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Old 2008-11-19, 00:35   Link #5281
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Aside from the fact that Obama is widely viewed as a sensible man, the Obama Administration have yet to do something that mutually benefits the Japan-US bilateral relation. Hopefully, the Obama Administration would put some thought into the relocation of the Okinawa marine base over to Guam and not demanding more fundings. Currently, there is a delay in the Futenma relocation plan because the US is still not satisfied with Japan paying 60+ percent of the expenses and costs. Aside from this issue, the Obama Administration should also do something about the current global recession fears and slumping global financial markets.
But you got to remember that they cant do anything until Jan, so until then the only thing that Obama Administration is setting thing up with the new cabinet (I will be talking about this later), but in the future, once we get some of the biggest problems out of the way, then they will revisit Japan - US bilateral relation.

Now let talk about the Obama Cabinet, as of right now, they are sticking to their guns with getting people from Pres. Clinton staff and also going after Republicans to help out with the Cabinet and also going after HRC for the Sect of State. I think that is a good move by Obama, you see if she want to go for the presidency again, she has to do a good job by working for Obama and try not to screw because she screw up then it will be hard for her to run again. I been reading that his cabinet choose is the totally opposite of what Bush got in his first term. To me, that is a good start.
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Old 2008-11-19, 00:44   Link #5282
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I do not expect Hilary Clinton to take this cabinet position. Obama is using this ploy to turn her into the Colin Powell of the Democrat administration. She will not fall for this and will stick in the senate where she can have tremendous influence. Because really, as secretary of state she cannot do jack if Obama disagrees with her. I do not like that he is trying to keep her down.
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Old 2008-11-19, 00:56   Link #5283
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...etary-of-state

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Hillary Clinton plans to accept the job of secretary of state offered by Barack Obama, who is reaching out to former rivals to build a broad coalition administration, the Guardian has learned.

Obama's advisers have begun looking into Bill Clinton's foundation, which distributes millions of dollars to Africa to help with development, to ensure that there is no conflict of interest. But Democrats do not believe that the vetting is likely to be a problem.

Clinton would be well placed to become the country's dominant voice in foreign affairs, replacing Condoleezza Rice. Since being elected senator for New York, she has specialised in foreign affairs and defence. Although she supported the war in Iraq, she and Obama basically agree on a withdrawal of American troops.
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Old 2008-11-19, 00:59   Link #5284
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i think it is a bad move. If she accepts she just chain herself to the obama admin. if it goes great, fine. but it sinks, it will take with it.

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Now let talk about the Obama Cabinet, as of right now, they are sticking to their guns with getting people from Pres. Clinton staff and also going after Republicans to help out with the Cabinet and also going after HRC for the Sect of State. I think that is a good move by Obama, you see if she want to go for the presidency again, she has to do a good job by working for Obama and try not to screw because she screw up then it will be hard for her to run again. I been reading that his cabinet choose is the totally opposite of what Bush got in his first term. To me, that is a good start.
what exactly do you mean by this? During the primary, Obama keeping trotting out the line that the Clintons represent old idea and what work in the 90s won't work now and that the country needs new idea. Yet he is surrounding himself with former Clinton officials and some of the most important cabinet post are going to be fill by former Clintons.
So was Obama was full of it primary and the Clintons still have ideas that will work in 2008 and beyond and not just the 90s?
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Old 2008-11-19, 01:02   Link #5285
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Wow, I cannot believe it. I ate my words so soon too . I really feel that this could be a horrible move for the Democratic Party. If this Presidency crashes and burns, who will be left to head the party if they all become tainted?
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Old 2008-11-19, 01:08   Link #5286
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Nah... Clinton (either one) has always been more interested in shaping *world* events than in domestic issues as such.

As far as "taint" goes, not being members of the Bush Administration didn't help the Congressional members of the GOP since they worked in concert anyway.
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Old 2008-11-19, 02:37   Link #5287
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Obama is using this ploy to turn her into the Colin Powell of the Democrat administration.
Obama is an evil man. Pure EVIL!


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If this Presidency crashes and burns, who will be left to head the party if they all become tainted?
Joe Lieberman?
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Old 2008-11-19, 02:47   Link #5288
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Joe Lieberman?
I know you're being sarcastic, but gods no, the man chose the worst possible issues to be "moderate" and "independent" on. I know America has a love affair with "independent" politicians, but seriously, Iraq War, torture? If you're gonna break the party line, at least choose worthy issues like ethics reform, healthcare reform, gutting pork, budget and a myriad of other issues that will actually do somebody good with bi-partisan legislation efforts.

And the Dems didn't have the guts to kick him out of his chairmanship. Great job. I guess the magic 60 is too tempting to care about actual governance and putting a politician with pro-Bush policies on a crucial policy chairmanship.
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Old 2008-11-19, 03:04   Link #5289
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But you got to remember that they cant do anything until Jan, so until then the only thing that Obama Administration is setting thing up with the new cabinet (I will be talking about this later), but in the future, once we get some of the biggest problems out of the way, then they will revisit Japan - US bilateral relation.

