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Old 2008-10-23, 23:34   Link #4041
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Polls out today have:
1) +4 for Obama in Indiana (Sample size ~600)
2) +4 for Obama in Montana (Sample size ~400).
3) Rasmussen has Georgia at -5 and Texas is only -10.
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Old 2008-10-23, 23:35   Link #4042
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I have no idea, unless them mean regarding the people into different groups. It would be dividing to find the blue collar people I think. If not that, it could might as well be the mask of the American citizens or something like that.
i think it came from republican convention when palin was talking about coming from a small town with small town values..
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Old 2008-10-24, 00:09   Link #4043
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There is a relative cultural divide between rural America and metro America.... but it isn't a clean divide, its very splotchy with lots of overlap.

I get to see it in action because my side of the family straddles it (which makes for very exhilarating family gatherings o.O).
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Old 2008-10-24, 00:34   Link #4044
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lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d98t2c2XZE
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Old 2008-10-24, 01:27   Link #4045
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i think it came from republican convention when palin was talking about coming from a small town with small town values..
Oh I think I understand, and so I made a video to help explain it to everyone.

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Old 2008-10-24, 02:17   Link #4046
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Old 2008-10-24, 11:46   Link #4047
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lol did you know that palin went to 4 or 5 colleges and it took her 5 to 6 years to graduate...i also hear her husband was a member of a separatist group to separate alaska from america...wow. nice video too.
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Old 2008-10-24, 13:17   Link #4048
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I was wondering if people could fill me in on what did jimmy carter do that made him a bad president. and what is it about barrack Obama that makes people think he would be like jimmy carter? why can't he be like bill Clinton?
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Old 2008-10-24, 13:35   Link #4049
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I was wondering if people could fill me in on what did jimmy carter do that made him a bad president. and what is it about barrack Obama that makes people think he would be like jimmy carter? why can't he be like bill Clinton?
Jimmy Carter was the eternal soft-spoken Democrat that did everything in his power to stay diplomatic with the country and the world. He, in many respects, was not a bad President, though he was often viewed as being slightly weak-willed, though that caricature is somewhat exaggerated. It's just that his Presidency was marred by all of the political waste that Nixon and Ford left in the White House as well as constant world strife: stagflation, an extreme energy crisis, Iran Hostage crisis (created in part due to the increased presence of America in the Middle East as a peace keeping force while helping with the Israel/Egypt alliance and then later the Afghanistan conflict), a crisis of confidence (created due to a constant string of Presidential problems (JFK assassination, Watergate, Vietnam War, etc)), a general disdain from the right for enacting so many equal liberties policies (this could be the reason that Neo-Cons have labeled Obama a recreation of Carter), starting the withdrawal from South America (which the right hated), the Strategic Arms Limitations Talks (which, again, the right hated, and since Obama wants to get rid of even more Nuclear weapons, the neo-cons probably use this a reference point), and so much more.

It is kind of ironic that the main reaosn that Obama and Carter are compared to each other is the fact that both had to clean up the mess of a Republican president, all the while dealing with constant world strife.
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Old 2008-10-24, 13:38   Link #4050
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I was wondering if people could fill me in on what did jimmy carter do that made him a bad president. and what is it about barrack Obama that makes people think he would be like jimmy carter? why can't he be like bill Clinton?
He had the luck to be president at a time when the economy was trying to recover from the damage of the oil embargo and the stock market crash that followed it, as well as the Iranian Revolution and subsequent energy crisis and hostage crisis. He didn't really do anything wrong, he was just president at a bad time.

About the only thing he actually did wrong was get attacked by a rabbit. Of course anyone who has seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail knows just how lucky Carter was to escape with his life.
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Old 2008-10-24, 13:55   Link #4051
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And the funny thing is, Reagan took credit for Carter's deregulation.

He was the one who deregulated airline, trucking, and a whole slew of other key industries. And them Republicans worship Ronald Reagan as President Perfect because apparently he is Jesus reborn and saved America from socialism. Let's quietly sweep under the rug the pretty little fact that balanced budget which was so worshipped in Reaganomics did not happen during his term either.

