% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 8.82% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.94% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.96% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.98% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.98% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 2.94% | |
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2007-12-28, 17:10 | Link #161 | |
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2007-12-28, 17:32 | Link #162 | |
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2007-12-28, 17:44 | Link #163 |
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The problem is that we don't know exactly what Veda's requirements for the pilots is. Best on what specifics? We don't have that answer. Hell it looks as though even the pilots themselves don't know exactly why they were chosen. And I get the feeling that there's something about the Gundams that requires something special with the pilots. Something other than normal soldier material which is why the pilots aren't the best out there. But they still seem to be pretty good pilots. I'm looking forward to all the pilots going head on with pilots like Graham and seeing how they fair when the fight isn't interupted.
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2007-12-28, 18:12 | Link #164 | |
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2007-12-28, 18:52 | Link #165 |
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Im not sure if anyone noticed but Lockon had the advantage at the beginning. He had range to snipe Graham, missed 3 to 4 times as well. Its not like Graham just jumped out of nowhere, and pounced on lockon. If you watch the episode again Graham had to intercept Dynames within Lockon sniping range while still being under fire at far distance.
Yeah Lockon missed the first time, he gave the I was being half @$$ed response, and said in the lines I wont miss again, well we all know what happened the second third and fourth shot. Last edited by winter45; 2007-12-28 at 20:03. Reason: wrong name inputed now corrected |
2007-12-28, 19:35 | Link #166 | |
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The 2-week break makes me wanna go Graham on somebody's a$$, but in the interim I was thinking about how I'd rank the named pilots to this point on fighter skills... Hallelujah (To this point his killer instinct lets the Gundam use it's full potential) Graham (Not only does he take each fight seriously, he fights with an aggressive enthusiasm unmatched by any pilot so far) Ali (have to see a bit more before he can go over Graham) Tieria (His Gundam kinda dictates his success level) Sergei (Oldtype goodness) Soma (Better when Hallelujah is Allelujah) Setsuna (Once he gets over his past his potential will explode) Allelujah (Gets just enuff done until his real self is needed) Lockon (Basically and only because he's range, wished his battle with Graham could have shown more melee) The AEU "Ace"(He's still clearly beyond grunt status despite his douchebagness) Feel free to whatever...
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2007-12-28, 19:46 | Link #167 |
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i kinda agree with ur skill listing beside sergei and soma i think soma better than sergei... Tieria like u said just as good cause of his gundam.... i would rank him lower .. probably above setsuna
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2007-12-28, 19:57 | Link #168 |
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It would be interesting to know how much experience the various pilots have.
For example, I wouldn't be surprised if Setsuna and Tieria and possibly Lockon have *only* piloted Gundams, and not normal MS. We've seen Al have a flashback to a Tieren, so it seems quite likely that has piloted such things in the past. It's possible that Lockon has experience with normal MS but maybe he was scouted for his sniping skills which is why he sometimes leaves the piloting to Haro? I wonder how good CB's Gundam pilot simulators are. After all, it's not like they'd have an extensive direct experience - though they could probably get some data via illegal methods (ie by hacking, or by scouting relevant researchers). As a final note, I seem to remember reading a background note saying that Setsuna was chosen to be a Gundam pilot when he was 14 - ie he's had 2 years to learn to pilot a MS. Can anyone confirm? |
2007-12-28, 20:28 | Link #169 | ||
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Yo WD i think you may have misread my latest post im not sure if you are directing at me but ill elaberote a bit more if there is a misunderstanding here.