Now let talk about the Obama Cabinet, as of right now, they are sticking to their guns with getting people from Pres. Clinton staff and also going after Republicans to help out with the Cabinet and also going after HRC for the Sect of State. I think that is a good move by Obama, you see if she want to go for the presidency again, she has to do a good job by working for Obama and try not to screw because she screw up then it will be hard for her to run again. I been reading that his cabinet choose is the totally opposite of what Bush got in his first term. To me, that is a good start.
The Obama Administration will be effective only after January 20 next year, I do realize that. As for now, the most important thing for a successful Obama Administration is for president-elect Obama and vice-president-elect Biden to choose capable candidates for their cabinet. As of now, I agree that locating Senator H. Clinton into the seat of the Secretary of State is a good idea. What's next? It seems that Obama have yet to pick his entire cabinet.
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Old 2008-11-19, 03:27   Link #5290
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The Obama Administration will be effective only after January 20 next year, I do realize that. As for now, the most important thing for a successful Obama Administration is for president-elect Obama and vice-president-elect Biden to choose capable candidates for their cabinet. As of now, I agree that locating Senator H. Clinton into the seat of the Secretary of State is a good idea. What's next? It seems that Obama have yet to pick his entire cabinet.
He still hasn't announced the all-important Secretary of the Treasury post, IIRC. Though it's a historic administration and pretty much every post's important, this and the Secretary of State post are the most important in the agenda. People are close reading his every action, and these two appointments will be dissected over and over again for every possible angle of meaning on 1) What's Obama intention towards solving the economic crisis, and 2) How is the new diplomacy after the messed up Bush regime going be carried out and by whom.

As a side note, man, Clintonites are dominating this new administration. Not that it's bad, considering that pretty much most of the Democrats' policy expertise base have worked in the Clinton Administration at one time or another.
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Old 2008-11-19, 04:51   Link #5291
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i think it is a bad move. If she accepts she just chain herself to the obama admin. if it goes great, fine. but it sinks, it will take with it.



what exactly do you mean by this? During the primary, Obama keeping trotting out the line that the Clintons represent old idea and what work in the 90s won't work now and that the country needs new idea. Yet he is surrounding himself with former Clinton officials and some of the most important cabinet post are going to be fill by former Clintons.
So was Obama was full of it primary and the Clintons still have ideas that will work in 2008 and beyond and not just the 90s?
But you need experience people in those positions and where do you get them from. You look in all places including Clinton and maybe Bush Administration. Right now, you need the right people in those spots and Obama is doing that.
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Old 2008-11-19, 13:23   Link #5292
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Wow, I cannot believe it. I ate my words so soon too . I really feel that this could be a horrible move for the Democratic Party. If this Presidency crashes and burns, who will be left to head the party if they all become tainted?
form the NYtime and the Wash Post, looks like Hillary is still thinking it over.

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But you need experience people in those positions and where do you get them from. You look in all places including Clinton and maybe Bush Administration. Right now, you need the right people in those spots and Obama is doing that.
i thought you need change, change and change. form the obama supporters it is almost like experience is a liability.


personally i don't really mind since i have absolutely no illusion when i voted for hillary in the primary about what she is. i am just poking fun at the obama supporter who i find a vocal minority who actually do have illusion about voting for a higher cause and all that crap. it is going to be a lot of fun when realty slap those people in the face.
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form the NYtime and the Wash Post, looks like Hillary is still thinking it over.



i thought you need change, change and change. form the obama supporters it is almost like experience is a liability.


personally i don't really mind since i have absolutely no illusion when i voted for hillary in the primary about what she is. i am just poking fun at the obama supporter who i find a vocal minority who actually do have illusion about voting for a higher cause and all that crap. it is going to be a lot of fun when realty slap those people in the face.
Considering that you voted for Hillary Clinton implies that you are an actual American with the right to vote, right? And off you go on to emphasizing how fun it is to poke fun at the Obama Administration, your own country and government, as though it is some sort of joke? Ironic!
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Considering that you voted for Hillary Clinton implies that you are an actual American with the right to vote, right? And off you go on to emphasizing how fun it is to poke fun at the Obama Administration, your own country and government, as though it is some sort of joke? Ironic!
i am not poking fun at obama's admin but at his supporter. However, this is American, it is our duty as citizen to criticize everything our government do We would criticize Mother Teresa and Ghandi if the were Prez and v-prez It is the American Way
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i am not poking fun at obama's admin but at his supporter. However, this is American, it is our duty as citizen to criticize everything our government do We would criticize Mother Teresa and Ghandi if the were Prez and v-prez It is the American Way
Criticizing your leaders when they screw up or try to expert power over the public is American. Screaming fears of "OMG Liberals will ruin America" before the guy even hits office is not. Fear is how those in power keep power when they don't deserve it.
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Old 2008-11-28, 18:14   Link #5296
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i been reading some articles on washpost and nytimes since the elecion and before the election and i notice a lot hate directed at the clintons. Not form the right but form left, what exactly did Clinton do during his 8 year in office that got the left hating that much. Form some of the comments the extreme almost hate clinton as much as they hate bush.