Life is funny that way :/

I'm not sure who made the economy boom during the 80's. May be Carter's deregulation efforts did finally pay off, or may be the Federal Reserve-induced recession that did away with runaway inflation paid off, maybe the economy recovered on its own, but it certainly wasn't the tax cuts for the rich that Reagan gave which allowed that to happen.

Of course, it goes both ways. Clinton took full credit for the 90's boom while I'm pretty sure that there are a whole slew of factors that he didn't really have an effect on, like the computer revolution that put productivity through the roof.

It will be interesting to see if Obama can turn things around in time for 2012 or his Presidency will be a one-term one, or whether if Obama could've done anything in the first place.
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Old 2008-10-24, 14:04   Link #4052
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And the funny thing is, Reagan took credit for Carter's deregulation.
Reagen gets credit for just about everything Carter did that conservitaves think was a good idea. Hell, he even gets credit for the release of the hostages being held in Iran even though it was Carter who worked out a deal in the last days of his presidency. The only thing Carter gets credit for is brokering peace in the Middle East, and that's probably only because Reagenites haven't figured out a way to steal the credit yet.
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Old 2008-10-24, 14:57   Link #4053
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He had the luck to be president at a time when the economy was trying to recover from the damage of the oil embargo and the stock market crash that followed it, as well as the Iranian Revolution and subsequent energy crisis and hostage crisis. He didn't really do anything wrong, he was just president at a bad time.

About the only thing he actually did wrong was get attacked by a rabbit. Of course anyone who has seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail knows just how lucky Carter was to escape with his life.
at least he didn't choke on a pretzel like someone we know, i still can't believe that...
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Old 2008-10-24, 17:21   Link #4054
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Being a Democrat or Republican is like being a Ford fan or Chevy supporter. While there are undecideds who might choose a Mustang or Camaro based on their spec sheets alone, most us already know where our allegiance lies and will defend our choice regardless. The analogy between your political party and pony car preference just got a little more interesting thanks to a study by Landor Associates and research firm Penn, Schoen and Berland. They issued a survey asking respondents to compare the top two political contenders with brands in the marketplace, and the results weren't shocking so much as reflective of the prevailing perceptions of each candidate.

Barack Obama, for instance, was associated with brands like Google, James Bond and Target, while John McCain was linked to AOL, Jack Bauer and Wal-Mart. When it came to auto brands, Obama was buddied up with BMW and McCain paired with Ford. We would have gone a bit more granular and pegged Obama as an M3 and McCain a Shelby GT500, as that would certainly be a race more exciting than the one we're watching now.
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Old 2008-10-24, 17:38   Link #4055
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Less than 2 weeks left, who will win?

It seems that the two presidential candidates will be expecting veteran votes in less than two weeks from now. Certainly, due to the major differences of both Obama and McCain, people who are working in the military will be expecting either change or continuation.

If Obama is elected, the war in Iraq will finally reach a conclusion and it will also mean a happy ending for the soldiers at the front lines, who seek survival and daylight. At the same time, the ones who seek to become soldiers to defend their American nation at military cadets will also be relieved to realize that they won't be send off to the frontlines which may be a possible grave. After all, would people join the military to fight a war and die? Or would they rather enlist for the high salary and also some awesome welfare benefits, then sit back and relax?

If McCain is elected, the war in Iraq will not end yet, because it is still considered as unfinished. In that case, more soldiers will be needed to end the war in a speedy manner meaning that the military cadets will be enforcing serious training sessions to ensure quality soldiers meant for the job (war in Iraq). As times get worse, there may be special teamwork training that consist of 10 soldiers to work as team to fight 150 soldiers and survive to become strong and fit. In the end, people will start to think that joining the military may be a bad idea which might result in future soldier shortages, when necessary wars occur. However, it is not McCain's fault that soldiers and future soldiers will end up facing a harsh time, because of hawkish foreign policies. After all, America had always adopted a strong foreign policy and tends to have war from time to time. There is nothing unusual about that. Its a Republican tradition, after all.
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Old 2008-10-24, 19:29   Link #4056
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yeah, i admit i am excited about voting. i also want to see who wins. i also hope that the people in Iraq will be able to come home.
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Old 2008-10-24, 20:50   Link #4057
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A new InsiderAdvantage/Poll Position survey shows the remarkable: Barack Obama could very well win the deep-red state of Georgia.