I've been promoting Graham all the way. I was saying Lockon had the advantage but failed 4 times, he had a superior suit and still had dfficulties. Graham cornerd Lockon kinda speak till the end just about. Pls read this Quote:
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WD i hope this clears this misunderstanding. Last edited by winter45; 2007-12-28 at 20:30. Reason: added extra paragraph |
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2007-12-28, 22:25 | Link #172 |
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For all we know, Haro was given to Lockon because he's the sanest Meister and the CB wouldn't entrust that AI to Setsuna, Allelujah and Tieria because of certain psychological issues and that they would probably use Haro for their own twisted gains. Also, CB already has a past (using the manga as reference point) and the fact that Lockon et al are already part of the 3rd generation of Gundam Meisters. That clearly could indicate that CB has already been part of the "war" BEFORE the events of Gundam 00. Whereas it doesn't necessarily mean that they have now very extensive/ vastly superior technology in the intelligence gathering sense or pilot choosing sense that borders on magical proportions, they are still superior in some way to the current faction technology, enough to warrant 4 Meisters with considerable experience in fighting in a Gundam, and which sadly at this point only prove to be effective against grunts. @ winter45 and wingdarkness Graham has effectively fought against Setsuna and Lockon, using their mission objectives as an excuse. All of his fights involving a Gundam always were set back with Setsuna and Lockon (for this particular episode) on a mission that does not involve Graham in a big way (i.e., CB going after Union hide). Setsuna and Lockon were forced to deal with Graham because, yes, in a way he did suddenly appear out of nowhere (with reference on their current mission objectives) and so were made to deal with Graham whether they liked it or not. Of course, Graham's battle tactics are superior than any pilot I have seen so far (Soma and Sergei's are still under wraps [not yet full potential], and Ali could probably give Graham a run for his money if his skills were also exploited a little more), but they were shown in a way that exhibited more Gundam dependent tendencies of the pilots rather than their real skills in a battle. In this respect, Ali was more successful: he provoked Setsuna and the Exia was able to cut off his MS weapon, and then he was forced to retreat or withdraw after it. Also, Graham deciding to crash in on Exia and Dynames could also get him killed. What if the CB direct the Gundams to meet anyone catching up to them or deciding to go after them to kill pilots who wish to catch themselves a Gundam? Graham always manages to fight Gundams rashly, without any respect to what the outcome of that encounter would bring. I could understand why he wanted to fight with the Exia, but clearly this wasn't the case for the Dynames. For the Exia's case, he was clearly doing some research for the Union. In the Dynames' case, it could be seen as part of the Union's Gundam capturing objective for some reason or other, but it was done rather bleh. I mean, the Union was probably already briefed about why the CB was in Azadistan; it was clearly for protecting Azadistan and was done with the intent of not even hampering the Union with their defensive efforts in protecting a temporary ally from a coup d' etat. Graham's motives for going after the Dynames and leaving his 2 Flag buddies at the mercy of Ali Al Sarshes (as we already know what he could do) could either get them killed, or in Graham's case, could also get him killed, as well, and so we will lose an CHAR in the process. I'm all praises for Graham in his battle with Lockon, because he was awesome. I'm just rather disappointed that Graham's skills only show up when Setsuna and Lockon were clearly just doing their jobs and Graham suddenly decides to invade their privacy. Ali had done a lot more than what Graham could have done; he clearly saw through Exia's moves and actually threw Setsuna to his limit, and not because it wasn't part of his job. Or rather, he also suffers the same fate as Graham, except Ali was able to squeeze more from his battle encounter with the Exia other than getting Setsuna surprised that he dodged his pea shooter. I'm looking forward to the day that Graham would truly be the best grunt pilot I have seen in Gundam 00 so far, and where his fights could actually draw out on the battle instincts of the Meisters. At least Ali, Soma and Sergei have shown military tactics behind their actions in some way or other.
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2007-12-28, 22:54 | Link #173 |
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@Sniper - Graham is clearly an irritant at this point, but the scope of Gundam 00's plot has yet to deeply include him...I believe it will at some point, but make no mistake, Graham Acre isn't in this to push anyones potential per se...He's clearly in it to examine, challenge, and ultimately capture a Gundam to turn the technological balance of this war...Unlike any other pilot his motivations lie in honor and idealistic valor...He wants to be the one to help turn history away from the will of the Gundams' agenda...He will not be denied a starring role as history is written and if it means randomly engaging the Gundams then sobeit...He will have his name heard and eventually this irritant will spawn into something you won't be able to overlook much longer...
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2007-12-28, 23:02 | Link #174 |
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I believe that's what Graham would turn out into. I just hope it's before the season ends. Also, I hope Mizushima won't botch up this CHAR in the making. I'll probably go to the ends of the world if Graham asked me to, that's how much I admire him already...
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2007-12-28, 23:20 | Link #175 |
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I appreciate Graham's character for various reasons, but for a soldier, he seems to have a better grasp of the world around him. So far, his style is effective, but how long will he remain as such.
On another subject, how is Marina Queen? she is terrible, She doesn't have a clue at all.
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2007-12-29, 00:44 | Link #177 | |
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She actually is pretty good considering her position. She set out to acquire solar power to revitalize her country's economy, and she achieved that. Is it her fault her country men went crazy and started a civil war? |
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2007-12-29, 00:59 | Link #178 |
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Speaking of the civil war, is Ali a Kurdistan? Episode 12 shows that Kurdistan are looked down by the Azadistan people based on what the old man said to Setsuna. So maybe Ali plans to start to civil war as revenge?
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However, I am assuming that the situation in the anime is supposed to depict real world tension between the Kurds who want their own land and the Turks. |
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