Also form the post election comments it seems like the Obamanites still haven't gotten over the primary. i haven't too many of the clinton supports diss obama, most have been downright supportive yet when the news of Hillary Clinton being name as Sec of State broke. i saw a lot virol in the comments form the Obamanite regarding Hillary. Don't they realize the elction is over and their candidate won? You would thinking from reading some of those comments that Obama had lost the election.
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Old 2008-11-28, 18:37   Link #5297
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Also form the post election comments it seems like the Obamanites still having gotten over the primary. i haven't any of the clinton supports diss obama, most have been downright supportive yet when the news of Hillary Clinton being name as Sec of State broke. i saw a lot virol in the comments form the Obamanite regarding Hillary. Don't they realize the elction is over and their candidate won? You would thinking from reading some of those comments that Obama had lost the election.
Careful there. The problem is, the type of people who comments on news article? Half of them are trolls and the other half have issues. You could just look at the disaster that is politico's comments section for two minutes to see the youtube phenomenon going on there.

Moreover, more reasonable people either go back to their lives or wait for the administration to actually start before giving their 2 cents, leaving the opinion pool...degraded.

Although, more on topic, I think some are just unnerved by how Obama solicits so much of his future administration from those who used to work in the Clinton Administration.
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i been reading some articles on washpost and nytimes since the elecion and before the election and i notice a lot hate directed at the clintons. Not form the right but form left, what exactly did Clinton do during his 8 year in office that got the left hating that much. Form some of the comments the extreme almost hate clinton as much as they hate bush.

Also form the post election comments it seems like the Obamanites still having gotten over the primary. i haven't any of the clinton supports diss obama, most have been downright supportive yet when the news of Hillary Clinton being name as Sec of State broke. i saw a lot virol in the comments form the Obamanite regarding Hillary. Don't they realize the elction is over and their candidate won? You would thinking from reading some of those comments that Obama had lost the election.
Well to summarize, I'll use Wikipedia.

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Bill Clinton as a New Democrat

Bill Clinton was the single Democratic politician of the 1990s most identified with the New Democrats; his promise of welfare reform in the 1992 presidential campaign, and its subsequent enactment, epitomized the New Democrat position, as were his 1992 promise of a middle-class tax cut and his 1993 expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit for the working poor.[4] New Democrat and Third Way successes under Clinton, and the writings of Anthony Giddens, are often regarded to have inspired Tony Blair in the United Kingdom and his moderate policies, which became the New Labour party.[9]

New Democrats were more open to deregulation than the previous Democratic leadership had been. This was especially evident in the large scale deregulation of agriculture and the telecommunications industries. The new democrats and allies on the DLC were responsible for the ratification of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).[10]

An important part of New Democrat ideas is focused on improving the economy. During the administration of Bill Clinton, New Democrats were responsible for passing the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993. It raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers,[11] while cutting taxes on 15 million low-income families and making tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses.[12] Additionally, it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years, through the implementation of spending restraints. This helped oversee the longest peace-time economic expansion in USA history.[13] Overall, the top marginal tax rate was raised from 31% to 40% under the Clinton administration.
As you can see the extreme left would be very pissed off at this type of ideology. Things like the "Don't ask, don't tell policy" were also things that made them angry. They wanted a flat out executive order to integrate the military.

And since Obama has hired Hilary Clinton, it would be very difficult to fire her from her position as it would have major repercussions in his influence in congress. They fear an opposition to Obama within their own party like Bill Clinton had in his presidency.
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Old 2008-12-02, 12:31   Link #5299
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As expected, Obama isn't deviating TOO far from where Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Council has established itself in. Which for me isn't bad, scince I am a moderately liberal independent. I can see how hard left Democrats could be angry, but really demographically a more "european" america wouldn't be feasible with the culture we have today nationally (much more about individualism and enterprise and less faith in centralization/public sector). Obama seems to be picking a good range of centrist non ideologue democrats which will be a welcome change from ideologue hard right republican nonsense.
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http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-12-01-voa37.cfm
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-12-01-voa60.cfm
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-12-01-voa66.cfm

I can't believe it. The Obama Administration actually consists mainly of Obama's old rivals, such as Hillary Clinton and members of the Republican camp. Both Dr. Robert Gates and marine general Jim Jones were supporters of the McCain camp, yet Obama selected a cabinet of rivals. What an unexpected choice! Depending on how Obama makes his moves, there may be internal conflicts soon after the official inauguration. Let's see how the Obama-Clinton administration will turn out.. Will Obama save America from recession or worsen it?
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