The Illinois Democrat, according to the poll, has a slight edge over John McCain -- by a margin of 48 percent to 47 percent. The findings represent an outlier from other public opinion surveys, though Democracy Corps had the race extremely tight just a few days ago. The attention they are garnering is driven as much by the novelty as by a sincere belief that Obama could pull off the upset.

But from a strictly numerical standpoint, political observers shouldn't be all that shocked if the Democrats flips the Peach State. The data certainly lines up in Obama's favor.

The population in Georgia, according to the 2005 U.S. Census estimate, breaks down roughly as follows: 61.5 percent white, 30 percent African-American, and 6.5 percent Hispanic.

But the political map has, traditionally, been different. In 2004, the Georgia voting public consisted of roughly 3,280,000 individuals who broke down as follows: 70 percent white, 25 percent African-American, and 4 percent Hispanic.

Those dynamics led to a fairly easy victory for George W. Bush. The president took 76 percent of the white vote, 12 percent of the black vote, and 56 percent of the Hispanic vote en route to winning the state by a margin of 58 percent to 41 percent.

Flash forward four years and every change in Georgia's demographics appears to be favoring Obama. The Hispanic vote, which is growing in the state, is trending his way. The white vote is still predominantly Republican, but McCain's trouble with the base suggests he won't match the success that Bush enjoyed. And African-Americans are expected to go to the polls in record numbers.

So what does this mean in practical political terms? A Democratic friend does the math:

The big question is not if African-Americans' share of the electorate will increase, but by how much and what that will do to the share of the electorate made up by whites. The potential electorate could look as follows.
Whites: 64 percent African Americans: 31 percent Hispanics: 5 percent
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Let's say McCain gets 71% of the white vote, Obama 26%, and [Third Party candidate] Bob Barr 3%, which is reasonable and perhaps a bit cautious on Obama's and Barr's shares. Then there is the Hispanic vote, which favored Bush in 2004 but nearly everyone has now given Obama roughly 2-1. Meanwhile, let's put Obama's support among African-Americans at 95%, which I think is reasonable.

The end result -- if one assumes the same number of voters that showed up four years ago (3,280,000) come to the polls next week -- would be as follows:

Obama would end up with 49.39 percent of the vote (approximately 1,610,000 votes) McCain would end up with 48.64 percent of the vote (approximately 1,590,050 votes)
This is, to be sure, the most optimistic scenario that Democrats can imagine. Matt Bocian of Democracy Corps says that in all likelihood, the African-American vote will hover somewhere between 26 and 27 percent, even with record turnout. One must consider that a portion of that group isn't of age to vote. And without an accompanying drop in McCain's support among whites, Obama could fall short of the upset.
Still, Georgia should be a state to watch on November 4th. Throughout the Democratic primary, pollsters consistently underestimated Obama's tallies in southern states, despite pegging Hillary Clinton's numbers accurately. In Georgia, for example, Obama's support jumped from 50 percent in early February to 66 percent when the vote took place, while Hillary Clinton stayed roughly at 30 percent.

In addition, the Obama campaign has done absolute yeomen's work in reaching out to and registering African-American voters. More than 400,000 newly registered voters were reported between January 1st and September 30th, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution; 164,859 of those voters are African-American, 176,570 are white.

If African-Americans can defy pollster expectations and go to the polls at a level approaching 30 percent while McCain's support among white voters hovers around 70 percent, it could portends a very close election in Georgia and, potentially, an Obama win.
Also couple of days ago, Bob Barr predicted that Georgia would go to Obama, i know it is a long shot but it is starting to look like that Georgia will go to the Toss-up very soon and that is not good for McCain
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Old 2008-10-24, 20:56   Link #4058
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Barack Obama, for instance, was associated with brands like Google, James Bond and Target, while John McCain was linked to AOL, Jack Bauer and Wal-Mart. When it came to auto brands, Obama was buddied up with BMW and McCain paired with Ford. We would have gone a bit more granular and pegged Obama as an M3 and McCain a Shelby GT500, as that would certainly be a race more exciting than the one we're watching now.
I guess then they think McCain wouldn't be a Ford Maverick then.

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Old 2008-10-24, 21:03   Link #4059
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lol, i still don't get why they call him a maverick, he has voted with bush almost all the time...
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